Blood+

[Kraco]

Solomon died in the alley? Right after that one fight. He met Amshel there, but Amshel didn't even need to do anything, before Solomon turned into stone. I think that was a pretty clear scene. Maybe Diva's chevaliers every now and then were saved from that fate, like James, but it required some vats, replacement bodyparts, Diva's blood, and other things not available without Amshel and Diva's blessing. I doubt Solomon received such treatment after his betrayal.

Nathan said he was Diva's chevalier just before Saya killed him. Of course he could have lied, but I see no reason for that. Why would a man lie about such things just before he got killed willingly?

[Nai]

Solomon died in the alley? Right after that one fight. He met Amshel there, but Amshel didn't even need to do anything, before Solomon turned into stone. I think that was a pretty clear scene.

I guess. It just didn't seem particularly conclusive. We never saw Solomon actually die, we just saw his limbs shatter and then the marks on his chin as Amshel held him. That is what irks me. We've seen every Chevalier die clearly except Solomon and arguably Nathan as he fell down that hole after being sliced in two.

I'd still like to know why they focused so much on Amshel leaving his ring behind before his final fight with Haji as well. It was something that really stood out to me as the ring in the past was what clearly marked him out when he took on other forms. Then again, maybe I'm over analyzing out of hope that there's more to it.

Nathan said he was Diva's chevalier just before Saya killed him. Of course he could have lied, but I see no reason for that. Why would a man lie about such things just before he got killed willingly?

But how did he possess as much knowledge as he did if he was even younger than Amshel? He knew that Diva's blood would lose its potential to kill Saya after she gave birth and yet Amshel and other Chevaliers seemed completely unaware of this. Hell, even Diva herself was taken by shock when she realized it had no effect on Saya. Another thing worth pondering is his threat towards Amshel in which he insinuated being a much older Chevalier.

[Darknodin]

Nathan said he was Diva's chevalier just before Saya killed him. Of course he could have lied, but I see no reason for that. Why would a man lie about such things just before he got killed willingly?

i'm not saying he lied... he was Diva's chevalier... but he might have been Miru's Chevalier before that and for whatever reason switched. then he thought it had been fun and let himself be killed.

[masamuneehs]

lots of good discussion going on here.

Nathan... wtf? I got my hopes up too, that he'd be a Chevalier from before Saya and Diva, but it seems not to be. He got cut pretty good, and I felt he was dead gone. Nai is right, it's a friggin huge plot hole that he'd know Diva would lose her potency after bearing children but Amschel did not know. I mean, the one guy friggin studied her for over 100 years, and the other one (a theatre queen) figures it out and doesn't tell anyone?

At first I thought Solomon wasn't dead, but it's fairly clear he didn't make it out of that alley. They could have given him more air time on his send-off though...

What makes everyone so sure that Amschel is dead? I'm not sure why (maybe it's just hoping there will be more action in this show), but I don't believe he's done yet. Yeah he got owned pretty royally (BS fight btw, but good animation), but part of me doesn't want to accept that the final episode will really be a bunch of melodrama.

...but part of me knows it will be... Saya won't kill the kids. Haji loves her so he won't mind if she breaks the promise, and Kai will be the one screaming and yelling about how it doesn't matter that she has dracula blood, that she can be just as human as anyone else. And of course it'll work for the happy ending.

I certainly thought David, or at least Joel, would be sacrificial pieces towards the end. But even Lewis and Lulu look like they're going to make it...

Body count for the good guys:
Riku, George, all the damn Schiff (minus Lulu) and some Red Shield people that never lasted longer than two episodes... That's pretty low, especially when you consider there was nothing to help the Schiff, and most of them died before becoming good guys really...

Last loose end to clear up is Van Argeno and the Americans. That subplot always seemed pretty hazy, and ultimately it looks like they were all just patsies for Amschel. Aside from getting those Corpse Corp for the Schif to fight they really didn't have any affect on the story at all (as Amschel would have probably engineered something anyway, albeit with different partys involved)...

edit - rewatched the opening of the fight with Amschel. He lands first, suggesting he lead Haji down there for a reason.

Right before Hagi lands we see a mannequin with a blue dress flapping from the force of the two, and then Haji materializes next to it. Haji lunges, Amschel counters, the two switch sides. Haji throws a knife and Amschel shoots a fireball to block it, remaining on his side. They talk.

After Haji transforms Amschel asks "Does it take decapitation or total incenaration to kill a Chevalier?" While taking off his ring.

A quick shot of Haji.

A slow pan focusing on the mannequin. Amschel laughs and says that he must transform. Camera stays focused on the mannequin while Amschel's hand puts the ring inside. The second he puts it down he turns to fight.

Maybe I'm looking into this too much. But Amschel leading Hagi down there, taking measures to be next to the mannequin before the fight gets serious, and his question, plus the symbol of the mannequin "the fake body" all seem to be screaming that something is amiss here. It's still a wild theory, but I think Amschel is not dead.

[Kraco]

But how did he possess as much knowledge as he did if he was even younger than Amshel? He knew that Diva's blood would lose its potential to kill Saya after she gave birth and yet Amshel and other Chevaliers seemed completely unaware of this. Hell, even Diva herself was taken by shock when she realized it had no effect on Saya. Another thing worth pondering is his threat towards Amshel in which he insinuated being a much older Chevalier.

