Bleach 60

[aznimperialx]

i can see the soul society crumbling

[Vegechan]

A couple of things. Not really so sure about Aizen not guessing about Ichigo... I mean, this whole thing seems to be centered around Rukia's execution, and why was she being executed? Because of the incident with Ichigo. I mean, I find it hard to believe that he planned this whole thing concerning Rukia's execution and just luckily had a reason to do it... He knows something, and odds are knows about Ichigo. How much does he know about Ichigo? Uncertain, but he knows more about the situation than people think. He just has to.

I also believe Ukitake and Shuunsui are in on this, even though I like them so much. I mean, Aizen and Gin just teleported to the execution grounds, where they believed Rukia to be. However, if the execution went according to plan she would have been dead. Enter Ukitake and Shuunsui, who killed off the execution weapon (can't remember it's name.) So either he knew they were planning this (we still don't know why they did anyways) or they are in cohoots with Aizen and was told to take it out.

[FrogKing]

If we assume that Aizen's plan is to destroy Soul Society with or with out the Soukyoku, what happens then? Would the hollow dominate the spirits? That would mean that secretly Aizen is either a 'super uber hollow' as Splash put it or would somehow gain something from Soul Society destruction. If he isn't a hollow (or somehow working with them), then I think his motivations are elsewhere. Maybe he is trying to usurp Yama-ji and take over Soul Society and not destroy it. However, that still doesn't explain why he needs Rukia. Does anybody have any theories for Aizen's actions? Destroy Soul Society? Take over Soul Society?

[Kraco]

Originally posted by: Vegechan
However, if the execution went according to plan she would have been dead. Enter Ukitake and Shuunsui, who killed off the execution weapon (can't remember it's name.) So either he knew they were planning this (we still don't know why they did anyways) or they are in cohoots with Aizen and was told to take it out.

Aizen could have just counted on it. The plan wasn't without risks anyway, couldn't be with so powerful people all around.

If Ukitake and Shunsui were indeed in league with Aizen, it would be easy to explain why: Aizen has promised Ukitake a cure for his illness and proven with enough credibility he can deliver it. Well, Shunsui is even easier: Aizen has just promised he will make with his hypnosis skills Nanao-chan completely and immediately fall for Shunsui.

What comes to Aizen's motives, I would guess take over, but in reality I have no idea. I still can't see why he wanted Rukia brough back to the execution grounds, unless Vegechan is right, and Ichigo has a big role in Aizen's plans.

[masamuneehs]

I seriously doubt Ukitake and Shunsui are in league with Aizen.

First, they predate him (being the first two Shinigami captains from Yama-ji's academy) and I can't imagine they'd like to take orders from someone without seniority...
Second, they joined Yama-ji's Shinigami academy and played an important founding role. I can't imagine they just want to destroy that very same society they helped build. (No, their stopping the execution is not destroying SS. Both of them are currently upset at the execution because it is so much different from the rules of SS they originally vowed to uphold. And who's pulling the strings behind the execution they so adamantly oppose? Aizen!)
Third, Aizen knew that all the remaining captains would be at the Soukyou and that the Ryoka would interfere there. I also believe he could use Central 46 to keep tabs on Ukitake and Shunsui, leading them into the fight against Yama-ji. He's counting on those two keeping Yama-ji busy, NOT defeating him. After all, wouldn't he go help them destroy the biggest threat to his plans (Yama-ji) if Ukitake and Shunsui were really in league with him?

As for Aizen knowing about Ichigo's Hollow nature... That's something I suspect he has some information about. HOW he has that information... I'm clueless.

[el_boss]

Originally posted by: mage
souls don't get hungry unless they're about to die.

Didn't they make a big point out of that people with "soul-powers" indeed get hungry. That was like how people knew if they had powers.

[anphorus]

Originally posted by: el_boss

Originally posted by: mage
souls don't get hungry unless they're about to die.

Didn't they make a big point out of that people with "soul-powers" indeed get hungry. That was like how people knew if they had powers.

