Aizen didn't know about the fact that all the captains received the message
Aizen didn't know about the fact that all the captains received the message
kick butt episode, I liked fox-man's entrance near the end. Aizen's plan was well thought out.
7th captain made a great entrance
Since he wanted whomever had the hogyoku to become human, it wouldn't matter how strong they were...
i don't think he planned on rukia getting untraceable gigai when he put it in her, but it just ended up that way.
As far as we know, Urahara is the greatest inventor Soul Society had... I don't think he is stupid enough to know what his invention causes...Originally posted by: mage
i don't think he planned on rukia getting untraceable gigai when he put it in her, but it just ended up that way.
Untraceable or not, by removing the spirit power, it wouldn't matter who the carrier was... Since anyone would get their asses kicked...
Edit: Just re-read what you posted, and get what you mean... And yeah, I agree with you... He just used whatever soul was placed in front of him... Rukia was just there by coincidence...
One question is do we know how long Urahara has been on earth? Same as Yorichi? 1000 years?
Heres my mind numbing theory on Urahara's part.
1) He created the hogyuko and thought "Oh shit, I cant destroy it, I gotta hide it. I can't keep it on me, that would be to obvious so I'll hide it on the first person I see (Rukia)"
2) Gets himself banned from SS for the creation Gigia (or whatever reason), since he doesnt have the hogyuko on him SS doesn't care and lets him go
3) Leaving the hogyuko in Rukia without his supervision is useless so he somehow gets Rukia assigned on to a mission on earth.
4) Sets up the fight for Rukia to get owned to the point where she has to do something crazy to stay away from SS and need a Gigia afterwards
5) Rukia is in the Gigia and slowly starts becoming Human to blend in with the rest of the world
.....
Now Aizen somehow figures all this out and knows that Urahara would send people to save Rukia. He probably does not have it factored how strong Ichigo is, because he goes on to say that they (the Ryoka) have done a far better destraction job then he originally thought possible. The whole Ichago + Hallow thing Aizen probably doesnt know about.
Urahara probably deliberatly setup the situation for Ichigo to get the hallow abilities cause he knew he'd need them when he gets to SS to fight off Aizen or whatever he comes across. I wonder if Urahara really knows / suspects that Aizen is after his creation, or did Urahara just send Ichigo and crew to get back Rukia to be safe under his watchful eye.
Interesting point is that Yorichi freaked out when she saw the Hallow mask on Ichigo (I think... its the ep when she flies him to the hidden cave when we first see her human form) so she obviously doesn't know whats going on with Ichigo. Question remains how much does Yorichi really know about whats happening.
Lots of interesting stuff happening... so tempted to jump ahead with the manga
I also feel like it was just 'fate/destiny/luck/fortune" that made Kuchiki Rukia get the Faux Body (gigai) that contained the Super Ball. Honeslty, she was the first Shinigami in a long time that had decided NOT to return to Soul Society, specially afraid that her giving her powers to Ichigo was a violation of rules. I just think he would have given it to anyone.
However. IF Rukia the actual Soul who became the Shinigami was the one Urahara placed the Hollow/Shinigami Ball inside of, then its an entirely different story, and especially makes me wonder what Byakya Kuchiki's story is... However, I'm just thiniking that it was all luck that Rukia got woven up in this crazy plot...
Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
I dunno.......after this episode, I'm beginning to think the whole point of that statement aizen made was that he could put all the captains and vice-captains under a big illusion without even them having to be in his presence, which is how he was able to fake his death without actually being there......
NOT to imply that ichigo had any sort of advantage
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Urahara could've put the hogyouku inside Rukia when he gave her the gigai...
Or do you know he did it before as a fact?
Best part of the episode was fox face interupting Aizen mid speach, great way to end it, even though it's almost a sure thing the fox is gonna get his ass handed to him hard core.
Otherwise it would make no sence that Aizen said "By the time I found out about this, she was already gone".Originally posted by: Budweineken
Urahara could've put the hogyouku inside Rukia when he gave her the gigai...
Or do you know he did it before as a fact?
