Anphorus is right. Read the other posts in this topic. Hollows are created by a person's soul chain being eaten away. So far that is the ONLY way that hollows are known to come into existence. Urahara explained in the episode that the only way for Ichigo to become a Shinigami is to place him in a situation where he might become a Hollow. As a result of that test, Ichigo is in his current state.Originally posted by: Fudgeman
duh, we know that, but the problem is what activated it inside the pit
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
yeh but how is he a hybrid then? with his soul chain doesnt he have to be one or the other?
Well, he was resisting the process of becoming a hollow when he activated his shinigami powers to stop him becomming a hollow. Since Ichigo has hollow abilities it appears that he didn't turn shinigami quick enough and some of the hollow powers remained, turning him into a hybrid.
i doubt that urahara made Ichigo a hollow hybrid deliberately. Te pit method seems to be failry risky (they were ready to kill Ichigo if he turned hollow). I mean, if urahara created the ball-thingy in the first place, he'd probably be capable of making an other one. (Unless he was desperate, for resorces, being isolated from SS. Which, now that I think about it, does make some sense.)
I brought this up in the ep 62 thread, what do y'all think?
Apparently Urahara was an expert (or at least adept) at grafting things to souls. Well I guess we indirectly new this already since we knew about how Rukia got the hougyoku. But I think this strenghtens the idea that Urahara wanted Ichigo to become hollowish. It's not impossible that Urahara "planted" a hollow spirit inside Ichigo and used the pit to awaken it.
And to clearify some things about the transfer:
No one (in this thread at least) has said that the hougyoku actually got transfered to Ichigo. It has been theorized though that it's power somehow might have corrupted the transfer. Or as I said that it might have influenced Ichigo while he was near Rukia. These are just theories though and not very probable.
I think that with the info we have now theories 1, 6 and 4 are most probable, in that order.
I haven't seen a good answer to this question I posted yet.
The hollow Ichigo seems to be very good at fighting and has alot of general knowledge about being a shinigami it seems. I think this fact could be used as a argument for theories which involve reincarnation. Or maybe it just means that the Hollow part is like Zangetsu and travels between hosts.
yea he is, he just has to learn how to control it properly and use both his shinigami and hollow sides in unisen, its just a matter of trainingOriginally posted by: el_boss
@Basey: I would't call Ichigo a perfect hybrid. I mean he can't control his hollow powers at all only surpress them.
it cant be in ichigo because first, she didnt get her powers back, second, aizen just took it out of rukiaOriginally posted by: el_boss
And to clearify some things about the transfer:
No one (in this thread at least) has said that the hougyoku actually got transfered to Ichigo. It has been theorized though that it's power somehow might have corrupted the transfer. Or as I said that it might have influenced Ichigo while he was near Rukia. These are just theories though and not very probable.
...or is it? From what we have seen though it doesn't seem like the hollow part is so keen on cooperating. Unless by control you mean something like Ichigo being able to release the hollow in short bursts or something. According to popular belief we haven't seen anything that indicates that Ichigo gains anything from just having the hollow inside of him. This would mean that the only way for him to utilise the power would be to release the hollow and then seal it again. Or are you actually saying that Ichigo might get 100% control of the hollow as well as it's personality?Originally posted by: basey44
yea he is, he just has to learn how to control it properly and use both his shinigami and hollow sides in unisen, its just a matter of training
@Fudgeman: Yes, I know. That's what I was talking about. That the houkyouku has always been in Rukia but some of it's power might have slipped out. And what does not getting her power back have to do with the hougyoku being inside her? It was because of Uraharas gigai that she didn't regain her strenght.
gigai=hougyoku to me
yes it probly leaked because urahara didnt know 100% how the orb worked, just mostly
gigai=hougyoku? what?Originally posted by: Fudgeman
gigai=hougyoku to me
yes it probly leaked because urahara didnt know 100% how the orb worked, just mostly
the faux body is the same thing as the hollow hybrid making ball thing
No it's not...
God, I can't count how many times this has been said.
