Bleach 61

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: masamuneehs
I feel like Ichigo had to have gotten some of his powers from his mom. His dad has no abilities whatsoever, yet Ichigo, Karian and Suzu (his sisters) all have some kind of special relation with spirits.

I'm also still one of those "Ichigo is some kind of reincarnation of Kaien Kukaku" believers. The similair appearances, attitudes, along with the fact that both are the only confirmed Hollow/Shinigami hybrids that we know of really make me think Ichigo and Kaien have some connection.

How Urahara knows this (if he knows it), why Rukia was selected (if there is any special reason that it was her) to hide the Crumbling Treasure Ball in, how Aizen got that information are still all very mysterious to me.

I like Kaien theory it doesnt sound lame like he got from his mother and it isnt impossible it can be that way.

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[Ban Kai]

Originally posted by: masamuneehs
I feel like Ichigo had to have gotten some of his powers from his mom. His dad has no abilities whatsoever, yet Ichigo, Karian and Suzu (his sisters) all have some kind of special relation with spirits.

I'm also still one of those "Ichigo is some kind of reincarnation of Kaien Kukaku" believers. The similair appearances, attitudes, along with the fact that both are the only confirmed Hollow/Shinigami hybrids that we know of really make me think Ichigo and Kaien have some connection.

How Urahara knows this (if he knows it), why Rukia was selected (if there is any special reason that it was her) to hide the Crumbling Treasure Ball in, how Aizen got that information are still all very mysterious to me.

If his mother had a lot of spirit power then wouldn't she have kicked Grand Fisher's @$$? I mean even Ichigo with his crappy unknown named sword beat Grand Fisher. I think his mom would be able to if she knew about spirit world like that. I don't think she would have died so easily. And I don't think she saw that girl too, so yeah ~.~.

[aznimperialx]

Originally posted by: Ban Kai

Originally posted by: masamuneehs
I feel like Ichigo had to have gotten some of his powers from his mom. His dad has no abilities whatsoever, yet Ichigo, Karian and Suzu (his sisters) all have some kind of special relation with spirits.

I'm also still one of those "Ichigo is some kind of reincarnation of Kaien Kukaku" believers. The similair appearances, attitudes, along with the fact that both are the only confirmed Hollow/Shinigami hybrids that we know of really make me think Ichigo and Kaien have some connection.

How Urahara knows this (if he knows it), why Rukia was selected (if there is any special reason that it was her) to hide the Crumbling Treasure Ball in, how Aizen got that information are still all very mysterious to me.

If his mother had a lot of spirit power then wouldn't she have kicked Grand Fisher's @$$? I mean even Ichigo with his crappy unknown named sword beat Grand Fisher. I think his mom would be able to if she knew about spirit world like that. I don't think she would have died so easily. And I don't think she saw that girl too, so yeah ~.~.

she didn't see the girl, only saw ichigo

[Ban Kai]

Originally posted by: aznimperialx

Originally posted by: Ban Kai

Originally posted by: masamuneehs
I feel like Ichigo had to have gotten some of his powers from his mom. His dad has no abilities whatsoever, yet Ichigo, Karian and Suzu (his sisters) all have some kind of special relation with spirits.

I'm also still one of those "Ichigo is some kind of reincarnation of Kaien Kukaku" believers. The similair appearances, attitudes, along with the fact that both are the only confirmed Hollow/Shinigami hybrids that we know of really make me think Ichigo and Kaien have some connection.

How Urahara knows this (if he knows it), why Rukia was selected (if there is any special reason that it was her) to hide the Crumbling Treasure Ball in, how Aizen got that information are still all very mysterious to me.

If his mother had a lot of spirit power then wouldn't she have kicked Grand Fisher's @$$? I mean even Ichigo with his crappy unknown named sword beat Grand Fisher. I think his mom would be able to if she knew about spirit world like that. I don't think she would have died so easily. And I don't think she saw that girl too, so yeah ~.~.

she didn't see the girl, only saw ichigo

Yeah so if she didn't see the girl then she doesn't have high spirit power, so she couldn't have passed on any spirit power to Ichigo, and his sisters.

[darkmetal505]

Ichigo's spirit power doesnt have to derive from his parents... maybe he pulled it out of the wazoo...

[ChaosK]

i feel that ichigo's powers are all his own and the orb is in rukia.

from before ichigo met rukia he had immense spirit power already, the fact that rukia came in has nothing to do with it, ichigo is turning hollow becuase he almsot become full hollow once, and also during the fight against kenpachi ichigo's little sub-fight against hollow ichigo inside himself proved that the hollow is still inside ichigo, was this hollow around at all during training? or before? nope, ichigo got it after turning almost hollow.

[Munsu]

I wouldn't call it stupid... But seeing as his mother got killed by a crappy hollow like Gran Fisher leads me to believe that she had no Shinigami powers...

I'm gonna go with the theory that Ichigo is simply a freak of nature...

