Sasuke VS Neji

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: God#2
Thank you. But about Kakashi making Zabuza copy his jutsu, it was Zabuza's technique in the first place. Kakashi was copying Zabuza. Kakashi just hypnotized Zabazu into thinking that Kakashi could read minds and tell the future. His eye helped him reveal the hands signs before Zabuza could finish. This is fully understandable once we see how Sasuke's sharingan worked. Oh, and yes. That game kicks ass. Cant wait to get it.

That's not really correct. The way it was explained when Zabuza recalled the event was that Kakashi already knew all those jutsu he used against Zabuza (from years of acquiring jutsu through copying). He then messed with Zabuza's mind during the fight by copying his movements, making Zabuza freak out and stop mid-jutsu while Kakashi performed the same jutsu (because he already knew it) and won. I don't like that explanation as much though, because it seems a little far-fetched that Kakashi would be able to subconciously tell Zabuza what to do, and "read his mind" so accurately.

It is pretty clear, though, that the Sharingan can copy physical movements. Sasuke uses it to copy hand movements during the 1st exam, when he is fighting Lee, and then again when he copied the Shishi Rendan. It's also used in conjunction with the Chidori to avoid that blind spot caused by moving so fast - avoiding any possible counter attacks. So that means the Sharingan can analyze and copy physical movements, as well as chakra flow (as seen against Kyuubi-Naruto).

+ Neji has a limited area for which he can use the attack. Did you see that black semicircle he was in when he use that 128 somethingsomething move?

That's only because he was defending against the spiders. He did the exact same thing with 64 Hakke attack, which we know isn't always used in that manner. Apparently any object within Neji's range ("divination" according to Aone) is a target for the combo. That's the way I understand it at least.

[anphorus]

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
It is pretty clear, though, that the Sharingan can copy physical movements. Sasuke uses it to copy hand movements during the 1st exam, when he is fighting Lee, and then again when he copied the Shishi Rendan. So that means it can analyze and copy physical movements, as well as chakra flow (as seen against Kyuubi-Naruto).

Just to add to this point, further evidence that the sharingan can copy chakra flow is in the fact that it can copy the enemies techniques at all. When you use a jutsu you don't just make hand seals, you also mix the chakra in your body in a certain way. If a normal person way to just use the hand seals nothing would happen, and if, as a ninja, you just copy handsigns then the jutsu would either fail or work incorrectly. Otherwise the sharingan's copying ability wouldn't be anything special as anyone could do it by following the opponents handsigns.

[darkshadow]

Originally posted by: Jadugar

Originally posted by: darkshadow
neji would only need 1 touch on sasuke's body and it would be over, so even if it means the chidori would hit him afterwards, sasuke would die too, for me either neji wins, or its a draw

Sasuke's body is not made out of paper.

I didnt get the second part of your assumption. If sasuke dies then his body wont produce any chakra hence no chidori or if he has already trigered one then it would go off immediately becuase of no source of power. Unless you are imagining a chidori fire ball (just like in street fighter).

And no, its not a draw. Its a clear win for Sasuke. You need more <u>insight</u>

how would that matter?, jyuuken is chakra, so even if he had a titanium body or something, jyuuken would still fuck him up badly, like lee ( or someone) said. his style is about doing damage to the exterior ( breaking bones and stuff). while the hyuuga style damages the interior, so even if lets say kimimaro did his bone masks stuff, neji would still be able to seriously injure him

and what i meant with the second part, if sasuke does chidori and somehow suprises neji with it, neji would ony have to touch him around the heart, to slowly kill him, and its not like that touch would instantly stop the chidori, so they would both die


edit: also assertn, the thing to defeat neji was the ura renge he did on gaara, not his normal no weights speed, sasuke is not even near lee's ura renge speed

[darkmetal505]

Originally posted by: darkshadow

Originally posted by: Jadugar

Originally posted by: darkshadow
neji would only need 1 touch on sasuke's body and it would be over, so even if it means the chidori would hit him afterwards, sasuke would die too, for me either neji wins, or its a draw

Sasuke's body is not made out of paper.

I didnt get the second part of your assumption. If sasuke dies then his body wont produce any chakra hence no chidori or if he has already trigered one then it would go off immediately becuase of no source of power. Unless you are imagining a chidori fire ball (just like in street fighter).

