Sasuke VS Neji

[xDarkMaster]

@ Jad: No I haven't voted yet. Sorry. I vote for Sasuke.

[Strider]

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
Unsustained? I'd think that being as fast as weightless Lee, with the curse seal (not even in level 2 I'd argue) and the sharingan, he'd be fast enough to have the upper hand in hand to hand combat. There are of course the other arguements like whether or not we are counting the filler 128 hakke thing, or whether or not the curse seal provides a way to overcome the blockadge (like Naruto did), that might give Neji more weight however.

And yeah, that NH3 clip is pretty awesome. Neji is so cool in that game.

Haven't seen you around in a while.

I apologize for the confusion, though. I did not mean "Unsustained" in the judicial sense of the word, as in his point was invalid or holding no weight in this conversation.

I meant "Unsustained" in regards to the comparison. He was absolutely correct in saying Sasuke was able to match Rock Lee (still the greatest character ever, by the way) in his unfettered speed. However, it is unsustained speed. Sasuke cannot keep that up for very long at all.

Originally posted by: Jadugar

Originally posted by: Strider
Thank you for the image link. It was beautiful. Nice work, there.

I am still shocked.

I was being sarcastic. Bastard. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

Originally posted by: Jadugar
@ Chaoskiddo : You are trespassing. Say something.

Great minds think alike.

Originally posted by: God#2
P.S. The speed of One Tail Kyuubi is alot faster than neji or lee. If: (and Im talking about speed)

Sasuke w/o Curse seal = Lee w/o weights

then Sasuke > Neji's speed

+ Neji has a limited area for which he can use the attack. Did you see that black semicircle he was in when he use that 128 somethingsomething move?

Now:

Kyuubi Naruto > Seal Sasuke

Then 3 Pupil sharingan> Kyuubi naruto

THEN 1 tail Naruto > 3 pupil sharingan

Earlier in this post you made comments in regards to the Zabuza + Kakashi nonsense. I think my cohort Xan' nicely replied, so I'll refrain.

However, you are wrong from your first line. Thus, your hypothetical assessment can only follow suit.

This entire argument is based on pre-time jump. And, pre-time jump there is nothing faster than Lee's speed when performing the Ura Renge.

The speed of Kyuubi-Naruto near the end of the first portion of the series was nowhere at Lee's level.

Try again later.

Originally posted by: darkmetal505
Well please give some evidence for your opinion

We've had many single-word declarations as to the winner, that have been tallied.

Unless you are truly prepared to stand by your decision and possibly be drawn and quartered in the process, those who only have a name to say is fine ..

Originally posted by: NineTailsKitsu
Reading back in this topic, I didn't believe that I needed to state any 'evidence' of my opinion ...

Damn straight.

Originally posted by: Jadugar
Yes, we all would like to hear your opinions and evidence. Thats the primary reason I didnt make a poll for this thread. Oh another thing, I didnt ask who would you <u>prefer</u> to be your best buddy? My original question was who would survive this battle?

Seems this thread's direction twists every time someone intelligently votes for Neji.

So, now the question is who would survive? As opposed to the question from twenty pages ago?

Shit, if that is the case we need to start a new scoreboard then, as I believe none of them would.

Originally posted by: xDarkMaster
@ Jad: No I haven't voted yet. Sorry. I vote for Sasuke.

I liked you, even if only for your avatar, until you did that ..

[darkmetal505]

Originally posted by: NineTailsKitsu

Originally posted by: Jadugar

Originally posted by: NineTailsKitsu
Reading back in this topic, I didn't believe that I needed to state any 'evidence' of my opinion, but since you asked I simply prefer Neji over Sasuke and honestly would love to see that .gif from the game actually happen during the series.

I dont think its humanly possible to read this whole thread from the beginning unless you were there from the start. Also it would make you go insane.

Yes, we all would like to hear your opinions and evidence. Thats the primary reason I didnt make a poll for this thread. Oh another thing, I didnt ask who would you <u>prefer</u> to be your best buddy? My original question was who would survive this battle?



@ xDarkMaster : Did you vote?