[KoKo37]

well personly he got some sort of powers from his mothers because even if he was a reincarnation of Kaien his sisters got powers as well, however i dont believe he got any hollow or deathgod powers from his mom. Personly i think he got the hollow powers from Rukia and maybe that hollow that attacked ichigo and rukia in the first espisode was one of those ones that are extremely hard to sense ( i know she said ichigos powers was blocking her from sensing it, but i think it was also one of the ones Urahara made ), also i agree with Vegechan that the orb itself wasn't transferd just some of its powers. The Urahara hole theory i dont really buy because i would think that would be to easy, like if someone has very high will power and is about to become hollow does that mean he wont become one and will end up only becoming half hollow? well anyways im sticking with the Rukia theroy XD, though most of the time my theroys end up being wrong [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]

[anphorus]

It seems that spiritual powers in humans is quite rare. Aside from Ichigo (and his family, which I think may have been caused by Ichigo's spirit leakage. I think it's possible this still happened when he was young, just at a much slower rate which would require long term exposure. Or his mother, even but that only further proves my point), Don Kanoji is the only other human with natural any spirit power we've seen. (And he was pretty weak, and quite famous because of it). So even if Ichigo is a reincarnation of Kaien, that doesn't mean that that has anything to do with his awesome strength; otherwise there'd be a whole bunch of reincarnated shinigami's walking around with insane spirit levels.

Kaien didn't seem like anything special, and yet Ichigo has awesome power. There's nothing to suggest that any reincarnated captains or vice captains had any significant spirit power (while they were still alive at least). If Ichigo got so powerful (even more powerful than Kaien was apparently) just from Kaien's power even normal shingami reincarnation would cause a noteable number of people with high spirit levels.

[darkmetal505]

reincarnation? theres a obvious reason, but if I posted, it would be a spoiler.

[anphorus]

Originally posted by: darkmetal505
reincarnation? theres a obvious reason, but if I posted, it would be a spoiler.

Then why even bother posting?

Now youv'e just ruined the speculation for the rest of us. For shame, darkmetal! [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

[KoKo37]

Originally posted by: darkmetal505
reincarnation? theres a obvious reason, but if I posted, it would be a spoiler.

that reason better have not only been in the manga -.-"

[Oolite]

Originally posted by: darkmetal505
reincarnation? theres a obvious reason, but if I posted, it would be a spoiler.

Yes, some people think too much. They just ignored the obvious.

Use Occam's Razor.

His sisters also has the power, genetics or just all freaks?

I take the simplest solution, but then I could be wrong.

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: KoKo37
well personly he got some sort of powers from his mothers because even if he was a reincarnation of Kaien his sisters got powers as well, however i dont believe he got any hollow or deathgod powers from his mom.

This part I agree with. However...

Personly i think he got the hollow powers from Rukia and maybe that hollow that attacked ichigo and rukia in the first espisode was one of those ones that are extremely hard to sense ( i know she said ichigos powers was blocking her from sensing it, but i think it was also one of the ones Urahara made ), also i agree with Vegechan that the orb itself wasn't transferd just some of its powers. The Urahara hole theory i dont really buy because i would think that would be to easy, like if someone has very high will power and is about to become hollow does that mean he wont become one and will end up only becoming half hollow? well anyways im sticking with the Rukia theroy XD, though most of the time my theroys end up being wrong

I'm still waiting for a good "Ichigo got hollow powers from Rukia" explanation. First of all, what does the hollow in the first ep have to do with anything? And since when did Urahara make hollows?? Those two points confused me.

Second, Ichigo got his powers from the pit, because as Zangetsu himself said, Ichigo has his own shinigami powers that Byakuya didn't sense (making Ichigo special regardless of Rukia, possibly due to his being Kaien's reincarnation). Byakuya only assumed he had the power Rukia gave him, and took that away. He was then told to find his own powers among all those boxes. He did so as he was transforming into a hollow, thus his current condition. Again, there was no evidence to show that Ichigo had Hollow-shinigami hybrid powers before the pit incident.

As for Ichigo's enormous strength. I agree with anphorus. It probably doesn't only come from Kaien, because every shingami death in SS would result in people with high spirit powers. Maybe his innate strength is just "main character aura"? I'm curious now.

[KoKo37]

Originally posted by: XanBcoo

Originally posted by: KoKo37
well personly he got some sort of powers from his mothers because even if he was a reincarnation of Kaien his sisters got powers as well, however i dont believe he got any hollow or deathgod powers from his mom.

This part I agree with. However,

Personly i think he got the hollow powers from Rukia and maybe that hollow that attacked ichigo and rukia in the first espisode was one of those ones that are extremely hard to sense ( i know she said ichigos powers was blocking her from sensing it, but i think it was also one of the ones Urahara made ), also i agree with Vegechan that the orb itself wasn't transferd just some of its powers. The Urahara hole theory i dont really buy because i would think that would be to easy, like if someone has very high will power and is about to become hollow does that mean he wont become one and will end up only becoming half hollow? well anyways im sticking with the Rukia theroy XD, though most of the time my theroys end up being wrong

I'm still waiting for a good "Ichigo got hollow powers from Rukia" explanation. First of all, what does the hollow in the first ep have to do with anything? And since when did Urahara make hollows?? Those two points confused me.

whoops my bad, i thought it said that both Aizen and Urahara created those hollows, though Urarara could of created them if he wanted XD, though i take back that part but i still think he got his powers from Rukia but its just my theroy >: )

[Assassin]

well its great that you have a theory, but theres nothing to back up your theory. Provide some solid evidence, not assumptions.

[Phoenix20578]

I agree with Bud. Ichigo is probably just a freak of nature.