Bah, servants don't have memory of their past summonings - its explained in game - they are outside cycle of time, and only copies are summoned to world without memory of other copies. This topic was necromanced arleady so don't warn me for it please :]
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Anyone who has played the UBW route of the game knows Archer's story is very morbid and dispirited. Hardly one that would make a very nice anime. The FSN anime doesn't really touch his character deep enough to let you know.
There are lots of people in the audience who hate Shirou, and while I didn't exactly enjoy him as a main character, you have to admit his one-sidedness is actually deeper than great many better developed and more believable ordinary characters. Gross flaws can give enormous potential.
And, Xelbair, this forum has no such necromancy rules. Only useless necromancy is ill tolerated. Otherwise it's the contrary: If a thread exists already, no matter how old, you may not make a new one for the same series.
I'm also pretty sure that a seperate thread was created to discuss the game... so lets keep those borderline game spoilers in that thread. Don't want them here on the off chance that a sequel for this series is made.
Its immposible to make sequel - all routes in game are other storylines and the anime combined them all(which is bad compared to game)... well its possible but that would be based on another game Fate\Hollow Ataraxia.
p.s.
Munsu - i really cant belive in your post counter - over 10k posts in 5 years. Awesome.
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Oh course it's possible to have a "sequel", they just need to do an alternate retelling.
Such thing is not unusual.
Heck, the non-existent Tsukihime anime would need that too.
If they ever tried to make a Tsukihime anime, I would think it would be a lot harder. Didn't the Tsukihime game have a lot more story paths than the 3 of F/SN? I don't think that Satsuki really got her own storyline, though she is in several other ones. I haven't played it, but I believe that both Hisui and Kohaku had their own separate endings. That's two not including Arcueid and the main heroine, Akiha.
Arc, Ciel, Akiha, Hisui, Kohaku for a total of 9 endings.
It's more like two complete storylines. The Arc/Ciel storyline is quite different from the Akiha/Hisui/Kohaku storyline and if they want, they can make an anime purely based on the latter one. IMO, it's not as good as the Arc/Ciel storyline.
Well, considering there's a Remake of Tsukihime (Visual Novel) due for 2009 (or 2010? I'm not sure) We can hope a new anime based on that one. And from the current information, it should also have the missing Sacchin route.
Only on episode 7 but loving it. So far the story seems thought out, good characterization, can't wait for some of the larger battles.
They dislike shirou because they only know his idealistic side, the one that was presented to them in the Fate route and the anime.Originally Posted by Kraco
I disagree with you, i think a UBW based anime would do very well, not only would it already have a fan base it would present many of the character in a new and, in my opinion, better way. Of all the routes, it's the one that feels more real to me.
The one route that will never be passed to anime will probably be HF, but for different reasons.
Actually you don't disagree with me. I said "a very nice" in the sense it wouldn't be quite as clean, friendly, and smooth as the Fate route. It would make a good anime, of course, just not a very nice one compared to the existing mostly Fate based one. Kind of grisly. I'd love it, naturally. But who knows, we have shows like Ga-Rei Zero already so the UBW atmosphere wouldn't be anything new in the end.
it started with shirou "staying" at school so long and his encounter with Archer and Lancer
then shortly after, he got chosen as a Magus -> Fate
but it has probably more to do with them fighting at night only... absolutely everything happens at night in the anime.
btw, a sequel for Fate/Stay Night wouldn't be impossible... Saber destroyed the Holy Grail in the previous Grail War too (that's why the town was destroyed and Shirou was the only lucky one to survive... fate? ^^), yet it appeared again...
so, it's not like the whole thing about the Holy Grail Wars is over now.
what I don't know is if Saber is still considered a useable Hero for the Holy Grail War...
She accepted what happened in her live and ordered Bedivere to return Excalibur to the Lady of the Lake and her life ended... so she doesn't desire the it anymore, right?..
