Orochimaru vs. Uchiha Itachi

**The Heretic Azazel** · Thu, 10-20-2005, 10:55 PM

To your stations, soldiers.

**heero** · Thu, 10-20-2005, 11:01 PM

itachi

**BioAlien** · Fri, 10-21-2005, 12:14 AM

Orochimaru

**XanBcoo** · Fri, 10-21-2005, 12:20 AM

Gaara.

oh, wait.

Orochimaru.

**el_boss** · Fri, 10-21-2005, 07:56 AM

Since Orochimaru has like all the techniques ever created, he should have one that counters sharingan somehow. But since he doesn't have an optimal body now I think that Itachi would win. I haven't read the manga so my viewpoint is from the anime only.

**Shinda** · Fri, 10-21-2005, 08:47 AM

Itachi. despite the techniques Oro has, Itachi's MS would still kick Oro's ass.

**vasco** · Fri, 10-21-2005, 08:52 AM

My vote on Orochimaru this time, since he so tough. he got so many hit from Tsunade, still alive... (which mean he has very high HP?)
but, I never see Itachi get any damage so far, so he may has very low HP (or high, we don't know),
EDITED
and he said he at most could die with Jiraiya. (orochimaru = Jiraiya?)

**darkmetal505** · Fri, 10-21-2005, 09:49 AM

didnt orochimaru say somewhere that he wasnt as strong as itachi or something.... its somewhere, im sure about that.

itachi

**Psyke** · Fri, 10-21-2005, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by: darkmetal505
didnt orochimaru say somewhere that he wasnt as strong as itachi or something.... its somewhere, im sure about that.

itachi

Yes, Orochimaru himself had said that he couldn't defeat Itachi as he was stronger. Pretty obvious to me who would win then....

**The Heretic Azazel** · Fri, 10-21-2005, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by: darkmetal505
didnt orochimaru say somewhere that he wasnt as strong as itachi or something.... its somewhere, im sure about that.

itachi

That reason is pure shit.

Come on, where are the people from the Sasuke/Neji thread that presented their opinions so articulately?

I'll post mine later. No more bullshit reasons like "he admitted Itachi was stronger" and "Jiraiya ran from Itachi so he must be stronger." That doesn't have shit to do with anything when it all comes down to it.

**darkmetal505** · Fri, 10-21-2005, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel

Originally posted by: darkmetal505
didnt orochimaru say somewhere that he wasnt as strong as itachi or something.... its somewhere, im sure about that.

itachi

That reason is pure shit.

Come on, where are the people from the Sasuke/Neji thread that presented their opinions so articulately?

I'll post mine later. No more bullshit reasons like "he admitted Itachi was stronger" and "Jiraiya ran from Itachi so he must be stronger." That doesn't have shit to do with anything when it all comes down to it.

uh... no it isnt.... why would oro say itachi was stronger than him if he wasnt afraid of him or knew that he would loose. If i knew that the 200 pound football player was stronger than me, i would say so. so reason pure shit my ass

oh yea everything in naruto is contradictory, such as the oro vs itachi vs jiraya... dont dwell on it... itll just mess with your mind

**The Heretic Azazel** · Fri, 10-21-2005, 04:09 PM

Just because he thinks he'll be beat (he doesn't KNOW) doesn't mean he will be beat.

Oro has easily thousands of jutsus at his disposal, a technique that allows him to shed his old decaying body, and can definitely be considered a genius. He was trained by the Third, possibly the most powerful Hokage ever (as he did beat the First and Second.) Orochimaru is a master at taijutsu, ninjutsu as well as genjutsu, though the genjutsu may not do much against the Mangekyou sharingan, I would venture to say he would know how to handle any inferior sharingan level.

Itachi is a skilled marksman. He became a Chuunin at what, 6? He was probably the Uchiha with the most potential and definitely lived up to it. We haven't seen much in the way of ninjutsu or taijutsu from Itachi, though his complete ease in blocking Chidori should be testament to his hand-to-hand strength. Of course, he has the Mangekyou sharingan, complete with Amatersu and Tsukiyomi.

I'm sure most of you will agree with the fact that it all rides on how Oro can handle the mangekyou sharingan. He has genjutsu of his own, he has an extreme talent in this too, being a non-sharingan holder. Can Oro watch how Itachi moves by avoiding his eyes and watching his feet? I'm very confident he can. Also, as powerful as Itachi has, Oro is older, wiser and has more experience. He is very intelligent. Not to sell Itachi short, he could be a smart fighter, but with Mangekyou, I don't think he's really needed to be a smart fighter a lot. That's his trump card, one look and we have to think it would be over.

I'm taking Orochimaru for the above reasons. Oro has to escape Mangekyou for this to happen or avoid it altogether. I don't know if it can be escaped, but I know Oro is smart and powerful enough to catch Itachi by surprise by an almost unlimited arsenal of techniques.

**Jadugar** · Fri, 10-21-2005, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
Come on, where are the people from the Sasuke/Neji thread that presented their opinions so articulately?

Itachi.

Your thread sucks. ( In my articulate opinion)

**The Heretic Azazel** · Fri, 10-21-2005, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by: Jadugar

Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
Come on, where are the people from the Sasuke/Neji thread that presented their opinions so articulately?

Itachi.

Your thread sucks. ( In my articulate opinion)

Sorry it doesn't meet the greatness of the Kiba/Lee thread, fucker!

**Strider** · Fri, 10-21-2005, 11:02 AM

Itachi.

Is this for real?

**vasco** · Fri, 10-21-2005, 11:35 AM

If Itachi alone can win Orochimaru, then why the "aka...-something" with 7 people (one is Itachi) still let orochimaru alive?

**Edort4** · Fri, 10-21-2005, 01:04 PM

Orochimaru with no doubt!

Common we know what orochimaru said but is just that he is affraid of losing, in the end he is quite coward everytime he sees his precious life at risk runs away, he wants to be inmortal, he doesnt have the guts to risk everything on a fight. Thats the main difference between orochimaru and jiray, jiraya could give his life away to defeat some1 just like the 3th and the 4th hokage, those are real badasses.

But even without stupid plot mechanics made by kishimoto imagine itachi fighting orochimaru, if he used some resurrection jutsu like with the 2 kages, common mangekyou works for nothing. Can u really gentsuju some1 who is dead(doesnt have fellings) to enter comma state affraid of pain and dying? Ridiculous. What orochimaru said was nothing more than a plot device, and his fear to die when he can live forever.

**isso** · Fri, 10-21-2005, 01:31 PM

itachi

Orichimaru siad it himself when speaking about aksuti or whatthe group was called!

**heero** · Fri, 10-21-2005, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by: vasco
If Itachi alone can win Orochimaru, then why the "aka...-something" with 7 people (one is Itachi) still let orochimaru alive?

because he is not a threat to them. Look at akatsuki's goals and look at orochimaru's. they don't really cross.

**LobsterMagnet** · Fri, 10-21-2005, 02:31 PM

Here is the problem that lies within the Orchimaro vs. Itachi debate. Orchimaro clearly states that itachi is stronger then him. Itachi clearly states that Jiraiya is stronger then him. Yet Orchimaro has no fear of Jiraiya and fights him even when he has the handicape of not being able to use his arms. Here lies the dillema. Until we see them fight there really is no way to assume that one could beat the other. I think the reason why Orchimaro fears itachi so much is because he has some sort of fruiedian inferiority complex when it comes to those with bloodlines. He sees them as perfect and since he really dosen't have one he's envious and fearful of them.

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