That's certainly a good point. And no real answers from the show, which makes it an excellent question. Of course it could be the truth that Nathan was just a show man with always an answer for everything, and when Saya didn't die, Nathan just cooked up that kind of answer to give. After all, there had to be some reason why Diva was turned into stone, and Saya wasn't. Personally I wouldn't immediately even count out this kind of answer, because it's something I do, myself, from time to time (not turn to stone but just throw in wild guesses as answers when nobody else has any better ones to give)... >_>

I took that scene where Amshel lists the ways how chevalier can be killed as a kind of cheap prelude to his death scene. It's true it was a strange fight after all the scenes where Amshel had been made to look so strong, but when he first mentions a chevalier can be killed by incenaration and later he gets roasted, I took that as a confirmed death. One reason being the series ends with the next episode and a queenless chevalier can't really do anything, anymore, except count the stars in the sky for all eternity.

[darkmetal505]

The only thing that doesn't make sense is: if Nathan was a Chevalier before Saya's or Diva's time, how did Saya's blood kill him?

Maybe the next generation's blood can kill previous ones? That's why Amschel removed the babies from Diva, rather than having them be born through the natural process. If I'm correct, I remember him pulling the eggs out of the stomach of Saya and Diva's mother.

[Kraco]

Maybe the next generation's blood can kill previous ones? That's why Amschel removed the babies from Diva, rather than having them be born through the natural process. If I'm correct, I remember him pulling the eggs out of the stomach of Saya and Diva's mother.

Ah! Man, do I feel myself stupid... Only now did it occur to me why Diva's blood lost its potency: It was a natural reaction so that she could carry the twins. If she still had been dangerous to the other queen, she would have very likely killed one of the two babies during the pregnancy. So, it was a perfectly resonable and logical thing that her blood wasn't anymore poisonous.

[mr3vi1m0nk3y]

http://shinsen.b33r.net/%5BShinsen-S...5D.avi.torrent

the last eps of blood+. one of my favorite series is now over with a more than worth ending. man i hope they have some OVA's to show what happened to everyone else

[Death13a]

Truly great anime with very well done ending that is satisfying and leaves good space for ova/movie. Well running out of Great animes to watch...

[Kraco]

Ah. yes. It was a good ending. Can't really say a sad one, quite the contrary, but in the end a series like this can surely use a happy ending. It was such a long struggle for the characters in it.

Hmm... Kai will already be an old geezer when Saya next time wakes up. I wonder how lonely an old geezer, though. Apparently the twins may stay awake for a good while when they are growing up, but eventually they will join Saya in the tomb.

But yes, it's quite sad this series is finally over. With 50 episodes, it was always there for a good long while.

[darkshadow]

Great conclusion of a great series, if there is ever gonna be an ova, i hope the same guy will direct it.

[NeoCybercoin]

Sweet! So Nathan really was their mother's Chevalier. Or Auntie Chevalier. Anyway I think it was a good ending.I still wanna know what happens to Nathan now.

[Board of Command]

Nathan shouldn't have survived. He was clearly killed and petrified in the previous episode and it doesn't matter how powerful he is because he died and that's that.

[Knives122]

(asking without watching the ep) So let me get this straight, the reason why Saya's blood didn't work on Nathan was b/c she was the child of the queen that gave her blood to him?

[Board of Command]

But it did work. He was turned to stone.

[Knives122]

Well like I said I haven't seen the ep yet, so I was making an educated guess.(waits for ep to dl)

[xDarkMaster]

I thought the ending was rather...bad. I mean, it went against so many things that were already established. How many people came back to life that shouldn't have? And since when could Saya do the cool super-fast moving thing? There were just too many things that seemed to be just stuck in there for me.

Over all it was a good show though.

[NeoCybercoin]

Board I watched 49 again you dont see him turn to stone and break apart. You only see a close up on his Chevalier form thats falling back and then you just hear the sound of him hitting the ground. And that sound wasnt liket the sound of him breaking apart.

And yeah I am wondering how Saya could move so fast all of tge sudden.

[Board of Command]

I thought the ending was rather...bad. I mean, it went against so many things that were already established. How many people came back to life that shouldn't have? And since when could Saya do the cool super-fast moving thing? There were just too many things that seemed to be just stuck in there for me.

Over all it was a good show though.

I agree. Haji is the one character that should have died for good, otherwise it just contradicts what Kai was preaching to her.

[mr3vi1m0nk3y]

Ah. yes. It was a good ending. Can't really say a sad one, quite the contrary, but in the end a series like this can surely use a happy ending. It was such a long struggle for the characters in it.

Hmm... Kai will already be an old geezer when Saya next time wakes up. I wonder how lonely an old geezer, though. Apparently the twins may stay awake for a good while when they are growing up, but eventually they will join Saya in the tomb.

But yes, it's quite sad this series is finally over. With 50 episodes, it was always there for a good long while.

didnt they mention that saya and diva only sleep for 7 years or am i just getting that mixed up?