Believe me, It's humanly possible. It's an old habit I picked up from Roleplaying boards, where you needed to read every post prior so that you didn't post something random that fucked up the plot. As for whom I think would win the fight, I've allready stated: Neji. Simply because I don't like to restate the points of others is the reason I haven't posted thorougly in regards to my choice. However, If you insist....

The constant opinion as to why Sasuke would beat Neji is due to Seal lvl 2 and "increase in speed and power", when few of you Sasuke-voters seem to be neglecting the fact that Neji has already defeated a person much more skilled in the use of his Seal and who also was utilizing a style that made heavy plays upon Neji's weakness against Long-Range combat. Sasuke, on the other hand isn't used to his Seal and has a style that puts him into this situation: Puddy in Neji's hands.

As for your claim of Kaiten vs Chidori, or Dragon Flame: You claim that people underestimate Chidori, when it is you who infact underestimates Kaiten. Let's say Sasuke uses Dragon Flame, which Neji counters with Kaiten. To put this into proper understanding, you can try this at home: Take a ball of paper, douse the top of it in a flammable substance and set fire to it. Now, throw this ball of flaming paper into winds of up to 75mph, and watch what happens. After you do that, then you can respond to that arguement. As for the Chidori, someone made a good point earlier in this topic when they said that in comparison Kaiten and Chidori are similar to Rasengan and Chidori. As the two techniques are built on the same principle, only used for different purposes try comparing the use of one versus the other like putting to strong magnets against each other: they repel. Sasuke would attempt to use Chidori on Neji, Neji would counter with Kaiten and the Attack would fizzle, putting Sasuke in close combat and shocked that his attack was thwarted, meaning: 64 strikes, no more chakra. Game, Set, and Match.

Also, don't try the Speed/Power increase arguement, just don't. Sasuke can be as fast or as powerful as he wants, but Byakugan will stop his attacks when used in conjunction with Kaiten, and once he gets close enough, It's simply over.

Now, Add my Vote for Neji.

You are forgetting that Chidori is supposed to cut through lightning (much stronger and faster than winds of chakra at 75 mph). It would slice through Kaiten like a hot knife through butter.

Speed/Power arguement makes all the difference with the Sharingan (added with third pupil).

Neji's byakugan just sees 360 degrees around him, it doesnt increase his speed of perception. Sasuke was on par with naruto in one-tail kyuubi form when his curse seal was released, which is much faster than your regular day to day battle that Sasuke would fight in.

Im sur Jad will elaborate on some other stuff.

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: NineTailsKitsu
As for your claim of Kaiten vs Chidori, or Dragon Flame: You claim that people underestimate Chidori, when it is you who infact underestimates Kaiten. Let's say Sasuke uses Dragon Flame, which Neji counters with Kaiten. To put this into proper understanding, you can try this at home: Take a ball of paper, douse the top of it in a flammable substance and set fire to it. Now, throw this ball of flaming paper into winds of up to 75mph, and watch what happens. After you do that, then you can respond to that arguement. As for the Chidori, someone made a good point earlier in this topic when they said that in comparison Kaiten and Chidori are similar to Rasengan and Chidori. As the two techniques are built on the same principle, only used for different purposes try comparing the use of one versus the other like putting to strong magnets against each other: they repel. Sasuke would attempt to use Chidori on Neji, Neji would counter with Kaiten and the Attack would fizzle, putting Sasuke in close combat and shocked that his attack was thwarted, meaning: 64 strikes, no more chakra. Game, Set, and Match.

Neji's Kaiten was already defeated/matched in power by a blow (with a kunai, even) from Kyuubi-Naruto. Sasuke's black Chidori is about equal in power to One-Tail Naruto's Kyuubi Rasengan. Earlier in the thread, Vasco made the example of a small stone falling into a river. The stone being Chidori and the river being the Kaiten. The argument goes that the stone would fall through the water, but be carried by the drift of the stream, or possibly not even hit the bottom. The problem with that argument is that the Chidori is no small stone. In reality it would be more like dropping a sack of bricks into a creek. Neji can't defend against that kind of speed and power.