I think that Unohana is with the bad guys so it's all part of Aizen's plan. But we will have to see what she does to Hits and Hina. I'm thinking that she might just simply kill them or turn them into hollows like Kaien.Originally posted by: Darknodin
Aizen didn't know about the fact that all the captains received the message
What happens if Rukia dies? Does the hougyoku dissapear? If so: then it might have been Uraharas plan to get her killed in ep 1, but he didn't take in account that Ichi would be there. If not: then why doesn't Aizen just kill Rukia?
How long do you think that Aizen has been in control? Were Byakuya and Renji sent to retrieve Rukia because of Aizen?
That's hard to say. But no matter if she is with Aizen or not, Aizen wanted the crowd to gather at the execution grounds. Because if Unohana isn't with him, the least Aizen would have expected is Unohana informing everybody. And if she is with him, then she informed everybody because Aizen told her to.Originally posted by: el_boss
I think that Unohana is with the bad guys so it's all part of Aizen's plan. But we will have to see what she does to Hits and Hina. I'm thinking that she might just simply kill them or turn them into hollows like Kaien.
So, either way, it was Aizen's plan to get everybody there. Perhaps that has something to do with what he intends to do with Rukia. Perhaps killing her (body) will somehow set the hybrid free, and Aizen expects that monster to slaughter everybody, or something.
Why do you think that ?Originally posted by: el_boss
I think that Unohana is with the bad guys so it's all part of Aizen's plan. But we will have to see what she does to Hits and Hina. I'm thinking that she might just simply kill them or turn them into hollows like Kaien.
I mean, when Unohana discovered Aizen and Gin in front of Room 46, if she was with them, then Aizen wouldn't explain everything to her cause she would have already known, and her lieutnant wouldn't send a message to all the captains to say : "Everybody, let's kick Aizen ass, he is at Soukyokou"
When Hitsugaya was slashed, there was nobody left watching them and Unohana won't have to behave like she didn't know anything if she was with them.
Sorry, it may seem a little confuse but it's the best i can do for now
They had to put up the act so that Kotetsu would inform everyone and it had to look/sound real.Originally posted by: K.Kashier
I mean, when Unohana discovered Aizen and Gin in front of Room 46, if she was with them, then Aizen wouldn't explain everything to her cause she would have already known, and her lieutnant wouldn't send a message to all the captains to say : "Everybody, let's kick Aizen ass, he is at Soukyokou"
When Hitsugaya was slashed, there was nobody left watching them and Unohana won't have to behave like she didn't know anything if she was with them.
Also like Tousen, Unohana had an ability that could have revealed Aizen's true plan. The fact that she didn't tell anyone about the corpse doll makes her even more suspisious.
And why did Unohana and Kotetsu happen to show up at the place where Aizen was, and again without telling anyone and without any back-up.
This is what I wrote earlier regarding Unohana, I mean it's not rock-solid but it's enough to raise suspision.
Originally posted by: el_boss
She didn't get killed and they way she spoke in this ep was really wierd. Also she looks like she could be Aizen's sister or something, she also looks almost "too nice" just like him.
How do you know that? If it's Aizen's plan to get everybody to the execution grounds, then why shouldn't the liutenant send the message? Such a claim makes no sense at all. I already explained the logic in my previous post, but let me state one fact that I didn't directly type down: The only way Aizen could have stopped the immediate gathering would have been to kill both Unohana and her liutenant, if they aren't his allies, or tell Unohana to do nothing, if she are his ally.Originally posted by: K.Kashier
I mean, when Unohana discovered Aizen and Gin in front of Room 46, if she was with them, then Aizen wouldn't explain everything to her cause she would have already known, and her lieutnant wouldn't send a message to all the captains to say : "Everybody, let's kick Aizen ass, he is at Soukyokou"
Of course this could be a flaw in the plot, but seriously... In a plot this good, why would there be such?
Originally posted by: Kraco
How do you know that? If it's Aizen's plan to get everybody to the execution grounds, then why shouldn't the liutenant send the message? Such a claim makes no sense at all. I already explained the logic in my previous post, but let me state one fact that I didn't directly type down: The only way Aizen could have stopped the immediate gathering would have been to kill both Unohana and her liutenant, if they aren't his allies, or tell Unohana to do nothing, if she are his ally.Originally posted by: K.Kashier
I mean, when Unohana discovered Aizen and Gin in front of Room 46, if she was with them, then Aizen wouldn't explain everything to her cause she would have already known, and her lieutnant wouldn't send a message to all the captains to say : "Everybody, let's kick Aizen ass, he is at Soukyokou"
Of course this could be a flaw in the plot, but seriously... In a plot this good, why would there be such?
