But she doesn't have any shinigami powers, right? Are they going to grow back as well?Originally posted by: Budweineken
Well if she dies... I doubt it...
And seeing as how she is in Soul Society at the moment, she was not transformed into a human, so if she survives, I guess she could make some sort of recovery since she is no longer inside the gigai that prevented it...
Man, it would suck if she didn't get her powers back. I'm hoping for great comedy episodes of Ichigo-taichou "teaching" Rukia-fuku taichou to use her zanpaktou...
Are you not understanding what the gigai did? It prevented her from regaining her shingami powers now with it gone she SHOULD recover them fully. That is of course if she survives this ordeal.
I recall Rukia saying in episode 1 that Ichigo took all of her powers when she just wanted give him a portion. It seems a little wierd that shinigamis can go around making everyone else into shinigamis without losing their powers (maybe that's why it's forbidden though). And didn't the gigai prevent her from regaining her strenght? I wasn't aware that strenght is = shinigami power. I tought they just meant her strenght in general. I don't think they actually have said that a real gigai helps them regain their shinigami powers after bestowing them upon someone else.Originally posted by: Dezalanel
Are you not understanding what the gigai did? It prevented her from regaining her shingami powers now with it gone she SHOULD recover them fully. That is of course if she survives this ordeal.
Rukia was using demon magic and was puzzled why it was so weak and wasn't getting stronger as time passed. I don't think demon magic falls in with general strenght.Originally posted by: el_boss
And didn't the gigai prevent her from regaining her strenght? I wasn't aware that strenght is = shinigami power. I tought they just meant her strenght in general. I don't think they actually have said that a real gigai helps them regain their shinigami powers after bestowing them upon someone else.
Do you need to be a shinigami to be able to do demon magic? Shoudn't it be enough to have spirit power and the knowledge of how to do it?Originally posted by: Kraco
Rukia was using demon magic and was puzzled why it was so weak and wasn't getting stronger as time passed. I don't think demon magic falls in with general strenght.
I said it earlier: wouldn't this imply that they could go and make shinigamis all over the place. I mean Aizen could create a shit load of shinigamis and make them his subordinates.Originally posted by: DarthEnder
Basically, what my understanding was that, Rukia gave Ichigo her powers. After awhile those powers would come back to her on her own.
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And, it seems pretty clear from Aizen's explanation that Rukia will NOT regain her powers, as the Gigai that Urahara gave her is supposed to suck away all remaining power and thus conceal the wearer from Soul Society's eye.
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Hrm but did she completly lose all her powers? She was still able to cast demon arts (rather weak ones) on some hollows which leads me to believe she didn't fully lose EVERYTHING. Who knows, but if Aizen obliterates her (seeing how the thing he's after is INSIDE her) then she won't have to worry about gainin back her power anyhow ....Originally posted by: masamuneehs
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And, it seems pretty clear from Aizen's explanation that Rukia will NOT regain her powers, as the Gigai that Urahara gave her is supposed to suck away all remaining power and thus conceal the wearer from Soul Society's eye.
We don't know if she can get her powers back yet, just that if she remained in the gigai for a long enough period, she would. It's not clear if she was in it long enough.
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Basically, what my understanding was that, Rukia gave Ichigo her powers. After awhile those powers would come back to her on her own. But the "gigai" or human form that Urahara gave her prevented her from doing that, and would instead take away all the rest of her power until she was a normal human.
I think she's still wearing the gigai also. After all, the others are able to be in SS in human form, so unless they peeled her out of it she's probably still wearing it.
Well im sure they would have noticed that she had a gigai on her or something. I think its the device thats preventing her power from returning.Originally posted by: DarthEnder
Basically, what my understanding was that, Rukia gave Ichigo her powers. After awhile those powers would come back to her on her own. But the "gigai" or human form that Urahara gave her prevented her from doing that, and would instead take away all the rest of her power until she was a normal human.
I think she's still wearing the gigai also. After all, the others are able to be in SS in human form, so unless they peeled her out of it she's probably still wearing it.
Shinigamis don't go around doing that because it's illegal in Soul Society...
Technically Aizen would be able to, but it would take a shitload of time... And we don't know if it will affect all people like it did to Ichigo... Probably if the same thing was done to someone else he would've ended up being a shitty ass shinigami, so why bother?
And to answer you question about gigais...
Gigais usually help shinigamis recover their spiritual power, they are made up with spiritrons (or whatever they are)... The gigai that was placed on rukia didn't posses this, rather it was made of something (unknown to us) that aborbed her spiritual power, trying to transform her into a human being...
From what I can see since she is in soul society, she didn't go through the transformation so she should still be capable of recovering her lost spiritual powers (I'm not sure about this though, I don't really understand what they are trying to say when they say "to make her human")...
And you are misunderstanding the point he was trying to make with demon arts, He was merely stating that her demon magic was so weak because the gigai was preventing her from recovering her spiritual powers...
@DarthEnder, there was something important that was ommited in the anime from the manga... This should've happened right after Rukia was taken to Soul Society...
Some investigators found and examined Rukia's gigai and commented on something along the lines of "Wow, I've never since a gigai like this before... Whomever did it must've been very talented..." Of course, you can tie up this with whatever we have just learned from Urahara in this episode...
I think someone else mentioned this earlier in this thread... maybe someone can post the pics to what I'm reffering to if I haven't done so already...
@Bud: With all that said, I still don't think it makes any sence that she could get her own powers back, but she might be able to start from scratch and aquire all new powers. Obviously I know that created shinigamis don't get as strong as Ichigo, but then again Rukia was rather weak to begin with. If your as strong as Aizen you probably get strong spawn. Regarding the gigai: spiritual power isn't = shinigami power. Even Ichigo's little sisters have spiritual power.
