I forgot where I heard this or seen it, but I think it was Itachi who said there are only 3 people capable of using the Mangekyou Sharingan. Himself, Sasuke, and someone else. Is that Kakashi?
The Sharingan discriptions on naruto fansites say that Kakashi can't obtain it cuz he isn't a true Uchiha, but chapter 276 proves it wrong.
So... Did Kakashi copy it from Itachi during their first encounter, or is there more to it than meets the eye?
In my opinion Itachi didn't know Kakashi was capable after he explained about the 3 people, for the reason you stated, that he isn't a Uchiha. I think there's someone else.
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its kakashi
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no.. itachi never knew kakashi could use it at that time, so he means someone else, prehaps its like Obito or something.. although he died could be like a plot twist or something that he survived XD, or prehaps that the 3rd user is the akatsuki leader, since in the last panel of chapter 238, the leaders eye's black rings connect at exactly 3 spots, XD but it will be explained eventually in the manga.. probally -.- lol
G0$ 3])it : also what im curious about is what the "true meaning of Uchiha" is that sasake and itachi read under the tatami mat thing XD
1 more edit XD : of maybe the aksuki leader is Obito!! lol jus a thought XD
KoKo37, this is the Open Discussion. Anyone who comes here is fully aware that manga material not yet shown in the anime will be discussed.
As for the topic, I agree with Azazel. It's obviously not Kakashi. He would be the 4th.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
actually come to think of it.. he did say "capable", so maybe it was like that Shishun guy. ( i forget his name, was the guy itachi killed to get mangekyou sharigan XD so il jus call him Shishun.. close enough lol ) because maybe it was Shishun that wanted to kill Itachi in order to gain mangekyou, and Itachi killed him in self defense, thus gaining the mangekyou sharigan, and like then maybe Shishun while dying told him to go to the scroll place and stuff and it pissed Itachi off or something so thats why he killed everyone -.- lol. so maybe its like a super plot twist and Itachi's not really evil and the Uchiha clan was planning to do something bad or somthing so he killed everyone.. -.- lol, course that still leaves a bunch of questions n stuff but just a theory XD
Who would be the fourth what?[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]Originally posted by: XanBcoo
It's obviously not Kakashi. He would be the 4th.
The fourth Hokage.
What the hell do you think I mean? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] Itachi said that after Sasuke is able to use mangekyou, he would be the 3rd person to be able to use it. Seeing as how Itachi had no idea that Kakashi would some day develope his own mangekyou, he was not referring to Kakashi, but another person. Kakashi would be the 4th user of mangekyou.
I am kind of curious to know how Itachi knows all this information.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
i bet he got all the information from the evil scroll under the 7th tami mat thingy lol.Originally posted by: XanBcoo
The fourth Hokage.
What the hell do you think I mean? [img][/img] Itachi said that after Sasuke is able to use mangekyou, he would be the 3rd person to be able to use it. Seeing as how Itachi had no idea that Kakashi would some day develope his own mangekyou, he was not referring to Kakashi, but another person. Kakashi would be the 4th user of mangekyou.
I am kind of curious to know how Itachi knows all this information.
Kakashi would be the 4th "Mangekyou Sharigan" user because Itachi said before that besides him and Sasuke only 1 other person was able to use it, and he did not know about Kakashi could be able to at that time, my guess is Obito that'll be a gosu plot twist lol .Originally posted by: God#2
Who would be the fourth what?[img][/img]Originally posted by: XanBcoo
It's obviously not Kakashi. He would be the 4th.
theres it again if you already forgot it -.- lol
Hmmm... I thought Kakashi was able to copy the Mangekyou, but maybe not.
I do think it has something to do with Obito though.
UH, Obito is dead, so good luck with that.
He was talking about Kakashi as the third person, there is no way he could have not known about Kakashi's sharingan.
He was referring to Mangekyou Sharingan. Now, I have not read the manga, but I was under the impression that Itachi found out about Kakashi's Mangekyou at the same time we did - that is, very recently.
There is no way he could have known Kakashi was the third person nearly 10 years prior. He was referring to someone else, making Kakashi the 4th user.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
My only explanation for Kakashi obtaining the Mangekyou Sharingan is that he copied it from Itachi when they first encountered.Originally posted by: XanBcoo
He was referring to MANGEKYOU Sharingan. Now, I have not read the manga, but I was under the impression that Itachi found out about Kakashi's Mangekyou at the same time we did - that is, very recently.
There is no way he could have known Kakashi was the third person nearly 10 years prior. He was referring to someone else, making Kakashi the 4th user.
Kakashi didn't kill his best friend.
Which brings me to another point. I believe Itachi killed off his clan so no one could copy his Mangekyou.
I HIGHLY doubt that a bloodline limit like Mangekyou Sharingan is copiable. Bloodline limits cannot be copied, and he did not copy it from Itachi.
