Bleach 61

[el_boss]

Originally posted by: naruto22
5) Aizen decides that he can't afford to mess with Unohana since he needs to get the Hogyoku from Rukia ASAP. So he delays Unohana with the story and waits for Tosen to capture Rukia. Then get the hell out of there rather than get into a messy fight with Unohana.

i go with point 5. But for some reason, everybody is so set in their minds that nothing in 4th Squad can be powerful, even their captains.

Well, here's another food for thought: who is a better killer? a soldier or a doctor?

A soldier obviously.

I'm gonna go with my theory of Unohana being with Aizen (or at least manipulated by him), anything else would be a plot device as Terra put it, in which case it would ruin Bleach's excellent reputation.

Why would Aizen bother to attack Hina and Hits and the just let Uno and Kotetsu live to heal them and warn everyone?

If he didn't want to waste time, then why did he stand there talking about his plan with Uno? He could have used that time to kill them.

If he was afraid of Uno's strenght, then yet again why did he spill his guts? He could have just teleported out of there.

[anphorus]

I think the answer could just be that Aizen is a totally arrogant bastard.

Everything we've seen of him indicates that his is very full of himself. It could be that he only attacked Hitsugaya because he was provoked (indeed, we've never actually seen him attack anyone who didn't attack him first (except Hinamori, who he killed out of pity). He only attacked Renji after he refused to give Rukia to Aizen, before that it looked like he was willing to let him go).

Maybe he just thought that killing Unohana was beneath him, or wasn't worth his time.

[el_boss]

Originally posted by: anphorus
I think the answer could just be that Aizen is a totally arrogant bastard.

Everything we've seen of him indicates that his is very full of himself. It could be that he only attacked Hitsugaya because he was provoked (indeed, we've never actually seen him attack anyone who didn't attack him first (except Hinamori, who he killed out of pity). He only attacked Renji after he refused to give Rukia to Aizen, before that it looked like he was willing to let him go).

Maybe he just thought that killing Unohana was beneath him, or wasn't worth his time.

Everything in Aizen's plan has been meticulously planned, then why would he let something like this ruin everything.

And I would say that Aizen provoked Hits.

[Dezalanel]

How is his plan being ruined? Do you realize that it does NOT matter how many people there are on the hill he can still escape. Anphorus has it right, Aizen is just completely arrogant and rightly so. He could care less how many people attack him he can kill them easily.

[Vegechan]

First and foremost, I thought the Manga shots were pretty clear, Urahara put the Hollow/Shinigami orb in Rukia before the gigia was even in question. Why did he choose her? I doubt Aizen would know that, and only Urahara does. In due time I'm sure we'll learn why he chose her.

Secondly, we need to look back at the oringal transfer of Rukia's power to Ichigo. We all assumed that Ichigo's natural spirit ability (which still is unexplained as to why he had such power. I'm guessing someone in his family has a history of it. I'm going to guess his mother because his father seems absolutely clueless to the spirit world.) was way he was so strong as a temporary Shinigami, and why he took all of Rukia's power when she only inteded on giving him a small portion of it. But what if, her transfering the power over was how the orb makes someone a hybrid hollow/shinigami?

Aizen talked about the incredible strength gained by this hybrid form. Right from the start, with his giant sword, Ichigo was powerful. So powerful resitsu leaked out of him, giving the ones closest to him, Inoue and Chad, powers of their own (I believe that's how Urahara explained it.) So powerful, that he scared that uber hollow. The only problem with this insane amount of power, was that he can't control it.

Now, I also want to bring your attention to a few other things. Hollow Ichigo has only intervined when Ichigo was about to die, which in turn. kill him. He took over in the Byakuya fight, had the mask stop a critical hit, and one other important time (at least by my theory.)

I believe, Ichigo, from the moment Rukia transfered her powers to him, was a shinigami/hallow hybrid. I don't think the orb transfered to him, but I believe the act of transfering the powers activated it and did it's thing. I also think Urahara knew this. When he threw Ichigo into the pit, I don't think Ichigo himself could have gotten out by himself. The reason Ichigo had the mask one and looked like a hallow? Because before Ichigo died, the Hallow came out, just like in the Byakuya fight, and made Ichigo escape, saving Ichigo, and himself.

[XanBcoo]

@Vegechan: None of your evidence points to the fact that Ichigo has got his hollow powers from Rukia.

