Williams executed

[Terracosmo]

Ditto. I can't possibly see the logic in forgiving those people, even less actually joining some anti-death penalty thingy. :S

To quote a guy from another forum which I frequent (READ THIS because it is TRUTH);

"Tookie (Williams) and 3 other friends who originally went to rob a minnie mart instead headed towards a 7-eleven which was worked by a guy named Owens. 2 of Took's friends began to work on the cash register take around 120 bucks. Returning from outside sweeping Owens went inside with the other 2 while Tookie followed behind him and armed himself with a 12 gauge and pointed it at Owen's back. In a backroom he took out the camera and put two rounds into Owen's back, dropping him.

"You should have heard the way he sounded when I shot him"

4 Taiwanese immigrants, A 60 yearold couple, 1 daughter and son, owned a motel in South Central. Williams broke into the private office and shot down the Dad and then followed up by killing the mother. Lastly he shot and killed the daughter of the family while the son was running to the commotion. The good news is Tookie was able to net himself another useless 100 bucks. Both parents were shot twice by the 12 gauge.

Right now the crips have swelled to 31,000 in California. Just in California.


On the other hand aid worker Margaret Hassan was kidnapped and killed in Iraq an entire year ago, but she never got a R.I.P. Why? Because Russel Crowe and MTV didn't know her."

[PSJ]

You actually feel sad everytime someone you don't know dies?

Not to be cold-hearted or anything but i just don't have it in me to feel too sad when someone i don't know dies. There were this guy at my school who got shot by his brother supposedly by accident when they were playing around with a revolver, i couldn't help but to think how stupid it was to play around with a loaded revolver.

Back on topic.

I like that idea of the criminal free-for-all. I would watch it. Anti-death penalty thingy is just overrated, it's the same as vegans doing demonstrations and shit, you will not change anything so just stop it. There is no way the government will listen to a small fraction of the population while an equal fraction are active supporters of death penalty.

EDIT: After reading Terra's edit i can't say more than that he got what he deserved, maybe death was too easy for him, i'd say let him work himself to death, let him lift shit for 15 hours a day and get some shitty meal once a day, he would be dead after a month or 2. Why should we treat criminals that rapes and murders, according to human rights when they clearly doesn't give a shit about anything else than themselves.

[Mr Squiggles]

What about those that were wrongfully convicted? because lets face it, the judicial system isnt perfect. Just as some guilty get away, innocents get convicted. Should they be killed as well, Is that acceptable collateral damage?

I dont believe in the death penalty. Killing someone because they also killed is not justice, its just vengeance. I also find it to be extremely hypocritical.

And just for the record, I am not a chick, nor am I gay... but then again I am canadian so that might explain it...

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: PSJ
Anti-death penalty thingy is just overrated, it's the same as vegans doing demonstrations and shit, you will not change anything so just stop it. There is no way the government will listen to a small fraction of the population while an equal fraction are active supporters of death penalty.

That's one of the dumbest things I've heard you say, so I'm going to assume you weren't being serious. "It doesn't matter what you beleive or want because a lot of other people don't want it so stfu." LOL, you're right. Fuck democracy!

As for feeling bad when someone dies, I don't like hearing it either. I'm against the death penalty, but totally for Assassin and Ero-fan's torture idea. Brilliant.

Originally posted by: Mr Squiggles
What about those that were wrongfully convicted? because lets face it, the judicial system isnt perfect. Just as some guilty get away, innocents get convicted. Should they be killed as well, Is that acceptable collateral damage?

I forgot about that. I learned last year that a large percentage of those sentenced to death were wrongfully accused. Particularly African Americans.

[PSJ]

Sorry for sounding dumb but do you see it working? For the government to listen there must be a huge mass backing up the cause and i don't see that mass anywhere. The ones that got the power are the ones that are in control, they choose who and what to listen to and take action for or against. When a cause got a small number of supporters and at the same time an equal number of people against it nothing will happen.

That's just what i think and i don't really care if it's stupid to you. I wouldn't waste my time on something that won't work. Call me whatever you want, it's your choice.

I can agree that its unfortunate that innocents can be convicted but that goes for all kinds of punishments, taking away the death penalty won't take away the problem with innocents getting punished. That problem lies in other parts of the system.

