Sasuke VS Neji

[darkshadow]

he didnt get faster with the curse seal lvl2, he really didnt he doesnt get any faster with the curse seal lvl 2 in the game either, it just increases his strength and chakra, and he has the ability to fly around, just think about it, moving at insane speeds with those "wings" isnt really aerodynamic is it? in this case ( SOZ DBZ REFERENCE ) he did it WRONG, he increases strength and endurance, but no speed gain, maybe a little, but not the speed gain he gets after he goes cs lvl1,
im not saying he gets slower after cs1 he just doesnt get that much faster, naruto also gained insane speed when he whent kyuubi 1, but it seemed more like his strength gained when he went kyuubi 2 ( it also seemed he got a little slower )
IMO cs lvl 1 sasuke has a better chance against neji, having the speed advantage and stuff

edit: if he got through ti "just fine" it shouldve torn of gaara's arm/shoulder off as well, it didnt, it lost speed on impact, losing lots of its cutting power

[darkmetal505]

Well, I don't think its about the wings, and you might be right. I'll rewatch the episodes and post some screenshots I guess. The thing with Gaara's defense is his damn sand. It seems like Chidori can only cut through the part its touching. I think when the sand was repairing itself it stopped around Sasuke's biceps/shoulder, stopping him from going all the way. However, Neji's Kaiten isnt that "strong" physically compared to Gaara's. Since its just a whirl of chakra, Chidori should be able to kind of slice it.

Are you talking about Naruto 4 for gamecube? Well I'm getting the game and it seems like a half decent player can own with lvl 2 sasuke, kind of like a cheap characters (from the videos I've seen). Also, if they made him really fast, neither the controller or opponent would know where he would show up.

[darkshadow]

no im talking about the 3rd game for ps2, and no he isnt even really fast, or fast, he is even a bit slower then in cs1, he just gains abnormal strength and chakra, gates gai/lee are really fast, itachi is a tad slower, and the 4th is insanely fast in the game, so making cs2 sasuke a bit faster wouldnt have been a problem

[drims]

its not the chidori that just cuts through anything, its the speed of the user that determines the cutting power, didnt he barely get through gaara's defense? im pretty positive he wouldnt get through the ultimate defense gaara used on kimimaro,

Exactly... With Cursed seal Sasuke becomes alot faster, furthering his chidoris ability to cut through anything.

and oh if you didnt know, chidori can easily be countered.......itachi anyone??

You cant compare Itachi and Sasuke at that time,, Itachi was at a Sannin + level, Sasuke was a Genin...

im still pretty sure post time jump neji is still a faster fighter then sasuke( 128strikes was already crazy fast, now try to imagine the speed of 361 strikes)

Im not denying the speed of Neji, but with Sasukes sharingan he is able to predict his movements and stop them. And DONT say that his sharingan can see his jyuuken strikes because his jyuuken strikes are not his bloodline limit. The attack is capable because of byakugan..

im pretty positive he wouldnt get through the ultimate defense gaara used on kimimaro,

Whats so hard about just running around that big bear defense of Gaara?

[darkshadow]

uhm did you totally NOT read my previous posts? on how sasuke does NOT get faster in cs2 and stuff? i used itachi as reference because he only had to grab the hand to stop the attack, do you really think that neji with his even better eye of insight will not see a linear attack like chidori coming? only a tap at sasuke's wrist would disable his hand, i really dont see chidori as the move that defeats neji, even though im rooting for neji, the only way sasuke is gonna defeat him, is either go cs2 and massively try and overpower neji.

or go cs1+3dot sharingan, and fight neji like he fought naruto ( i see more winning chance this way

edit: sinds gaara controls sand by will and the sand moved on its own too, im pretty damn sure the big bear/shukaku thing would move along if you tried to go around it

[drims]

Do you really think that neji with his even better eye of insight will not see a linear attack like chidori coming? only a tap at sasuke's wrist would disable his hand, i really dont see chidori as the move that defeats neji, even though im rooting for neji, the only way sasuke is gonna defeat him, is either go cs2 and massively try and overpower neji.

or go cs1+3dot sharingan, and fight neji like he fought naruto ( i see more winning chance this way

Chidori would leave the user weak since its such a straight head on attack, and it could happen that Neji could deflect Chidori by a "tap on the wrist..." ; but thats what his Sharingan is for; to predict whats going to happen and act as needed.

uhm did you totally NOT read my previous posts? on how sasuke does NOT get faster in cs2 and stuff?