I think they only get hungry if they use their soul powers. I know this doesn't really clear things up, but I just assumed that Ichigo ate when he was Bankai training, and that the others ate while they were getting their shinigami clothes (except ishida, since his powers are now gone)

[Munsu]

From what I remember, the sensation of being hungry is a human sensation, and it kinda means that they are too attached to the human world, hence a trait common with Hollows... So that was one of the big problems when Urahara was trying to make Ichigo a Shinigami, almost turning him into a Hollow...


Hunger was also mentioned in the young Rukia flashback, and it showed a different nature to this hunger... though I don't remember what it was...

[ChaosK]

Originally posted by: FrogKing
If we assume that Aizen's plan is to destroy Soul Society with or with out the Soukyoku, what happens then? Would the hollow dominate the spirits? That would mean that secretly Aizen is either a 'super uber hollow' as Splash put it or would somehow gain something from Soul Society destruction. If he isn't a hollow (or somehow working with them), then I think his motivations are elsewhere. Maybe he is trying to usurp Yama-ji and take over Soul Society and not destroy it. However, that still doesn't explain why he needs Rukia. Does anybody have any theories for Aizen's actions? Destroy Soul Society? Take over Soul Society?

aizen wasnt trying to destroy soul soceity with soukyoku. or else he would've stopped the destruction of it. also aizen tricked renji and hitsuyaga by acting as the detective in gin's schemes. when do u suspect the detective as the culprit?

Originally posted by: Budweineken
From what I remember, the sensation of being hungry is a human sensation, and it kinda means that they are too attached to the human world, hence a trait common with Hollows... So that was one of the big problems when Urahara was trying to make Ichigo a Shinigami, almost turning him into a Hollow...


Hunger was also mentioned in the young Rukia flashback, and it showed a different nature to this hunger... though I don't remember what it was...

the thing with young rukia flash back was some bully took a kid's candy and the big kid went "you dont need it, u dont have a shred of spirit power, as long as u have water you wont die"

and in a flash back with gin and kira, gin went "if u can die of starvation, it means you have it too right?....power"

[XanBcoo]

I think anphorus is right that they have to use their energy in order to need food. The shinigami that explained it to Rukia and Renji said that they must have felt his spirit force and "consumed their energy." We also saw Matsumoto collapsing from exhaustion in the desert, so she must have been very strained. What accounts for that special trait of needing food, though, I'm not sure. Possibly just having lots of reiatsu.

[el_boss]

Originally posted by: Budweineken
Hunger was also mentioned in the young Rukia flashback, and it showed a different nature to this hunger... though I don't remember what it was...

That's what I was referring to. They said that people that have soul powers are the only ones that get hungry in the spirit world.

[ChaosK]

well the people without just need water.

[Board of Command]

I think Aizen's whole plan has to do with Kaien, whom I presume to be the hollow inside Ichigo. Rukia is just an excuse to turn Ichigo into the hollow Kaien. There has to be more to the Kaien story than they showed in that one episode. Maybe Kaien messed with Aizen a long time ago or something.

[Turkish-S]

Originally posted by: Giboc

Originally posted by: Turkish-S

bad side:
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the 2 bladed dude's
....

How do you figure?

the pink one said.. hey Ukitake don't be afread don't you feel reinforcement is comming??
i think with reinforcement he meens aizen

[Knives122]

^^Wrong, Shunsui was talking about Yoruichi

[Munsu]

Yep, he was talking bout Yoruichi... he was worried about their subordinates with Soi Fong there...

[masamuneehs]

Originally posted by: BOARD_of_command
I think Aizen's whole plan has to do with Kaien, whom I presume to be the hollow inside Ichigo. Rukia is just an excuse to turn Ichigo into the hollow Kaien. There has to be more to the Kaien story than they showed in that one episode. Maybe Kaien messed with Aizen a long time ago or something.