The Hougyoku has some ultimately powerful application that wasn't fully explained (though Aizen intends to use it to create a perfect Hollow Hybrid) Urahara thought it was far too dnagerous, and to hide it from Aizen (how Urahara saw through the 'ultimate' hypnosis is beyond me) he put it inside Rukia; then when she traveled to the Huam nrealm he offered her a special Gigai to supress her powers and make her very difficult to find.
I guess it didn't work, since that lazy Special forces guy and Renji both found her really easily so... yeah.
Note, Urahara also uses the same Gigai to hide in his little shop thing, so I don't understadn why people think it turns you into a human.
Because Aizen said so (maybe it was only in the manga though). And I think that Urahara has some other kind of gigai. He is a genious inventor after all.Originally posted by: Kovash
Note, Urahara also uses the same Gigai to hide in his little shop thing, so I don't understadn why people think it turns you into a human.
He didn't hide it from Aizen specifically he just hid it away from anyone who might misuse it, either then or in the future.Originally posted by: Kovash
The Hougyoku has some ultimately powerful application that wasn't fully explained (though Aizen intends to use it to create a perfect Hollow Hybrid) Urahara thought it was far too dnagerous, and to hide it from Aizen (how Urahara saw through the 'ultimate' hypnosis is beyond me) he put it inside Rukia; then when she traveled to the Huam nrealm he offered her a special Gigai to supress her powers and make her very difficult to find.
I too think that Urahara uses another type of Gigai, maybe even a normal one. It's been suggested (and even overtly stated by Tousen in fox-dude's flashback in ep 62) that Shinigami can supress their spirit force to avoid detection. I think either:Originally posted by: el_boss
Because Aizen said so (maybe it was only in the manga though). And I think that Urahara has some other kind of gigai. He is a genious inventor after all.Originally posted by: Kovash
Note, Urahara also uses the same Gigai to hide in his little shop thing, so I don't understadn why people think it turns you into a human.
1) Urahara suppressed his spirit force to avoid detection;
2) He invented some kind of device to hide his power from SS, or;
3) SS know he's been banished and Aizen knows he doesn't have the Hougyoku, so even if they do know where he is, why should they care?
The reason he used the Special Gigai on Rukia was that she didn't know she had the Hougyoku, so she didn't know she had to suppress her powers to avoid detection; and that Urahara wanted to make sure she could never return to SS where she might be discovered, so wanted to permenantly remove her powers.
they are two totally different things..Originally posted by: Fudgeman
the faux body is the same thing as the hollow hybrid making ball thing
no im just saying that <u>I</u> just think of them that way untill aizen removed the hougyokuOriginally posted by: mage
they are two totally different things..Originally posted by: Fudgeman
the faux body is the same thing as the hollow hybrid making ball thing
Edit=forget it, its not important
why would urahara need to hide himself at all? he was banned from SS, so why would anyone actually come looking for him?
I think urahara actually wants the shinigami to know where he is, incase they every need something while in the human world. How else would rukia know about him and his shop in the first few eps? she not some highranking officer that would be associated with urahara, or anyhting like that, so theres no reason for her to know him from before.
Not to mention the fact the urahara even has a shop. Who do u think hes creating/getting these items for, himself? Its seems pretty obvious to me that urahara wants shinigami to come to him if they need help. Him being a good guy, he probably wants to do whatever he can to follow the shinigami cause despite being banned from SS. He mite even be hoping that his actions will eventually get the higher ups to lift the ban so he can return home.
I agree with most of your statements...
But apparently Urahara went looking for Rukia, not the other way around...
Urahara just probly made contact with rukia, and she didnt know he used to be a shinigami because shes not high ranked enough for that info. this was probly before ep.1, so she just knew where he was when she happened to need something
@Assassin: I was under the impression that Urahara hid himself so that no one would come to him in search of the hougyoku.
Urahara what was happening behind the "curtain" in soul society. Urahara had found another way to become a hybrid (shinigami-hollow) besides the thingy in Rukia's soul which Aizen took. Urahara did this because he believes that Ichigo has the ability to control hollow inside and save soul society.
sorry if this was posted earlier i didnt check
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