Yes I did read your post ,and Cursed seal "the first level" does increase speed of the user. I think at the first level of cursed seal is enough to handle Neji. For reference check wikipedia. A very reliable site. And the link to the specifc information of cursed seal is below. Even they say the cursed seal increases speed though the increase of chakra.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naruto_jutsu

[heero]

You cant compare Itachi and Sasuke at that time,, Itachi was at a Sannin + level, Sasuke was a Genin....

a "tap on the wrist" does not require one to be a Sannin to do...

Well, that "ultimate defense" Gaara used on Kimi is a little shady as far as I'm concerned. Kimi could have just walked around the damn thing and Gaara would be screwed seeing that he had to put all his concentration into it. That always bothered me.

Kimi's spine was stuck into the bear thing when he wrapped it around Gaara.

[darkshadow]

Yes I did read your post ,and Cursed seal "the first level" does increase speed of the user. I think at the first level of cursed seal is enough to handle Neji. For reference check wikipedia. A very reliable site. And the link to the specifc information of cursed seal is below. Even they say the cursed seal increases speed though the increase of chakra.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naruto_jutsu

ok you totally did not read it, as i said he DOES get faster in cs1, but the speed gain ( if there is any ) is not noticable in cs2

here wiki just bit you:
A mark consisting of three comma-like dots (not unlike the Sharingan) appears on the victim's neck. It activates when the victim attempts to use chakra.
Level one increases chakra, and speed and strength.
Level two not only increases chakra and strength, but causes the user to sprout large, black wings from their back.

do you see speed listed in lvl2? instead of speed, he gains those wings

[XanBcoo]

a "tap on the wrist" does not require one to be a Sannin to do...

The difference in their speed and skill is so great though, that Itachi was easliy able to avoid the Chidori, just by grabbing his wrist.

It would be like me (hypothetically) saying "well, Neji was kicked in the face by Orochimaru, so he'd lose against anyone." A kick in the face is not hard to do, no? Yet the fact that he was countered by someone who is known to be one of the strongest in the series just shows what kind of skill is needed to do something like that. Even if Neji were to somehow avoid the Chidori, he'd get roughed-up by Sasuke anyway because of their difference in speed and power.

About the Level 2 curse seal, I agree with darkshadow. The second stage obviously does not make Sasuke a whole lot faster. But he's fast enough with the level 1 seal, the level 2 seal just guarantees the boost in power he'd need to kill Neji.

[drims]

ok you totally did not read it, as i said he DOES get faster in cs1, but the speed gain ( if there is any ) is not noticable in cs2

here wiki just bit you:
A mark consisting of three comma-like dots (not unlike the Sharingan) appears on the victim's neck. It activates when the victim attempts to use chakra.
Level one increases chakra, and speed and strength.
Level two not only increases chakra and strength, but causes the user to sprout large, black wings from their back.

do you see speed listed in lvl2? instead of speed, he gains those wings

......Yes I did read your post ,and Cursed seal "the first level" does increase speed of the user. I think at the first level of cursed seal is enough to handle Neji. For reference check wikipedia. A very reliable site. And the link to the specifc information of cursed seal is below. Even they say the cursed seal increases speed though the increase of chakra.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naruto_jutsu

When Did I claim cs2 increased Sasuke's speed? I said that the first level did ,and that this would be more than enough to take Neji; especially with his sharingan.

Did you read my post?

[farcityrid]

Don't you guys think that the battle will go hit for hit? From the posts, it appears that people are of the consensus that Sasuke will just own Neji.

For Sasuke to really hurt Neji, he would have to get in close and attack him. But once he gets there he could be leaving himself open to Neji's Divination Circle Attacks.

Strength against strength. This battle will not be an easy victory for either character. Most likely, the person that wins will be the person with the stamina. From what we saw in the manga, it is hard to tell who has more stamina.