You don't explain why he tells her all about his plan.
And i think there is a little misunderstanding, let me explain better:
If she was with them as i said previously, why would Aizen waste his time talking. He would have tell her to contact now everybody, and would have gone to the Soukyokou.
I can understand why it could be in his plan to gather everybody but then it doesn't explain why Aizen must explain everything to Unohana ! If i'm plotting something with one of my friends, i don't see the use not to tell her about what i'm about to do. It's as simple as that. Besides, Unohana seemed very surprised when Aizen told her about his actions.
I'm just saying that i don't think they're ally but i can be true. You have just your theory and i have mine.No problem. I just defend my own. You have some good point (presence of Unohana without backup) but for me it's more the fact that why would she be so surpised about Aizen plan and the fact that Tousen sided with Aizen if she was with them too. It makes no sense.
There are no reasons for her to fake her surpise cause if she was her ally, they would have talked about what's next on the plan instead of explaining her everything.
And why would he tell her that he doubt they'll meet again he she is one of her ally ?
Moreover i don't think Aizen is worried about Captains gathering, he is so powerful that he beats them with a single hit. I mean Gin and him just keep smiling all the time, even when Hitsugaya goes bankai. It's quite strange how calm they are. As if it was nothing to them and they were convinced that nothing can stop them. Fights are just like "Let's have a little fun before we accomplish our goal" for Aizen.
Well, we'll see in the next episode ! (sorry for my poor english, i'm french and i haven't practice for a long time.)
heres the way I see it. Sandal-hat developed this bad thing. and then a worse thing (the untracable gigai) that got him expelled.
Rukia transfered her powers to ichigo and temporarily needed a gigai. Sandal hat saw this as an opportunity to hide the hogyouku and 2 facedly gave rukia the untracable gigai with teh hogyouku inside.
Now, as soon as Aizen realized that Rukia was missing he knew that it could only be because she was in sandal-hats Gigai., which meant that sandal hat had probably put the hogyouku into her, because of the inherent safety in hiding something, in someone who happens to be untracable.
Then, Aizen hatched his evil plan and followed through, as he had probably been searching for the hogyouku endlessly and put it all together when Rukia fell off the radar.
When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments. Here was a machine of precision and balance for the convenience of man. And (unlike subsequent inventions for man's convenience) the more he used it, the fitter his body became. Here, for once, was a product of man's brain that was entirely beneficial to those who used it, and of no harm or irritation to others. Progress should have stopped when man invented the bicycle. ~Elizabeth West, Hovel in theHills
When are you people going to stop being wrong about this >_<Originally posted by: Cal_kashi
heres the way I see it. Sandal-hat developed this bad thing. and then a worse thing (the untracable gigai) that got him expelled.
Rukia transfered her powers to ichigo and temporarily needed a gigai. Sandal hat saw this as an opportunity to hide the hogyouku and 2 facedly gave rukia the untracable gigai with teh hogyouku inside.
Now, as soon as Aizen realized that Rukia was missing he knew that it could only be because she was in sandal-hats Gigai., which meant that sandal hat had probably put the hogyouku into her, because of the inherent safety in hiding something, in someone who happens to be untracable.
Then, Aizen hatched his evil plan and followed through, as he had probably been searching for the hogyouku endlessly and put it all together when Rukia fell off the radar.
Information about Rukia having the hogyouku existed before she even put the gigai on. So stop saying he put it in the gigai directly.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
I think Ichigo is in Aizen equations ...
All Captains went " Wtf you're strong Ryoka "
But Aizen goes " was I too soft ? "
Ok there's some large power gap between them but ... Comon' Aizen is a mastermind no way he could rule out such a huge X factor.
Aizen got Ichigo's party into his plans
And he is the one talkin about Shinigami/Hollow
Could Ichigo and/or his familly an experimentation of Urahara techniques ?
It would explain why they can see holowand ghosts ...
Why Ichigo could have broke Rukia's Kidou
Why Ichigo got this IchiHollow within him
Death of Ichigo's mother could have trigger all this ...
60 & 61 makes Bleach's plot a lot more entropic and I'm sure everyone is pleased about that
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