We know how Ichigo came out of the pit, and it wasn't because of a Hollow, it was because he tapped into the shinigami powers and was able to escape (though being halfway turned in to a hollow). Ichigo has had a strange amount of strength from the start, but nowhere before the pit incident did it ever hint that he had a hollow inside him. Hell, he wasn't even that strong compared to Byakuya and Renji when they first showed up.

[el_boss]

Originally posted by: Dezalanel
How is his plan being ruined? Do you realize that it does NOT matter how many people there are on the hill he can still escape. Anphorus has it right, Aizen is just completely arrogant and rightly so. He could care less how many people attack him he can kill them easily.

I did not say that it was ruined. I said that he would not let something like this ruin his plan because he has taken every single detail in account.

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: Vegechan
First and foremost, I thought the Manga shots were pretty clear, Urahara put the Hollow/Shinigami orb in Rukia before the gigia was even in question. Why did he choose her? I doubt Aizen would know that, and only Urahara does. In due time I'm sure we'll learn why he chose her.

Secondly, we need to look back at the oringal transfer of Rukia's power to Ichigo. We all assumed that Ichigo's natural spirit ability (which still is unexplained as to why he had such power. I'm guessing someone in his family has a history of it. I'm going to guess his mother because his father seems absolutely clueless to the spirit world.) was way he was so strong as a temporary Shinigami, and why he took all of Rukia's power when she only inteded on giving him a small portion of it. But what if, her transfering the power over was how the orb makes someone a hybrid hollow/shinigami?

Aizen talked about the incredible strength gained by this hybrid form. Right from the start, with his giant sword, Ichigo was powerful. So powerful resitsu leaked out of him, giving the ones closest to him, Inoue and Chad, powers of their own (I believe that's how Urahara explained it.) So powerful, that he scared that uber hollow. The only problem with this insane amount of power, was that he can't control it.

Now, I also want to bring your attention to a few other things. Hollow Ichigo has only intervined when Ichigo was about to die, which in turn. kill him. He took over in the Byakuya fight, had the mask stop a critical hit, and one other important time (at least by my theory.)

I believe, Ichigo, from the moment Rukia transfered her powers to him, was a shinigami/hallow hybrid. I don't think the orb transfered to him, but I believe the act of transfering the powers activated it and did it's thing. I also think Urahara knew this. When he threw Ichigo into the pit, I don't think Ichigo himself could have gotten out by himself. The reason Ichigo had the mask one and looked like a hallow? Because before Ichigo died, the Hallow came out, just like in the Byakuya fight, and made Ichigo escape, saving Ichigo, and himself.

Your theory is the only that makes sense in this 7 pages long thread.

I like it better than lets say Ichigo got his powers from his mother or something other as stupid.


There is only one problem with your theory he could already see spirits from the start which normal humans cant and Inoue and Chad started seeing only after they got affected by his spirit power.

[masamuneehs]

I feel like Ichigo had to have gotten some of his powers from his mom. His dad has no abilities whatsoever, yet Ichigo, Karian and Suzu (his sisters) all have some kind of special relation with spirits.

I'm also still one of those "Ichigo is some kind of reincarnation of Kaien Kukaku" believers. The similair appearances, attitudes, along with the fact that both are the only confirmed Hollow/Shinigami hybrids that we know of really make me think Ichigo and Kaien have some connection.

How Urahara knows this (if he knows it), why Rukia was selected (if there is any special reason that it was her) to hide the Crumbling Treasure Ball in, how Aizen got that information are still all very mysterious to me.

[ChaosK]

i feel that ichigo's powers are all his own and the orb is in rukia.

from before ichigo met rukia he had immense spirit power already, the fact that rukia came in has nothing to do with it, ichigo is turning hollow becuase he almsot become full hollow once, and also during the fight against kenpachi ichigo's little sub-fight against hollow ichigo inside himself proved that the hollow is still inside ichigo, was this hollow around at all during training? or before? nope, ichigo got it after turning almost hollow.

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: masamuneehs
I feel like Ichigo had to have gotten some of his powers from his mom. His dad has no abilities whatsoever, yet Ichigo, Karian and Suzu (his sisters) all have some kind of special relation with spirits.