I know there will be people that will contend that all Sasuke needs to do is activate his level one and two seal. I say fin. Yet remember that once the seals are activated, he is both harmed and helped by them. So, he can't just activate them and not expect any ill effects.

[darkshadow]

@drims
because the whole point of MY posts where that cs2 doesnt grant him the cs1 speedboost
so you obviously didnt read what i said, as i was saying too that cs1 grants him a large speed boost, yet you had to say:
...,and Cursed seal "the first level" does increase speed of the user.....

this sentence is an response to a "you said cs1 does NOT increase speed" comment, while i did say it increases >_>
please pick your sentences better.

[Naruto_RNG]

thank u farcityrid.
u guys are making such a big deal out of this cursed seal. as we've been told the cursed seal uses only the user's chakra, it doesn't add any. so u guys are saying sasuke will not loose any chakra while fighting neji and somewhere in middle of the fight he activates it and owns neji. first of all we're comparing two different people with two different fighting style. neji is a close combat person and sasuke is long range combat person. excluding chidori every other known move of sasuke at that time was long range. all of neji's moves are close combat type, so are u guys saying sasuke knows more about close combat type (taijutsu) moves more then neji? and neji's speed should be clear when he does that 128 or wut ever move he does. I didn't see any1 counter attacking it while it is being done.
Cursed seal is a good jutsu only for very short amount of time, neji can hide, run around take 2-3 hits, till the effect is over then sasuke is F-ed. neji already expreinced seal 2 lvl of fighting, so he think things through. unfortunatly i have no cluse of how the seal actually works due to the fact that it did not made any since in naruto vs. sasuke fight. if it did really use the users chakra then that fight would of been finished in a very different way.
and last wiki is not a good place for backing up your claims, they make a lot of stuff up, or take people idea and name it their own.

[XanBcoo]

thank u farcityrid.
u guys are making such a big deal out of this cursed seal. as we've been told the cursed seal uses only the user's chakra, it doesn't add any..

The curse seal increases the users chakra and simultaneously makes them faster and stronger. I don't know what you don't understand about this. This is why Sasuke is able to use more than 2 Chidori per day while it is activated. It also explains every other increase in skill whenever it has been activated (think back to when he first used it - "I am an avenger").

so u guys are saying sasuke will not loose any chakra while fighting neji and somewhere in middle of the fight he activates it and owns neji. first of all we're comparing two different people with two different fighting style. neji is a close combat person and sasuke is long range combat person. excluding chidori every other known move of sasuke at that time was long range. all of neji's moves are close combat type, so are u guys saying sasuke knows more about close combat type (taijutsu) moves more then neji? and neji's speed should be clear when he does that 128 or wut ever move he does. I didn't see any1 counter attacking it while it is being done.

For your first point, no. I am not saying that Sasuke will not loose any chakra. Both he and Neji will most likely expend mass ammounts of Chakra (especially if Neji relies so much on his Jyuuken style). Sasuke has the curse seal though, giving him a boost in this area.

For the second point, you are wrong. "every other known move of sasuke at that time was long range." What about Shishi Rendan? What about Sasuke's above-average speed and Taijutsu skills (not to mention the 3-pupil Sharingan...again). Also, the reason no one countered the Hakke Rokujyuu move is because of the instances it has been used. Once against an unsuspecting Naruto, once against a non-taijutsu user (actually, Kidomaru defended against this attack quite nicely - much how Sasuke would), and once against Spiders.

Cursed seal is a good jutsu only for very short amount of time, neji can hide, run around take 2-3 hits, till the effect is over then sasuke is F-ed. neji already expreinced seal 2 lvl of fighting, so he think things through.

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You are right about the curse seal. Sasuke wouldn't be able to use it for long, but that's all he'd need in order to beat Neji. The odds are in his favor. Neji would also not have the time to "Think things through" like he did with Kimimaro, because Sasuke would not give him the time to do so as Kidomaru did. I also don't see how experience of the urse seal plays any part in this fight though. What's there to know? That it makes them stronger?

Don't you guys think that the battle will go hit for hit?

Yes, I do. Neji is no pushover. I'm still inclined to believe the battle will end with Sasuke either dying after he has killed Neji, or severly injured as a result of the fight. Sasuke however, has more advantages over Neji over all, so he has a much better chance of winning in a fight like this.