I meant "Unsustained" in regards to the comparison. He was absolutely correct in saying Sasuke was able to match Rock Lee (still the greatest character ever, by the way) in his unfettered speed. However, it is unsustained speed. Sasuke cannot keep that up for very long at all.

That's where the curse seal comes in.

[Strider]

Originally posted by: darkmetal505
You are forgetting that Chidori is supposed to cut through lightning (much stronger and faster than winds of chakra at 75 mph). It would slice through Kaiten like a hot knife through butter.

There isn't even an acronym created for how hard I am laughing at this, right now. I am going to have to spend the afternoon concocting one.

I said concoct.

So, Chidori is supposed to cut through lightning? Wow. Yes, I am still laughing. Sorry.

I am guessing you have never heard of folklore, or those stories that get passed down. And, of course as the recipient of the story decides to retell it, something new is always going to be added.

Not to break it to you, but I'm putting "Kakashi cutting through a lightning bolt .." in the category of "Spicy Revision on Story No. 69."

Originally posted by: darkmetal505
Im sur Jad will elaborate on some other stuff.

Only if we're lucky .. [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

[darkmetal505]

Originally posted by: Strider

Originally posted by: darkmetal505
You are forgetting that Chidori is supposed to cut through lightning (much stronger and faster than winds of chakra at 75 mph). It would slice through Kaiten like a hot knife through butter.

There isn't even an acronym created for how hard I am laughing at this, right now. I am going to have to spend the afternoon concocting one.

I said concoct.

So, Chidori is supposed to cut through lightning? Wow. Yes, I am still laughing. Sorry.

I am guessing you have never heard of folklore, or those stories that get passed down. And, of course as the recipient of the story decides to retell it, something new is always going to be added.

Not to break it to you, but I'm putting "Kakashi cutting through a lightning bolt .." in the category of "Spicy Revision on Story No. 69."

Originally posted by: darkmetal505
Im sur Jad will elaborate on some other stuff.

Only if we're lucky .. [img][/img]

besides the fact it was explictly said in the anime during sasuke vs gaara....

[Sapphire]

Originally posted by: Strider

Originally posted by: darkmetal505
You are forgetting that Chidori is supposed to cut through lightning (much stronger and faster than winds of chakra at 75 mph). It would slice through Kaiten like a hot knife through butter.

There isn't even an acronym created for how hard I am laughing at this, right now. I am going to have to spend the afternoon concocting one.

I said concoct.

So, Chidori is supposed to cut through lightning? Wow. Yes, I am still laughing. Sorry.

I am guessing you have never heard of folklore, or those stories that get passed down. And, of course as the recipient of the story decides to retell it, something new is always going to be added.

Not to break it to you, but I'm putting "Kakashi cutting through a lightning bolt .." in the category of "Spicy Revision on Story No. 69."

Originally posted by: darkmetal505
Im sur Jad will elaborate on some other stuff.

Only if we're lucky .. [img][/img]

During the Chuunin exams, in the stadium thingy, n a serious tone Gai said that Chidori was the only skill the Kakashi ever made.. that he once cut through lightning with it. I think Kakashi was right next to him, and he didn't disagree..

[darkmetal505]

correct, also Chidori's other name is "Lightning Edge"

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: Strider
Not to break it to you, but I'm putting "Kakashi cutting through a lightning bolt .." in the category of "Spicy Revision on Story No. 69."

I agree. The cutting-through-lightning story might not be true. But whether or not that story is true doesn't change the argument that the Chidori would easily be able to break through a Kaiten. It's an unreliable defense against Sasuke using the Curse Seal:

In reality it would be more like dropping a sack of bricks into a creek. Neji can't defend against that kind of speed and power.

Also, don't forget that Sasuke has a pretty damn good defense too. Those wings popped out quickly enough to block an attack from One-Tail Naruto, so Sasuke isn't totally defenseless either. Once again, he's also got the 3-pupil Sharingan to perceive Neji's movements.

[NineTailsKitsu]

Originally posted by: XanBcoo

Originally posted by: Strider
Not to break it to you, but I'm putting "Kakashi cutting through a lightning bolt .." in the category of "Spicy Revision on Story No. 69."