The "dream" as she called it, showed her that she doesn't have to seek to undo the fact that SHE became the "king", we can't except the dying king arthur to know about the holy grail wars and what happened in them though.. it's probably more like her subconsciousness tells her that (because of her spirit which fought in the holy grail wars and eventually became Shirou's servant)
at least thats what I made out of it
So the next War might be with a different pool of heroes to choose from, but I don't know if it is possible for Saber to delete the contract she made with the Holy Grail or if her spirit really has to fight forever, even if she doesn't want the Holy Grail anymore.
well...but this is IF there is a next Holy Grail War... for some reason everyone says that the grail is *really* destroyed this time... I can't find out why though... didn't Shirou's father do the same thing with the 4th Holy grail?
that's why saber thought he betrayed her... or not? he ordered saber to destroy it with his command spell
if it ends right there it would be pointless... it has to end how UBW ends, then it would make sense imhoI think it would be really cool if they made a sequal of how shiro develops into archer, and maybe have the end of the that series be the same as the beginning of the first series, with archer appearing as Rin's servant.
the "new" Archer will learn from the other Archer's mistakes and not be defeated by Berserker... well, basically he will do what he does in the game (UBW) and so on, because he knows what will happen if he doesn't ^^
It would be very nice to see someone like Shirou to become a person like Archer...
the process would be *very* interesting.. the game did a great job there but I really would like to see the point where his personality switched and he boiled over.
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yet, it would be very difficult to tell the story...
would you tell the "new"(from Archer-Shirou's point of view) grail war from old-Shirou' point of view (like in the game)? or from Archer's point of of view? Or maybe from both (like in UBW at the end, just throughout the whole story and not only towards the end )?
Because the main story doesn't end with Archer, but with shirou and the holy grail war... the viewers would want to know what happens with the Holy Grail, Shirou and Saber etc.
and if you focus on Shirou too much, you might get another F/S-N again and you won't "develop enough feelings" for Archer.
The beginning is really difficult to tell.. you don't want to see too much of it again, but you need it so much! The later parts of UBW would be absolutely no problems to adapt into an anime because they are all new. You can even put Shirou's journey (namely how he became Archer) in the very beginning, with scenes how he tried to save people and such and what happened when he tried that. This would give you a pretty good introduction and you can work with that alot in an anime or movie.
The tricky part is where Fate and UBW are exactly the same.. I don't know, maybe you guys have an Idea how to solve this out?
I always end up with the problem, that the Grail War also has to end and if you don't involve Shirou enough, the later part of the story might become boring because the viewer doesn't really care about Shirou after Archer's story is finished (hell it's difficult to explain this without talking about a few details from the game)
I think it is *really* difficult to make a sequel for Fate/Stay Night if you want the same characters in it but I'd really appreciate it if they show us Archer's story together with the UBW route in an anime-sequel of Fate/Stay night ^^.
but as I said.. Archer shouldn't die like he did in the anime... the story should be thesame as in UBW
I hope my text didn't turn out too complicated... but it's really difficult to explain everything without spoiling and the biggest problem is that Fate Stay Night is really complex by itself.. so even with spoiling it is nonetheless a difficult subject
but I also thought about a possible sequel and such when I finished UBW for the first time.. I always thought that Archer's story would be perfect for it but I had problems with the "script" if you know what I mean. Might be interesting to hear your ideas about it, to give me back my peace of mind :/ even if you have to read through my engrish hehe
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hmm but I think it is impossible to talk about a sequel without mentioning the game too much and get offtopic.
however, if an anime sequel like UBW is written and animated well, it could easily become a hit... because the story is very touching, just like the original. The only difference is that it is more manly since it is more testosterone-loaded xD
GAR!!!!
edit: marked the text as "spoilers" even though I gave my best to hide them... but maybe something slipped through.. you decide
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They explain this a lot better in the Fate route of the game.
Saber "broke" the Holy Grail in the previous war, when she was the servant of Shirou's father, the Angra Mainyu corrupted the grail in a much eariler War, and its essense spilled onto Kotomine and his servant Gilgamesh (an Archer) corrupting the two of them. However, Saber and Shirou together destroyed the Holy Grail outright at the end of this war.