[XanBcoo]

And what if you consider if the anti-death penalty had a stronger backing, or supported by the government? Would you do nothing, even though you beleived we should kill the sick motherfuckers? I wasn't calling your point of view stupid, I just found it odd that you would say those in favor of not killing should do nothing.

[PSJ]

Well if the anti-death penalty had a stronger backing i'm sure the government would consider it, i would still do nothing as i am not a supporter of anti-death penalty, my country doesn't even have death penalty.

I don't involve easily in things like that i tend to care about what's closer to me and focus on that, call it selfish or whatever but i just don't have the energy to work for a cause.

[Xollence]

Blair condemns the death penalty

Williams debate

"If they think they succeeded by killing him in getting people to forget about him, they have done just the opposite,"

Who said anything about trying to forget him?

"Becnel said she was planning a memorial service "befitting a statesman" for Sunday or Monday in Los Angeles."

I don't get why people are making such a big deal about his books. It's not like they have proof that his books reduced crime or anything. "Crips have 31,000 members just in California", obviously his books didn't do much there. He's just a stubborn murderer that won't admit his crimes. Obviously if you've done a lot of bad shit, 30 years later anyone would start regretting their past and try to do some good. What he did was nothing special.

[PSJ]

I find it weird that people actually did let him do childrens books, imagine the bad publicity the label who first released his books got.

[el_boss]

I think it's funny that alot of americans and people in general are for capital punishment but for some reason they are against abortion.

[Honoko]

Originally posted by: el_boss
I think it's funny that alot of americans and people in general are for capital punishment but for some reason they are against abortion.

i agree. you got the republicans who're pro-life, and yet pro-war. you got the democrats who're pro-choice but anti-war. go figure.

[Ero-Fan]

Originally posted by: el_boss
I think it's funny that alot of americans and people in general are for capital punishment but for some reason they are against abortion.

Yeah, me too, but for the abortion issue, I guess I'm pro-choice, but then again, my feelings are that I am a guy, so the only abortion I should ever get a say in is if it was my kid they were trying to abort. Oh, well.
Personally, if your against the death penalty, thats all well and good. I get more agrevated by this, "I'm a celebrity, so if I say he should live, he should live" bullshit. As if any one person's opinion matters more than anothers. Hey, if enough people went against the death penalty that it got banned, I would be up in arms to get it reinstated, so I don't mind the protests. Then again, if it was overturned, I probably would take the law into my own hands. I know a few people deserving of death I wouldn't mind seeing em gone. Law is the only thing stopping vigilante justice. Until it changes, I'll volunteer to pull the switch, trigger, whatever...

Edit:

Originally posted by: Honoko

Originally posted by: el_boss
I think it's funny that alot of americans and people in general are for capital punishment but for some reason they are against abortion.

i agree. you got the republicans who're pro-life, and yet pro-war. you got the democrats who're pro-choice but anti-war. go figure.

I hate both partys' views on some things, but my views line up with republicans better than democrats on a national level and democrats better than republicans on a local level, so go figure. (obviously, I hate all politicians, or I like confusing myself at the polls [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] )

[The Heretic Azazel]

Originally posted by: Mr Squiggles
What about those that were wrongfully convicted? because lets face it, the judicial system isnt perfect. Just as some guilty get away, innocents get convicted. Should they be killed as well, Is that acceptable collateral damage?

I dont believe in the death penalty. Killing someone because they also killed is not justice, its just vengeance. I also find it to be extremely hypocritical.

And just for the record, I am not a chick, nor am I gay... but then again I am canadian so that might explain it...

If I were innocent I would rather die than spend life in prison, and I bet a lot of people would agree with me.

You don't get on death row from circumstantial evidence, the people you see who are exonerated for their crimes are typically ones who went in before DNA analyzation had evolved. Plus you go through countless appeals. I'm not saying all people on death row are guilty, unfortunately that's improbable. But dying is better than being fucked in the shower everyday, anyway, so should you debate if someone should get life?

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Mr Squiggles
What about those that were wrongfully convicted? because lets face it, the judicial system isnt perfect. Just as some guilty get away, innocents get convicted. Should they be killed as well, Is that acceptable collateral damage?

I dont believe in the death penalty. Killing someone because they also killed is not justice, its just vengeance. I also find it to be extremely hypocritical.

And just for the record, I am not a chick, nor am I gay... but then again I am canadian so that might explain it...

Oh, well then....let's expand our prisons and cram in more convicts and pay to feed and clothe them just because a fraction of a percent of them might be innocent.