I agree. The cutting-through-lightning story might not be true. But whether or not that story is true doesn't change the argument that the Chidori would easily be able to break through a Kaiten. It's an unreliable defense against Sasuke using the Curse Seal:

In reality it would be more like dropping a sack of bricks into a creek. Neji can't defend against that kind of speed and power.

Also, don't forget that Sasuke has a pretty damn good defense too. Those wings popped out quickly enough to block an attack from One-Tail Naruto, so Sasuke isn't totally defenseless either. Once again, he's also got the 3-pupil Sharingan to perceive Neji's movements.

I'm still finding it amusing that you Sasuke fans simply revert back to the same points you've been saying since the beginning of the thread once a point of value has been posted. You make unfounded points using hype from the show about a technique that hasn't been tested against something else.

Your major downfall Is that your comparing the fight between Neji and Sasuke to Sasuke/Naruto, that's a very big mistake. Naruto, even in Kyubi form is fundamentally still using the same style: Lunge, strike, Rasengan, Kage Bunshin. That's Naruto in a nutshell. Neji is a completely differen't fighter, and not prone to leaving himself open, or making foolish advances on a foe. Now, I know what your going to say: "But Naruto beat Neji already!", yes you are correct. However, figure in the element of suprise of Naruto's Kyubi power (Which Neji had never even heard of at this point), and also take into account that this fight was a plot device to "open up Neji's heart" and push the star of the show to higher fandom.

In contrast, Neji (by the point were talking about) already has knowledge of Demonic Seals, Kyubi, Chidori...Etc. And has been training non-stop to improve upon his weaknesses. Neji isnt the kind of person to lose to Naruto and not analyze why he lost, it's just not in his character. He would analyze that fight over and over and over and over again until he had a proper counterattack into Setup for Naruto. Not to mention, his new knowledge of Demon Seals places him into an even better vantage point against Sasuke, who like Naruto fundamentally hasn't changed his style at all.

Chidori can cut through lightning? Ridiculous and Laughable. Chidori can cut through Lightning but not Rasengan? Or even a large tub of water(forgot about that huh?)? Lol. You guys are funny. Come up with something new, please.

[XanBcoo]

NineTailsKitsu:

1. I'm a Neji fan, not a Sasuke fan. I do believe, however, that Neji would meet his match in this fight.
2. All the points I'm reverting to are valid. The Neji supporters are doing much the same thing in this thread, that is, bringing up valid counter arguments when an argument is made in favor of the other side. The fact is, in this fight, there's not a lot to go off of. We haven't seen any of these techniques used on each other before, so we're using other examples as a gauge (ie. Black Chidori broke through One-Tail Kyuubi-Rasengan; which is more powerful than Kyuubi-Naruto, which is about equal to the force of the Kaiten; this is true in terms of raw power and speed, as well). In that case, Sasuke seems to have more going for him. He has a strong defense like Neji (the wings), is faster, stronger, and can perceive Neji's attacks. These are all the points that spring to mind when I say "Sasuke would beat Neji" and I'm going to repeat them because it's the only evidence available in terms of technique.

As for Sasuke's style and intelligence, he hasn't just beat Naruto. He's a genious Ninja and the best in his class. He's got excellent analytical skills as well. So if you can say "Neji would figure Sasuke out" then I will say "Sasuke would figure Neji out."

Also, I know not of this knowledge of Demon Seals that you speak of. Perhaps it's post-time jump material, in which case is not valid in this argument.

[darkmetal505]

Originally posted by: NineTailsKitsu

Originally posted by: XanBcoo

Originally posted by: Strider
Not to break it to you, but I'm putting "Kakashi cutting through a lightning bolt .." in the category of "Spicy Revision on Story No. 69."

I agree. The cutting-through-lightning story might not be true. But whether or not that story is true doesn't change the argument that the Chidori would easily be able to break through a Kaiten. It's an unreliable defense against Sasuke using the Curse Seal:

In reality it would be more like dropping a sack of bricks into a creek. Neji can't defend against that kind of speed and power.