There's a lot I would like to argue from your post since most of it doesn't make sense to me, but I'll go with this...
What in my entire post makes you think that it doesn't make sense for Rukia to regain her spiritual powers?
What really doesn't make sense is your reasoning on a "strong spawn"...
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I didn't mean that your post doesn't make sence. I just meant in general, the fact that she would be able to regain her "old" shinigami powers doesn't make sence. I know it's not the same thing, but it would be like Ichigo being able to regain the powers he got from Rukia instead of unlocking his own. It just seems stupid that she would be able to give all of her power to Ichigo (including her zanpaktou, right?) and then they get destroyed and then they just grow back.Originally posted by: Budweineken
There's a lot I would like to argue from your post since most of it doesn't make sense to me, but I'll go with this...
What in my entire post makes you think that it doesn't make sense for Rukia to regain her spiritual powers?
Let me just make something clear. I'm actually not arguing aginst if Rukia will get her powers back. I just think it would be really stupid and just an easy solution to get Rukia back into the game. You might be right though, but I've come to expect more from a show like Bleach. I'm just theorising, obviously I don't know what will happen.
Edit: Why doesn't the strong spawn make sence?
I'll put my hands up...
But what can I do...
Rukia's spirit whatever (what was destroyed from Ichigo) is not destroyed, so she still possesses her spiritual powers... What the gigai did was absorbed any spiritual power that was created from Rukia in order to recuperate... So with the absense of this gigai, I still don't know what makes you think that her powers can't finally be restored? Rukia's powers don't reside inside Ichigo by the way... She doesn't have to get her powers back from him if that's what's confusing you...
About the strong spawn thing...
There's just no correlation with Ichigo being strong and Rukia being weak... and Aizen being strong being able to create a "strong pawn"...
I don't see what Rukia being weak has anything to do with what you are alluding, since Ichigo himself got his powers from Rukia (weak Rukia at that) and still is one strong mofo...
It's not that I don't believe that she can't get her powers back per sey. I just feel that there should be some other negative side than just being punished by SS. That would mean as I said before even if it takes alot of time someone that doesn't care what SS says could go around making shinigamis. But maybe it will be as you said, that they will be weak, but there hasn't been anything that has said that they will.Originally posted by: Budweineken
Rukia's spirit whatever (what was destroyed from Ichigo) is not destroyed, so she still possesses her spiritual powers... What the gigai did was absorbed any spiritual power that was created from Rukia in order to recuperate... So with the absense of this gigai, I still don't know what makes you think that her powers can't finally be restored? Rukia's powers don't reside inside Ichigo by the way... She doesn't have to get her powers back from him if that's what's confusing you...
The thing is that what made her inital situation in the show special, was that it felt like a sacrifice that she gave her powers to Ichigo. But if the powers would just grow back, that whole part of the show would have been unnecessary somehow. It raises some questions for me at least, which you might be able to answer. If the powers are that easy to regain, why did she stay on earth? Seems that she just as well could have gone to SS, it's rather wierd if shinigamis have to be on earth to regain their powers. If she was afraid that she would get punished if she returned, then did she plan on staying on earth forever? If so why did she care if she regained her powers at all.
It's not really logical that a weak shinigami would create a strong one, normally. But obviously there is something special about Ichigo or Rukia that lead to Ichigo becoming abnormaly strong even with just Rukia's powers. One reason I can think of is that Ichigo has had the hollow thing all along and it allowed him to excede Rukias limits.About the strong spawn thing...
There's just no correlation with Ichigo being strong and Rukia being weak... and Aizen being strong being able to create a "strong pawn"...
I don't see what Rukia being weak has anything to do with what you are alluding, since Ichigo himself got his powers from Rukia (weak Rukia at that) and still is one strong mofo...
So what I'm saying is that a strong shinigami should logically get a strong "spawn" or whatever you want to call it, since he/she has more reiatsu to work with. Well we have only seen one shinigami creation so anything could be possible I guess, it could even be random for all we know, but that would be wierd.
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From what I heard and understood, the two cases in point are this: Some think that Rukia's powers are FOREVER lost by Urahara's special Gigai. Other's think that her powers are only TEMPORARILY lost.
As for the "Creating other Shinigami by giving your power to others"
It is quite obviously against the rules. Obviosly someone could ignore them.
BUT, as of this point we have NO IDEA whether powers (once given) can ever return.
IF such transfered powers CAN return in time, then Boss has a point, someone could make an army of Shinigami that way.
IF such transfered powers CANNOT return in time, then Rukia will not get stronger ever (since Ichigo took almost all of her powers)
However, Rukia's transfering her powers to Ichigo was still quite a big deal. Think of it this way: They just met. Ichigo tried to help her fight the Hollow. Rukia is losing. She TRUSTS this stranger to help her, totally ignoring the rules of SS. Being raised by Byakuya, I'd think she'd be prepared to die rather than break the rules, in most cases. But obviously something about Ichigo (KAien) made her want to break the rules and save him and his family, thus giving the powers.
As for the "Spawn" issue.
I'm sorta confused here too... Do you mean like an initial return point of powers (say, after a completley draining fight or after transfering powers) where one's Reiatsu would return to?
Also, if Ichigo's example serves us at all, it shows that a great deal of the amount of powers transfered can depend on the person receiving the powers. Thus, ANY Shinigami transferring their powers would be hard-pressed to calculate what their Reiatsu/Power level would be like immediatley after the transfer. Also, recuperation and the question of IF all powers can return after a transfer are still quite up in the air. It seems quite risky for even Aizen to go about creating Shinigami in this way.
EDIT: And I'm not saying that my opinion isn't any better or worse than anyone elses. I just feel like this conversation needs some fresh blood in it... (perhaps we just need to wait until 62...)
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