And technically, Kakashi might have "killed" Obito, at least in his own mind. After obtaining the Sharigan and seeing his friend die (by what he beleived to be his own actions), he could have obtained Mangekyou.
This, of course, destroys my other point, as Kakashi would have had Mangekyou WAY before the current timeline, making it possible that Itachi was referring to him as the 3rd user. Kakashi might have also just recently developed his version of Mangekyou through other means (hinted at by Sasuke's "I'll find my own way to become strong").
I guess it just depends on how Kakashi got his Mangekyou.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
i know hes dead, im just saying that it could be a plot twist and maybe hes still alive and was the third user XD, also if Obito was alive and obtained Mangekyou, maybe thats another reason why Kakashis sharigan could too XDOriginally posted by: Necromas
UH, Obito is dead, so good luck with that.
He was talking about Kakashi as the third person, there is no way he could have not known about Kakashi's sharingan.
For that to work, Obito would have to kill his best friend.Originally posted by: KoKo37
i know hes dead, im just saying that it could be a plot twist and maybe hes still alive and was the third user XD, also if Obito was alive and obtained Mangekyou, maybe thats another reason why Kakashis sharigan could too XDOriginally posted by: Necromas
UH, Obito is dead, so good luck with that.
He was talking about Kakashi as the third person, there is no way he could have not known about Kakashi's sharingan.
Um are you stupid? He simply said Kakshi COULD get the mangekyou not that he already had one, if he was saying that, he'd also be implying that Sasuke already had one.Originally posted by: XanBcoo
He was referring to Mangekyou Sharingan. Now, I have not read the manga, but I was under the impression that Itachi found out about Kakashi's Mangekyou at the same time we did - that is, very recently.
There is no way he could have known Kakashi was the third person nearly 10 years prior. He was referring to someone else, making Kakashi the 4th user.
I'm pretty sure Itachi never said "Kakashi is capable of awakening the Mangekyou Sharingan within." or some anything similar to that. Yes, he said it to Sasuke, but I don't remember Itachi saying Kakashi is one of the three.Originally posted by: Necromas
Um are you stupid? He simply said Kakshi COULD get the mangekyou not that he already had one, if he was saying that, he'd also be implying that Sasuke already had one.Originally posted by: XanBcoo
He was referring to Mangekyou Sharingan. Now, I have not read the manga, but I was under the impression that Itachi found out about Kakashi's Mangekyou at the same time we did - that is, very recently.
There is no way he could have known Kakashi was the third person nearly 10 years prior. He was referring to someone else, making Kakashi the 4th user.
EDIT: After rewatching the episode, Itachi says in episode 131, at about 9 minutes in, that if Sasuke awakens the Mangekyou Sharingan within him, there will be 3 inluding Itachi who have ever used it.
Itachi doesn't mention who the 3rd is... So... It's not 100% correct that Kakashi is the 3rd.
No, I'm not stupid. But what the fuck are you talking about? Where is that quote coming from? My point was, assuming Kakashi only recently acquired his Mangekyou, there is no way Itachi was referring to Kakashi as being the third user because he didn't know about it back then. In this case, Kakashi is the 4th Mangekyou user.Originally posted by: Necromas
Um are you stupid? He simply said Kakshi COULD get the mangekyou not that he already had one, if he was saying that, he'd also be implying that Sasuke already had one.Originally posted by: XanBcoo
He was referring to Mangekyou Sharingan. Now, I have not read the manga, but I was under the impression that Itachi found out about Kakashi's Mangekyou at the same time we did - that is, very recently.
There is no way he could have known Kakashi was the third person nearly 10 years prior. He was referring to someone else, making Kakashi the 4th user.
Of course if Kakashi acquired his Mangekyou early in his life (after Obito's death of course), and has had it throughout the series, it is very probable that Itachi meant Kakashi was the third user.
For reference, according to AonE's translation of episode 131, Itachi tells Sasuke: "If you awaken it, there will be three people, including me, who have ever used the Mangekyou Sharingan."
EDIT: Blah, I didn't see Divinity's post.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
I believe Necromas is refering to XanBcoo, not Itachi, when he says "he."Originally posted by: Divinity
I'm pretty sure Itachi never said "Kakashi is capable of awakening the Mangekyou Sharingan within." or some anything similar to that. Yes, he said it to Sasuke, but I don't remember Itachi saying Kakashi is one of the three.Originally posted by: Necromas
Um are you stupid? He simply said Kakshi COULD get the mangekyou not that he already had one, if he was saying that, he'd also be implying that Sasuke already had one.Originally posted by: XanBcoo
He was referring to Mangekyou Sharingan. Now, I have not read the manga, but I was under the impression that Itachi found out about Kakashi's Mangekyou at the same time we did - that is, very recently.
There is no way he could have known Kakashi was the third person nearly 10 years prior. He was referring to someone else, making Kakashi the 4th user.
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