I'm also still one of those "Ichigo is some kind of reincarnation of Kaien Kukaku" believers. The similair appearances, attitudes, along with the fact that both are the only confirmed Hollow/Shinigami hybrids that we know of really make me think Ichigo and Kaien have some connection.

How Urahara knows this (if he knows it), why Rukia was selected (if there is any special reason that it was her) to hide the Crumbling Treasure Ball in, how Aizen got that information are still all very mysterious to me.

I like Kaien theory it doesnt sound lame like he got from his mother and it isnt impossible it can be that way.

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: Hakeem_21
Your theory is the only that makes sense in this 7 pages long thread.

I like it better than lets say Ichigo got his powers from his mother or something other as stupid.

Vegechan was the one who said Ichigo might have gotten his powers from his mom. In any case, why is that such a stupid idea? Ichigo was innately gifted before his encounter with Rukia, he could see spiritual beings and use his reiatsu to some extent (breaking the barrier Rukia put on him). It's logical to assume that it had to come from somewhere, and so far the only sources I can think of are his mother, or Kaien. I too beleive he has some connection to Kaien (possible reincarnation), but I think the two's hollows are completely unrelated. Kaien's spiritual body was infected with the Jiraiya-hollow and Ichigo has his own from the pit incident. It was discussed in another thread that Kaien died in SS and could have been reincarnated as Ichigo. I think that's a pretty strong theory concerning where Ichigo gets his natural power, but we can't really rule his mom out b/c we really know nothing about her.

I disagree with Vegechan that Rukia transferred the hollow powers to him in episode 1. There is pretty much no proof, and I think Ichigo got his Hollow from the pit. That seems to be the most reasonable explanation.

[Munsu]

I wouldn't call it stupid... But seeing as his mother got killed by a crappy hollow like Gran Fisher leads me to believe that she had no Shinigami powers...

I'm gonna go with the theory that Ichigo is simply a freak of nature...

[KoKo37]

well personly he got some sort of powers from his mothers because even if he was a reincarnation of Kaien his sisters got powers as well, however i dont believe he got any hollow or deathgod powers from his mom. Personly i think he got the hollow powers from Rukia and maybe that hollow that attacked ichigo and rukia in the first espisode was one of those ones that are extremely hard to sense ( i know she said ichigos powers was blocking her from sensing it, but i think it was also one of the ones Urahara made ), also i agree with Vegechan that the orb itself wasn't transferd just some of its powers. The Urahara hole theory i dont really buy because i would think that would be to easy, like if someone has very high will power and is about to become hollow does that mean he wont become one and will end up only becoming half hollow? well anyways im sticking with the Rukia theroy XD, though most of the time my theroys end up being wrong [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]

[anphorus]

It seems that spiritual powers in humans is quite rare. Aside from Ichigo (and his family, which I think may have been caused by Ichigo's spirit leakage. I think it's possible this still happened when he was young, just at a much slower rate which would require long term exposure. Or his mother, even but that only further proves my point), Don Kanoji is the only other human with natural any spirit power we've seen. (And he was pretty weak, and quite famous because of it). So even if Ichigo is a reincarnation of Kaien, that doesn't mean that that has anything to do with his awesome strength; otherwise there'd be a whole bunch of reincarnated shinigami's walking around with insane spirit levels.

Kaien didn't seem like anything special, and yet Ichigo has awesome power. There's nothing to suggest that any reincarnated captains or vice captains had any significant spirit power (while they were still alive at least). If Ichigo got so powerful (even more powerful than Kaien was apparently) just from Kaien's power even normal shingami reincarnation would cause a noteable number of people with high spirit levels.

[darkmetal505]

reincarnation? theres a obvious reason, but if I posted, it would be a spoiler.

[anphorus]

Originally posted by: darkmetal505
reincarnation? theres a obvious reason, but if I posted, it would be a spoiler.

Then why even bother posting?

Now youv'e just ruined the speculation for the rest of us. For shame, darkmetal! [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

[Phoenix20578]

I agree with Bud. Ichigo is probably just a freak of nature.

[KoKo37]

Originally posted by: darkmetal505
reincarnation? theres a obvious reason, but if I posted, it would be a spoiler.

that reason better have not only been in the manga -.-"

[Assertn]

damn, darkmetal505 and all the other manga prophets are so elite......
I mean, only someone as clever as him could've devised a plan to DOWNLOAD RAR FILES from bleach7.com