This battle will not be an easy victory for either character. Most likely, the person that wins will be the person with the stamina. From what we saw in the manga, it is hard to tell who has more stamina.

I'll tell you now it's Sasuke. And yes, I'm referring to the effects of the curse seal.

Also, drims and darkshadow: Stop bickering. Now.

[darkmetal505]

thank u farcityrid.
u guys are making such a big deal out of this cursed seal. as we've been told the cursed seal uses only the user's chakra, it doesn't add any. so u guys are saying sasuke will not loose any chakra while fighting neji and somewhere in middle of the fight he activates it and owns neji. first of all we're comparing two different people with two different fighting style. neji is a close combat person and sasuke is long range combat person. excluding chidori every other known move of sasuke at that time was long range. all of neji's moves are close combat type, so are u guys saying sasuke knows more about close combat type (taijutsu) moves more then neji? and neji's speed should be clear when he does that 128 or wut ever move he does. I didn't see any1 counter attacking it while it is being done.
Cursed seal is a good jutsu only for very short amount of time, neji can hide, run around take 2-3 hits, till the effect is over then sasuke is F-ed. neji already expreinced seal 2 lvl of fighting, so he think things through. unfortunatly i have no cluse of how the seal actually works due to the fact that it did not made any since in naruto vs. sasuke fight. if it did really use the users chakra then that fight would of been finished in a very different way.
and last wiki is not a good place for backing up your claims, they make a lot of stuff up, or take people idea and name it their own.

Sasuke fights both long range and short range. Have you seen his fights, against Rock Lee, Oro, Naruto, Gaarra, Oro's subordinate, the sound four, etc. He uses taijutsu in all of them buddy. No taijutsu attack? What is Shishi Rendan then? Lvl 2 curse seal forcefully extracts chakra out of the body. Sasuke is fast enough by then to slay Neji. What do you mean that the curse seal in the naruto vs sasuke fight didn't make sense, it's the only time we've seen it (excluding the chunnin exam), thus the only fight we can draw speculation from.

[darkshadow]

I'm not bickering, im debating <_< and i think you meant kidomaru not kimimaro right?

also i cant see sasuke dodging ALL of the 128 strikes, they are just too fast, also sasuke doesnt really have to get close, 128 strikes doubles the range of the circle, and even if sasuke can dodge 128 strikes, neji always has 361 strikes ( talk about insane speed and range here ) even if sasuke blocks it, those few strikes that land on his arms would make his arms useless, and im pretty sure neji has increased the range of his kaiten after training with hiashi ( or hizashi >_> ), since his kaiten is like, f'king huge, and this is still pre time jump, sasuke would probably break his arm again if he tried a chidori on the kaiten

[darkmetal505]

I'm not bickering, im debating <_< and i think you meant kidomaru not kimimaro right?

also i cant see sasuke dodging ALL of the 128 strikes, they are just too fast, also sasuke doesnt really have to get close, 128 strikes doubles the range of the circle, and even if sasuke can dodge 128 strikes, neji always has 361 strikes ( talk about insane speed and range here ) even if sasuke blocks it, those few strikes that land on his arms would make his arms useless, and im pretty sure neji has increased the range of his kaiten after training with hiashi ( or hizashi >_> ), since his kaiten is like, f'king huge, and this is still pre time jump, sasuke would probably break his arm again if he tried a chidori on the kaiten

Its not the range of the kaiten, its the thickness, or rather the power of it. A black chidori is backed by immense power which would probably slice through a field of rotating chakra despite its size (look at what it did when it collided with rasengan). Isn't the 361 strike of Neji's after the time jump?

[darkshadow]

no he learns it just before the time jump, while under hiashi's training, and yes i think he would be able to get through it ( kaiten ), but i think the rotational and stoppig for of the kaiten would slow chidori to a crawl or even to a full stop, getting him in range of the circle, bang ### strikes <_<

[Jadugar]

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UPDATED SCORE

SASUKE : 33
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NEJI : 27
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[The Heretic Azazel]

Isn't the 361 strike of Neji's after the time jump?

Technically the move doesn't exist.. Neji never used it in the manga.