Also, don't forget that Sasuke has a pretty damn good defense too. Those wings popped out quickly enough to block an attack from One-Tail Naruto, so Sasuke isn't totally defenseless either. Once again, he's also got the 3-pupil Sharingan to perceive Neji's movements.

I'm still finding it amusing that you Sasuke fans simply revert back to the same points you've been saying since the beginning of the thread once a point of value has been posted. You make unfounded points using hype from the show about a technique that hasn't been tested against something else.

Your major downfall Is that your comparing the fight between Neji and Sasuke to Sasuke/Naruto, that's a very big mistake. Naruto, even in Kyubi form is fundamentally still using the same style: Lunge, strike, Rasengan, Kage Bunshin. That's Naruto in a nutshell. Neji is a completely differen't fighter, and not prone to leaving himself open, or making foolish advances on a foe. Now, I know what your going to say: "But Naruto beat Neji already!", yes you are correct. However, figure in the element of suprise of Naruto's Kyubi power (Which Neji had never even heard of at this point), and also take into account that this fight was a plot device to "open up Neji's heart" and push the star of the show to higher fandom.

In contrast, Neji (by the point were talking about) already has knowledge of Demonic Seals, Kyubi, Chidori...Etc. And has been training non-stop to improve upon his weaknesses. Neji isnt the kind of person to lose to Naruto and not analyze why he lost, it's just not in his character. He would analyze that fight over and over and over and over again until he had a proper counterattack into Setup for Naruto. Not to mention, his new knowledge of Demon Seals places him into an even better vantage point against Sasuke, who like Naruto fundamentally hasn't changed his style at all.

Chidori can cut through lightning? Ridiculous and Laughable. Chidori can cut through Lightning but not Rasengan? Or even a large tub of water(forgot about that huh?)? Lol. You guys are funny. Come up with something new, please.

Its true that Neji has knowledge of a curse seal, but not how each user uses it.

The reason we relate the fight between Naruto and Sasuke to Sasuke and Neji is because
1) thats the only fight weve seen sasuke's true curse seal power
2) not because naruto beat neji, therfore sasuke can bet neji, but because of the magnitude of the battle. If sasuke can hold up against kyuubi naruto (who is now even being tough for orochimaru to handle), Im pretty sure he can hold up to neji.

About chidori cutting through lightning? ITS IN THE FREAKING ANIME. Ive said it before. Its not something I pulled out of my ass. Ask kishimoto if you dont believe us.

Oh yea, the reason we use previous points is because we have to pull evidence out of somewhere right? You do the same. We all know that Neji is a genius and trains to overcome his weakness. Sasuke, however, is a force he has not reckoned with yet.

[Dug88]

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
NineTailsKitsu:
As for Sasuke's style and intelligence, he hasn't just beat Naruto. He's a genious Ninja and the best in his class. He's got excellent analytical skills as well. So if you can say "Neji would figure Sasuke out" then I will say "Sasuke would figure Neji out."

Well I'm not a fan of either Neji or Sasuke but I have to say Neji would win.
You say Sasuke's a genious ninja but so is Neji he was the top of his class as a student and was the top genin before the Chunnin exam.

[Strider]

Close to five hundred replies, with only a near hundred views?

I must be missing something ..

Originally posted by: XanBcoo

Originally posted by: Strider
I meant "Unsustained" in regards to the comparison. He was absolutely correct in saying Sasuke was able to match Rock Lee (still the greatest character ever, by the way) in his unfettered speed. However, it is unsustained speed. Sasuke cannot keep that up for very long at all.

That's where the curse seal comes in.

You guys are all aiming to make me laugh, now. I'm sure that's your plan. Humor me into submission.

Sasuke can hold Lee's speed, just about as long as he can remain in an unreleased Seal mode.

Originally posted by: Sapphire
During the Chuunin exams, in the stadium thingy, n a serious tone Gai said that Chidori was the only skill the Kakashi ever made.. that he once cut through lightning with it. I think Kakashi was right next to him, and he didn't disagree..

Because Kakashi has always been known to give Gai his full attention and respond to his idiocy?