The judicial system is built around the premise that it actually works. Defendants are already taken to court on the premise of innocent until proven guilty. Should it be changed to "innocent until proven maybe guilty"?

Innocent or guilty aside, I still fail to see the advantage of rotting away in a cell as opposed to being killed off earlier.

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: Ero-Fan
Then again, if it was overturned, I probably would take the law into my own hands. I know a few people deserving of death I wouldn't mind seeing em gone. Law is the only thing stopping vigilante justice. Until it changes, I'll volunteer to pull the switch, trigger, whatever...

Suddenly, "The Boondock Saints" comes to mind...

[Ero-Fan]

Originally posted by: XanBcoo

Originally posted by: Ero-Fan
Then again, if it was overturned, I probably would take the law into my own hands. I know a few people deserving of death I wouldn't mind seeing em gone. Law is the only thing stopping vigilante justice. Until it changes, I'll volunteer to pull the switch, trigger, whatever...

Suddenly, "The Boondock Saints" comes to mind...

Ahh, that movie, hehe. Brings a smile to my face every time I watch it. If only I could get away with it like they do....

[Assassin]

Originally posted by: el_boss
I think it's funny that alot of americans and people in general are for capital punishment but for some reason they are against abortion.

i dont see how the 2 are similar. Yes, you're talking about ending life, but one life is that of an innocent child, and theres absolutely no doubt about his ainnocence. On the other hand, with capital punishment, you're talking about punishing someone who has commited a crime, and not just any crime, something so serious that it warrants the death penalty. So its perfectly reasonable to br pro capital punishment, and anti abortion.

Why don't we just take all criminals and put them in the hard jobs like working in a mine or something along those lines so we have some use for them.

To hell with me being nice earlier, I'll tell you what we should really do with criminals. I say, screw prisons, put em in a fenced in area. Have a free-for-all where the last man/woman alive gets a free "pardon", and by pardon I mean a quick death. Televise the event, use the money to pay for the guards and prison grounds. I bet it would be a hit right off the bat. I know I would watch.

I like how were starting to sound like the intro to some post-apocolyptic fps game [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img].

[XanBcoo]

George Carlin did a funny bit over what should be done with criminals, sexual offenders, etc.

[Xollence]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure

Originally posted by: Mr Squiggles
What about those that were wrongfully convicted? because lets face it, the judicial system isnt perfect. Just as some guilty get away, innocents get convicted. Should they be killed as well, Is that acceptable collateral damage?

I dont believe in the death penalty. Killing someone because they also killed is not justice, its just vengeance. I also find it to be extremely hypocritical.

And just for the record, I am not a chick, nor am I gay... but then again I am canadian so that might explain it...

Oh, well then....let's expand our prisons and cram in more convicts and pay to feed and clothe them just because a fraction of a percent of them might be innocent.

The judicial system is built around the premise that it actually works. Defendants are already taken to court on the premise of innocent until proven guilty. Should it be changed to "innocent until proven maybe guilty"?

Innocent or guilty aside, I still fail to see the advantage of rotting away in a cell as opposed to being killed off earlier.

Actually the death penalty costs a lot more than life imprisonment.

[Ero-Fan]

Originally posted by: Xollence

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure

Originally posted by: Mr Squiggles
What about those that were wrongfully convicted? because lets face it, the judicial system isnt perfect. Just as some guilty get away, innocents get convicted. Should they be killed as well, Is that acceptable collateral damage?

I dont believe in the death penalty. Killing someone because they also killed is not justice, its just vengeance. I also find it to be extremely hypocritical.

And just for the record, I am not a chick, nor am I gay... but then again I am canadian so that might explain it...

Oh, well then....let's expand our prisons and cram in more convicts and pay to feed and clothe them just because a fraction of a percent of them might be innocent.

The judicial system is built around the premise that it actually works. Defendants are already taken to court on the premise of innocent until proven guilty. Should it be changed to "innocent until proven maybe guilty"?

Innocent or guilty aside, I still fail to see the advantage of rotting away in a cell as opposed to being killed off earlier.

Actually the death penalty costs a lot more than life imprisonment.

Only cause we coddle there ass. God forbid we use some cheap method like a bullet to the brain, or that metal rod they have that gets shoved through a cow's head to kill it instantly. Better yet, let's use a guillitene (god, I can't spell) to behead em. At least that is reusable.