Bleach 60

[Kensee]

Kiba is just really loyal to his Captain, I doubt he really knows what they planned or how far they will go ... He just wants to be the best Vice he can be! Even if he does know of whats happening, its highly liklely he doesnt know their true plans or natures, just following orders.

In Aizen vs Hitsusaga, the anime showed Hits hitting what appears to be an illusion of Aizen then Aizen slicing through him, when in the Manga Aizen really sliced through Hits BEFORE Hits even swung his sword. I'm not saying Hits is weak, but Aizen literally pwned him before he realized he was pwned.

Aizen ... Mastermind ... powerhouse!

Originally posted by: masamuneehs

One thing that is still not clear (to me, as an anime viewer only at least) is What happens to you when you die in SS? What exactly is there to fear? YOURE ALREADY DEAD!

Also, I feel like Matsumoto is going to be the key to unlocking Gin's past, and thus his consequent motives for aiding Aizen in this plot.

aaaa, that really gets my juices flowing for Kenpachi to get in there and tear those scheming cowards a new asshole! I want to go back and rewatch some of the interactions between the Captains, just to see if anything else comes out.

I think you just fade from existance when you die in SS ... seeing how in the flashbacks that one guy who looked like Ichigo died, that one captain has cancer and is going to die ... and heck even the execution ground exsits so I believe that they just cease to exsist.

Was it me, or did Matsumoto mention a baby to Gin? This mean Matsumoto was a mother to Gin's child or wha? That would explain the Valley of the Gods, but then it would change her title from flashy bombshell to MILF .... -_-

I wonder how Kenpachi would do against Aizen ... seeing how Aizen > a lot of captains (im gonna say he's stronger than GIN and Touseen seeing how they are his subordinates).

edit: ooo Bud hit a nice 5100 posts .. DONT PoSt any more! You'll ruin the number .. and its prettyness.

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: Kensee

Was it me, or did Matsumoto mention a baby to Gin? This mean Matsumoto was a mother to Gin's child or wha? That would explain the Valley of the Gods, but then it would change her title from flashy bombshell to MILF .... -_-

She fits the MILF criteria very well and yes what is this talk about a baby.

[Phoenix20578]

LOL. OMG is a fitting response to seeing Aizen as the bad guy. No one, in the manga readers or anime watchers saw it coming. BEST PLOT TWIST......EVER!

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
Personally, when I read this in the manga, that was the point where my Bleach fandom was eternally sealed. AWESOME twist. Aizen is indeed one of the best villains I've seen.

Agree with all points

[naruto22]

When you die in Soul Society, I think you go back to Earth. In a sense, it could be a karmic cycle of reincarnation. Soul Society and Earth balance each other in a time glass. If human souls are destined to go back to soul society, it makes sense if the dead in soul society have to go back to Earth as well. The Shinigami are definitely not immortal. We're not talking Elves here, merely extraordinarily long lived spiritual entities.

Otherwise the Byakuya wouldn't be the only clansmen of the Kuchiki left, he's mum and dad would be alive as well as any other Kuchikis throughout the aeons.

That's why the Quincy's were exterminated. They permanently kill Hollows means the number of souls in the population of Earth and Soul Society decreases until there are no more souls to go between. In a sense its like a gene pool. If you keep killing the species, pretty soon they will be left with nobody to propagate. And then the inbreeding danger raises its ugly head. The genepool becomes stagnant.

I still say that Aizen didn't want to mess with Unohana because somehow he knows that Unohana is strong. Hell, Hitsugaya was a combat oriented shinigami and he took him out in one shot. To Unohana, he calmly told her the truth but did not instantly kill her. I mean, why shouldn't he kill her? If he didn't kill her, wouldn't Unohana chase after Aizen or worse, get some other captains to go after Aizen's head?

My conclusion is that Aizen couldn't risk fighting Unohana as he was not sure he could win, or at least win fast like against Hitsugaya and had to get to Rukia ASAP to do whatever he wants to do with her fast before Unohana catches up.

So to conclude: AIZEN IS AFRAID OF 4TH SQUAD! LONG LIVE THE 4TH SQUAD! EAT THAT ZARAKI! THE BIGGEST BADDIE IN BLEACH IS AFRAID OF A 4TH SQUAD CAPTAIN, and a woman to boot.

Just my opinion, I'm not saying I'm right, just my observation.

[mage]

Originally posted by: naruto22
My conclusion is that Aizen couldn't risk fighting Unohana as he was not sure he could win, or at least win fast like against Hitsugaya and had to get to Rukia ASAP to do whatever he wants to do with her fast before Unohana catches up.

i believe it's much more likely that he told her everything because he didn't see her as a threat and felt like getting some laughs. if unohana was strong enough to kill aizen like you say, she would've tried to do so.

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: naruto22
I still say that Aizen didn't want to mess with Unohana because somehow he knows that Unohana is strong. Hell, Hitsugaya was a combat oriented shinigami and he took him out in one shot. To Unohana, he calmly told her the truth but did not instantly kill her. I mean, why shouldn't he kill her? If he didn't kill her, wouldn't Unohana chase after Aizen or worse, get some other captains to go after Aizen's head?