Dude, if i actually had any real idea about what's going to happen in the future (which i don't since i've never seen the manga), i'd say you nailed it right on the head. Damn best theory. If I had created Bleach I would have hoped to use that plot path. I can only wonder what Aizen's motivation/rationale for this whole thing is...

[el_boss]

Originally posted by: masamuneehs

Originally posted by: BOARD_of_command
I think Aizen's whole plan has to do with Kaien, whom I presume to be the hollow inside Ichigo. Rukia is just an excuse to turn Ichigo into the hollow Kaien. There has to be more to the Kaien story than they showed in that one episode. Maybe Kaien messed with Aizen a long time ago or something.

Dude, if i actually had any real idea about what's going to happen in the future (which i don't since i've never seen the manga), i'd say you nailed it right on the head. Damn best theory. If I had created Bleach I would have hoped to use that plot path. I can only wonder what Aizen's motivation/rationale for this whole thing is...

Yeah I think this is a good theory too, mostly because I came up with in the last episode ( [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img] no one reads my posts).

Originally posted by: el_boss
Do you think that hollow-Ichigo has something to do with Kaien-dono? Because he was killed by a hollow and the fact that they look so much alike can't be a coincidense. And we don't really know what happens to shinigamis that die. They might get reincarnated or something.

That's pretty much my take on the subject.

[Inazuma]

I think no one will die from the blows delivered in "Bleach 60"
Because in this kind of nearly perfect plot, each dead got to make you cry in front of your screen ...
That's what I expect from Bleach that's what I hope it'll happen.

Instead of :
A Shinigami Replacement and his crew
A jailed princess in a white tower
An army divised in two, One side fighting for Rukia's fate and the other fighting to comply with Room 46's orders.
( Note : Even this plot owns most of all plots known to man )

Now we got :
Now we got the crew leaded by and Super Empowered Ichigo
A coup d'etat in progress
Fighting all over the SS
Casualties in Room46, so ... no head of state.
Chaos has spread within the Shinigami order ... So maybe we'll expect some Huge hollows badasses to put some more spice in this twisted plot.
More sides ... Ichigo's, Aizen's, Kenpachi's ( The I-Fight-just-for-fun-side ), Fire Gramp's ( Because I think he'll make his best to restore SS A.s.a.p. ), And maybe we'll sort as Freelancers ( Firework & Twin axes Huge guardian, Yoruichi ... Everybody else )

And yet after 60 episode situation is unclear and surprises aren't to be ruled out as a possibility

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: el_boss

Originally posted by: masamuneehs

Originally posted by: BOARD_of_command
I think Aizen's whole plan has to do with Kaien, whom I presume to be the hollow inside Ichigo. Rukia is just an excuse to turn Ichigo into the hollow Kaien. There has to be more to the Kaien story than they showed in that one episode. Maybe Kaien messed with Aizen a long time ago or something.

Dude, if i actually had any real idea about what's going to happen in the future (which i don't since i've never seen the manga), i'd say you nailed it right on the head. Damn best theory. If I had created Bleach I would have hoped to use that plot path. I can only wonder what Aizen's motivation/rationale for this whole thing is...

Yeah I think this is a good theory too, mostly because I came up with in the last episode ( [img][/img] no one reads my posts).

Originally posted by: el_boss
Do you think that hollow-Ichigo has something to do with Kaien-dono? Because he was killed by a hollow and the fact that they look so much alike can't be a coincidense. And we don't really know what happens to shinigamis that die. They might get reincarnated or something.

That's pretty much my take on the subject.

I think that's an ok theory, sans the Hollow-Kaien. I think Ichigo's hollow is his own, from when he was in that pit. Ichigo was halfway turning into a hollow, being covered by the mask and screaming as his chain was completely destroyed, but he manged to find his powers. I also beleive the grayscale Ichigo inside him to be his hollow personality (meaning it's his own - since it looks like him). Kaien's hollow had a different voice (a very recognizable one at that), and a weird-ass mask that is not the one that appears on Ichigo's face. Perhaps there is a connection between Kaien and Ichigo, but not between the Hollows inside them.