Gai in a serious tone?

This is the same serious Jounin, who in a serious tone, pulled Lee aside prior to his preliminary match to seriously inform him that Gaara's gourd seemed suspicious in a serious way.

You're seriously not selling this one. Seriously.

Originally posted by: darkmetal505
correct, also Chidori's other name is "Lightning Edge"

This other name could not possibly come from the correlation of their appearance, could it?

I mean, the thunderous sound and crackling could not possibly have anything to do with it.

Originally posted by: NineTailsKitsu
Chidori can cut through lightning? Ridiculous and Laughable. Chidori can cut through Lightning but not Rasengan? Or even a large tub of water(forgot about that huh?)? Lol. You guys are funny. Come up with something new, please.

While I laughed at this, in the hopes of keeping some of the redundant Sasuke fans from trespassing, I'll post their rebuttal to save them the time of bothering:

"That was all before the third pupil Sharingan and Cursel Seal .."

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
1. I'm a Neji fan, not a Sasuke fan ...

And, that's why you're still on my Christmas Card List.

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
2. All the points I'm reverting to are valid. The Neji supporters are doing much the same thing in this thread, that is, bringing up valid counter arguments when an argument is made in favor of the other side. The fact is, in this fight, there's not a lot to go off of. We haven't seen any of these techniques used on each other before, so we're using other examples as a gauge (ie. Black Chidori broke through One-Tail Kyuubi-Rasengan; which is more powerful than Kyuubi-Naruto, which is about equal to the force of the Kaiten; this is true in terms of raw power and speed, as well). In that case, Sasuke seems to have more going for him. He has a strong defense like Neji (the wings), is faster, stronger, and can perceive Neji's attacks. These are all the points that spring to mind when I say "Sasuke would beat Neji" and I'm going to repeat them because it's the only evidence available in terms of technique.

Slow down, partner. Before you stumble over another contradiction.

We have not seen any of these techniques used against one another, thus none of your points are validated by facts, as we're gathering data from outside battles as support.

In regards to your example, Sasuke's Chidori did not break through Naruto's Rasengan. The two, almost in an exact sense of how people expect the result of a Chidor v. Kaiten collision, crashed into one another, then quite possibly due to the friction or momentum of the Rasengan's swirling nature, caused the two to continue onward -- Naruto's being flung towards Sasuke's headband, and the Chidori towards Naruto's heart / shoulder.

If you want to see break through, see Ichigo's Bankai break through Byakuya's final attack, when they were dueling. In Byakuya's recollection of those final moments, you see Ichigo's weapon actually break through his blade, causing it to dissipate into the pink petals of death we all know and love. That's breaking through ..

I still do not believe Sasuke would see Neji's Rokujuu Yonshou. It is a Bloodline Ability. This cannot be read or traced by the Sharingan. I don't care how people broke it down in previous posts, it's a Bloodline Ability. If it were simply precise placement of chakra, anyone with chakra could have replicated it. Kakashi was watching Neji's match. Hyuuga heirs have had other teachers. If it were as simple as previous posters' breakdown, it would not be a sole technique to Konoha's noble family.

Neji is also able to project chakra from every pore on his body, in varying amounts, with numerous effects, such as affecting the trajectory of a direct assault, like say .. the Chidori.

Sasuke's wings, as gay as they were, are an extension of him. Something like an arm or leg. While there are no organs within them, I am sure blood travels through them, as well as some form of chakra pathway at the very least. One touch is all that is needed. Just one.

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
Also, I know not of this knowledge of Demon Seals that you speak of. Perhaps it's post-time jump material, in which case is not valid in this argument.

I was lost here, as well.

We're not including anything after the end of the first portion of the series. (~Episode 137 or so..)

Even so .. Neji knows about Demon Seals? I didn't think any of the Genin did.

[NineTailsKitsu]

I was referring to Neji's fight vs the Spider Archer (forgotten his name) as his knowledge of Demon Seals, or atleast a vague understanding of it. It's more than nothing.

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: Strider
You guys are all aiming to make me laugh, now. I'm sure that's your plan. Humor me into submission.