Maybe he didn't want to kill her because he didn't see her as a threat. Maybe he respects Unohana or treated her kindly because she was a lady (not sure about that one, b/c of Hinamori). Maybe he wants people to know about his deception. Maybe Aizen needed an outlet to let the world (readers and viewers of the manga/anime) know of his dastardly plans and Kubo Tite didn't want to kill off the best healer in SS. If Aizen was truly afraid, he would have ran straight away, and not stuck around.

Edit: Looking at the manga, I must say I much prefer the translation of "treacherous reprobate" to "traitorous criminal" when Unohana adresses Aizen.

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
Edit: Looking at the manga, I must say I much prefer the translation of "treacherous reprobate" to "traitorous criminal" when Unohana adresses Aizen.

Lets wait and see how does Bleach Society and Lunar translate this term.

[masamuneehs]

Originally posted by: XanBcoo

Originally posted by: naruto22
I still say that Aizen didn't want to mess with Unohana because somehow he knows that Unohana is strong. Hell, Hitsugaya was a combat oriented shinigami and he took him out in one shot. To Unohana, he calmly told her the truth but did not instantly kill her. I mean, why shouldn't he kill her? If he didn't kill her, wouldn't Unohana chase after Aizen or worse, get some other captains to go after Aizen's head?

Maybe he didn't want to kill her because he didn't see her as a threat. Maybe he respects Unohana or treated her kindly because she was a lady (not sure about that one, b/c of Hinamori). Maybe he wants people to know about his deception. Maybe Aizen needed an outlet to let the world (readers and viewers of the manga/anime) know of his dastardly plans and Kubo Tite didn't want to kill off the best healer in SS. If Aizen was truly afraid, he would have ran straight away, and not stuck around.

I agree with XanB, I think that Unohana's appearance and Aizen only speaking to her and not fighting her was a way to inform us, the viewers, of Aizen's plot. Also, it did seem like he needed to leave RIGHT THEN to meet up with Tousen and Rukia... That and I also believe Unohana is going to heal Hitsugaya...

Aizen fearing her? Hardly... I didn't get that feeling at all. I think he just wanted to laugh in someone's face who could appreciate his devious undertakings.

It'll still come back to bite him in the ass.

And as for Matsumoto being a mom.... Was that just poor translation?... I also felt like she was talking about herself, not a baby... Hell, I don't think people in SS can have babies! That would totally overpopulate the place even more!

Also, I like the "You die in SS and get reincarnated in the Human World" idea... Just eliminating their existence in SS seems like it would throw off the balance between the worlds... Then again, if death in SS leads to the complete end of your existence, I can see why Tousen and Gin fear it.

[anphorus]

Originally posted by: masamuneehs

Also, I like the "You die in SS and get reincarnated in the Human World" idea... Just eliminating their existence in SS seems like it would throw off the balance between the worlds... Then again, if death in SS leads to the complete end of your existence, I can see why Tousen and Gin fear it.

I think that this is pretty much exactly what happens. As I remember, in the manga, it was explained like this waayy back when Ishida first apeared. Alhough that leaves me wondering if the noble houses are already nobles back on earth, or if they are just ordinary people who become nobles when they die.

I loved this episode though, definately the best twist in any anime I've seen. My only complaint is that Aizen seems to have used his shikai ability to beat Hitsugaya (and Hitsugaya also had time to move) whereas in the manga as soon as the kid announced his bankai, Aizen was behind him. Aizen is the man.

[Assassin]

Originally posted by: Jadugar

Originally posted by: Kensee

Was it me, or did Matsumoto mention a baby to Gin? This mean Matsumoto was a mother to Gin's child or wha? That would explain the Valley of the Gods, but then it would change her title from flashy bombshell to MILF .... -_-

She fits the MILF criteria very well and yes what is this talk about a baby.

well in teh flashback, matsumoto is young...i'd say around 13-14. So i dont think the child thats mentioned is hers and gins. I just figured they were talking about some other kid from thier past.

i could also be that the child was actually matsumotto herself. Remember, gin found matsumoto when they were little, so maybe he left her to stay with someone he knew, and walked out (hences the scene with him walking away in the snow)

[AtHRunOwNZaLL]

Originally posted by: Kensee
Was it me, or did Matsumoto mention a baby to Gin? This mean Matsumoto was a mother to Gin's child or wha? That would explain the Valley of the Gods, but then it would change her title from flashy bombshell to MILF .... -_-

i hadn't watched the episode yet but about what matsumoto said, when i read the manga i thought she was referring to "child" as kira, but i guess she could've been talking about herself

[KoKo37]

Originally posted by: AtHRunOwNZaLL

Originally posted by: Kensee
Was it me, or did Matsumoto mention a baby to Gin? This mean Matsumoto was a mother to Gin's child or wha? That would explain the Valley of the Gods, but then it would change her title from flashy bombshell to MILF .... -_-

i hadn't watched the episode yet but about what matsumoto said, when i read the manga i thought she was referring to "child" as kira, but i guess she could've been talking about herself

well i just watched the espisode and i also thought the babie she was talking about was Kira because she was just fighting him and then went to that flashback lol