Again, this was mentioned in the anime, albeit briefly, but better explained in the game (even with a flow chart!).so, it's not like the whole thing about the Holy Grail Wars is over now.
what I don't know is if Saber is still considered a useable Hero for the Holy Grail War...
She accepted what happened in her live and ordered Bedivere to return Excalibur to the Lady of the Lake and her life ended... so she doesn't desire the it anymore, right?..
(because of her spirit which fought in the holy grail wars and eventually became Shirou's servant)
So the next War might be with a different pool of heroes to choose from, but I don't know if it is possible for Saber to delete the contract she made with the Holy Grail or if her spirit really has to fight forever, even if she doesn't want the Holy Grail anymore.
Saber, strictly speaking...isn't a spirit. Because of Arturia's obsession with finding the Holy Grail, as she lay dying, she is pulled into the Holy Grail wars across time by the power of the Grail. She's alive, and each time she returns to that spot, still dying, she takes back her memories of each war she participates back with her. That's why she remembers Shirou's father. Spirits don't retain any information from their participation in the Grail Wars. Each time they are summoned, they only remember what they took from their past lives. The only exception, of course, is Archer. It would be a spoiler to say why, as it was only alluded to in the anime.
With Saber finding the Holy Grail (even if she destroyed it) she fulfilled her only regret in life as she lay dying. She learned that she didn't need to obtain it, just finish the quest for it. She would not return again.
Kotomine explained this in the anime. They couldn't destroy it, it disappeared after Kiritsugu and Saber damaged it.well...but this is IF there is a next Holy Grail War... for some reason everyone says that the grail is *really* destroyed this time... I can't find out why though... didn't Shirou's father do the same thing with the 4th Holy grail?
[spoilers]Spoiling from an anime point of view, but whatever, his identity was heavily implied by seeing Rin's jewel when he faded. Archer exists from an alternate reality in the future. He, unlike Saber, is not a fluid entity. He is a holy spirit from the future, and any events in his past are unchangable. It may seem that he is, but that is only because he participated in this set of events. What happened to him happened, he remains consistent through all three arcs of the game.[Spoilers]
Two of the arcs he persists in saying, "It won't happen again," while in another, he very noticably shifts to "It is happening again." If you complete enough of the bad endings in that arc, you also learn exactly which one it is, as it says it plain as day.
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You see the singular decision that crushes Shirou in that arc of the game.
You can't show Archer's origin without showing that arc. Shirou doesn't change into who will eventually become Archer until after a certain point in that arc.
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For those interested, Thora's releasing Fate/Stay Night in 720p via IRC.
http://www.thoranime.org/?p=1045
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
I don't honestly think with FSN's less than stellar graphics quality 550MB per episode is in any way justifiable. Yet, being such a miserable FSN fanboy, I'm still downloading them...
So i'm not the only one, damn i must watch fate for 3rd time.(and play through UBW for 2nd time too)
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800 Megas for the last episode... that's just insane >_>
Well i watched the anime for the first time and i enjoyed it
It doesn't hold a candle to the game, but i already saw that one coming and the way it merged topics from all 3 paths was pretty ingenious and well done
And btw there's a prequel (Fate/Zero), a sequel (Ataraxia) and 3 more paths so why is this the only anime made by the fate company?
Do they have something against making money? Start milking those licenses you idiots!
I've started watching the hd version of fate, but i'm back to playing the UBW route in the game for one more time.
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The best news since the last best news:
UBW movie announced
A whole new series based on the UBW (or any route) would have been a bit too much to ask, and since Type-Moon seems to be liking movies of late (like Kara no Kyoukai) a movie was almost to be expected if anything.
Finally Rin will win also in animation.
Shit, this is an awesome occasion but i can't think of anything witty or meaningful to say...
I'll go with a resounding "FUCK YEAH!"
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