Sasuke can hold Lee's speed, just about as long as he can remain in an unreleased Seal mode.
.

This much is true, but keep in mind when the seal is activated, it boosts the users strength and speed. Meaning Sasuke could maintain Lee's speed for a given time (granted, not very long), but then activate the first level of the seal when he can't sustain that speed any longer, become even stronger and faster for a period of time, and finally activate the 2nd level, which grants more than enough power to overcome Neji. I'll reiterate what I said way back in this thread, and that is there would be no clear cut winner in the fight. Sasuke can't maintain the power of the curse seal, yet it would be enough to overcome Neji's defenses in the amount of time he activates it for.

Originally posted by: Strider

Originally posted by: NineTailsKitsu
Chidori can cut through lightning? Ridiculous and Laughable. Chidori can cut through Lightning but not Rasengan? Or even a large tub of water(forgot about that huh?)? Lol. You guys are funny. Come up with something new, please.

While I laughed at this, in the hopes of keeping some of the redundant Sasuke fans from trespassing, I'll post their rebuttal to save them the time of bothering:

"That was all before the third pupil Sharingan and Cursel Seal .."

There's no more redundance in the Sasuke supporters' arguments than in the Neji supporters'. In any case, the 3-pupil Sharingan has not much to do with the power of the Chidori (save for getting rid of the blind spot due to the great speed), I know that. But about the water tank...I'm quite sure Sasuke "cut" through it just fine. His arm was lodged in a shredded hole inside it, meaning that he cut through it. Follow? It didn't go out the back (like the Rasengan) because the range of the Chidori is only equal to the range of the user's reach. Sasuke was thrown into the water tank, ripped through it with his hand, and came to a stop because of the force of the rest of the tank on his body. The Rasengan exploded the tank out the back because it does a different type of damage. The water tank argument does not detract at all from the power or effectiveness of the Chidori at all.

Originally posted by: Strider
In regards to your example, Sasuke's Chidori did not break through Naruto's Rasengan. The two, almost in an exact sense of how people expect the result of a Chidor v. Kaiten collision, crashed into one another, then quite possibly due to the friction or momentum of the Rasengan's swirling nature, caused the two to continue onward -- Naruto's being flung towards Sasuke's headband, and the Chidori towards Naruto's heart / shoulder.

That's pretty much how I understood it to have happened too. I was merely referring to the fact that Sasuke's Chidori was able to overcome and defeat an attack by Naruto using the Rasengan in some way or another. But if you want to get techincal, then I could point out that when the two attacks collided, and the final blows were dealt, Sasuke still had his Chidori activated and punched Naruto with it, whereas Naruto's Kyuubi-Rasengan seemed to have vanished and he whacked Sasuke's head protector with his claws. It was almost as if the Rasengan had been dissipated.

Originally posted by: Strider
Sasuke's wings, as gay as they were, are an extension of him. Something like an arm or leg. While there are no organs within them, I am sure blood travels through them, as well as some form of chakra pathway at the very least. One touch is all that is needed. Just one.

Where is this "one touch anywhere on the body from Jyuuken is an instant kill" argument coming from? I was lead to believe that the internal organs had to be directly affected in order for any vital damage to be done. Hence why fatal Jyuuken strikes all seem to be directed towards the chest area (or directly into the body, in the case of Kidomaru and his web). My memory's fuzzy, but I beleive Hinata was attacked with a strike from Jyuuken, and survived just fine. I also recall Naruto being hit with a Jyuuken strike as well as the 64 hakke attack, and not dying. I could be wrong about this, but I don't think I am. The Hakke Rokuju Yonsho is a method of stopping one's flow of Chakra, not killing (arguably, Sasuke could recover from its effects with the power of the curse seal - but really, this is unknown, so I'll accept it as a moot point). So provided that a Jyuuken strike anywhere else on the body except directly to the internal organs (or an attack on the chest) is not fatal, the worst Neji could do to Sasuke would be to mess up his wings a little. Perhaps he might not be able to use them to fly as fast, or possibly not block again, but the wings are still a good defense imo. Those and the Sharingan-vision provide pretty effective defenses from Neji's attacks.

I still do not believe Sasuke would see Neji's Rokujuu Yonshou. It is a Bloodline Ability. This cannot be read or traced by the Sharingan. I don't care how people broke it down in previous posts, it's a Bloodline Ability. If it were simply precise placement of chakra, anyone with chakra could have replicated it. Kakashi was watching Neji's match. Hyuuga heirs have had other teachers. If it were as simple as previous posters' breakdown, it would not be a sole technique to Konoha's noble family.

I disagree, and can tell you the Rokujuu Yonsho is just an attack used in conjunction with the bloodline limit: Byakugan. The whole Jyuuken style revolves around being able to precisely control one's chakra, so yes, I'd say that anyone with good chakra control could use it if they really tried. It wouldn't do any good though, because the Byakugan is needed to see the correct targets for this type of style. That is, the inner chakra system. This is why only the Hyuuga use it. As far as Sasuke goes, because it is a unique attack that uses chakra, I think he'd be able to see its movements, much like he saw Kyuubi-Naruto's movements.

And, that's why you're still on my Christmas Card List.

I'm looking forward to Christmas now [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]. It's also good to have you back in this thread. Not much argument going on before you came back.

[Jadugar]

I leave you all kids alone for one day and you make a big mess.
Unfortunately I dont have the time to post in detail. I will elaborate on all of your posts in detail on Thursday. Thats my day off. In the mean time have fun but remember big brother is watching.

@ Strider :


Welcome back from the dead. Looking forward to have some decent conservation. Meanwhile stay off that laughing gas, too much of it can kill you.

I leave you in good company of Xan.

Anyway, got to go.

P.S God dammit, my Smallville season 3 torrent just finished. I was hoping to watch that on Thursday.

[NineTailsKitsu]

I still find your Chidori arguement to be unfounded, but that's mostly do to the fact that: We've seen what happens when Chidori is used against Rasengan, but we haven't seen what happens when Chidori is used against Kaiten. BTW, you realized my point of the water tank without realizing it. Rasengan and Chidori are similar moves, in that they control they're chakra into a weapon: Rasengan manipulates the chakra by condenscing it into a "swirl", while Chidori becomes like a cutting instrument.

Sasuke was thrown into the water tank, ripped through it with his hand, and came to a stop because of the force of the rest of the tank on his body.

That's right, now take into account that Kaiten manipulates Chakra just like Chidori and Rasengan, but for a differen't purpose. Compare Sasuke's body stopping arm's length in the tank, to Sasuke's attack stopping short of actually Hitting Neji IF he managed to puncture through Kaiten. Again, Sasuke would be caught off guard, and...Well I'm not going to repeat my self on that possibility.

BTW, as for your Hinata/Neji example of Jyuuken.......The reason why Hinata didn't die from her injuries (though she was extremely fucked up from them) is because Neji didn't want to kill her, this would be entirely different in a Demon Seal Sasuke vs Neji fight, were Neji would know he'd have to fight for his life.

[The Heretic Azazel]

Originally posted by: Jadugar
I leave you all kids alone for one day and you make a big mess.
Unfortunately I dont have the time to post in detail. I will elaborate on all of your posts in detail on Thursday. Thats my day off. In the mean time have fun but remember big brother is watching.

@ Strider :


Welcome back from the dead. Looking forward to have some decent conservation. Meanwhile stay off that laughing gas, too much of it can kill you.

I leave you in good company of Xan.

Anyway, got to go.

P.S God dammit, my Smallville season 3 torrent just finished. I was hoping to watch that on Thursday.

Haha Smallville. Sorry Jad you completely cancelled out all your logical statements in this thread saying something like that.

Smallville fans are Sasuke loving bitches!

[Strider]

Ooh, I have so much to say, but it shall have to wait until this evening.

I am currently at work, with about fifteen minutes before our blocker prevents this site from being accessed. And, that is clearly not enough time to meticulously dissect Xan's post.

Originally posted by: Jadugar
Meanwhile stay off that laughing gas, too much of it can kill you.

Your minions amuse me. What can I say?

Outro.