And no, its not a draw. Its a clear win for Sasuke. You need more <u>insight</u>

how would that matter?, jyuuken is chakra, so even if he had a titanium body or something, jyuuken would still fuck him up badly, like lee ( or someone) said. his style is about doing damage to the exterior ( breaking bones and stuff). while the hyuuga style damages the interior, so even if lets say kimimaro did his bone masks stuff, neji would still be able to seriously injure him

and what i meant with the second part, if sasuke does chidori and somehow suprises neji with it, neji would ony have to touch him around the heart, to slowly kill him, and its not like that touch would instantly stop the chidori, so they would both die


edit: also assertn, the thing to defeat neji was the ura renge he did on gaara, not his normal no weights speed, sasuke is not even near lee's ura renge speed

if he can touch sausuke. Evidence has led up that sasuke's sharingan can predict neji's movement.

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: darkshadow
jyuuken is chakra

I feel like pulling my hair out.

Juken literally means gentle fist, not chakra.

The inner coil system that transfers chakra around the body is very close and is essentially a part of all of the human body, including crucial organs. Members of the Hyuga clan train in a special fighting style that requires the Byakugan and excellent chakra control; through the Byakugan they are able to see the opponent's inner coil system which they forcefully channel their own chakra into, causing severe damage to organs nearby. The technique earned its name because even a seemingly gentle, unimpressive hit can prove lethal.

I didnt bother reading the rest of your post. I will read it when I have spare time and edit this post. In the mean time try doing some research before posting. You will doing all of us a huge favour.

[darkshadow]

Originally posted by: Jadugar

Originally posted by: darkshadow
jyuuken is chakra

I feel like pulling my hair out.

Juken literally means gentle fist, not chakra.

The inner coil system that transfers chakra around the body is very close and is essentially a part of all of the human body, including crucial organs. Members of the Hyuga clan train in a special fighting style that requires the Byakugan and excellent chakra control; through the Byakugan they are able to see the opponent's inner coil system which they forcefully channel their own chakra into, causing severe damage to organs nearby. The technique earned its name because even a seemingly gentle, unimpressive hit can prove lethal.

I didnt bother reading the rest of your post. I will read it when I have spare time and edit this post. In the mean time try doing some research before posting. You will doing all of us a huge favour.

will you stfu being so precise, i hate people who cant think for themselfs and take everything literally, you said it yourself, jyuuken forces charka in the body it touches, in other words jyuuken is a chakra attack not just simple taijutsu like lee's, thats why i said "jyuuken is chakra", think a bit for yourself what people mean, you're not 5 anymore, or are you?
and if you want to go literally, "juken" means something entirely different, it's jyuuken, do your research fool.

[xDarkMaster]

You can't say that darkshadow. Saying "jyuuken is chakra" is COMPLETELY wrong. Saying jyuuken uses chakra wouldn't be, but how can you blame anyone for thinking your just plain wrong when you say that?

[darkshadow]

because i would be like, wtf? oh he means that it uses chakra.

i wouldnt make a stupid degrading post like HEY do your research man cause your just stupid saying that its chakra, i would be like, you probably mean that jyuuken uses chakra dont you? people always want to feel superior above another

edit: ill post some sasuke related gifs later, fir his share of fans

[Jadugar]

@ darkshadow:

Hahahha

Saying "water is fire" and "fire is water" is clearly wrong.

Whereas spelling something different is understandable. You can spell it "juken" or "jyuuken", it doesnt make any difference. Why? Because the original term is not an English one. Its Japanese. So people can spell it differently depending on how they pronounce it.

Originally posted by: darkshadow
in other words jyuuken is a chakra attack not just simple taijutsu like lee's, thats why i said "jyuuken is chakra

Nearly every Jutsu ( not taijutsu) requires chakra. So you cant go round saying they are just Chakra or chakra attacks.

Originally posted by: darkshadow
"juken" means something entirely different

No you fool, Juken/Jyuuken literally means gentle fist. Burn that in your skull.


In defense of my so called degrading post I would like to say that I did say, <u>try</u> to do some research. I never though you would be so incapable and incompetent.

Also did you notice that I didnt use words like "stfu" in my last two posts unlike you.

Oh and another thing, some people are superior to others. Its a fact.

[darkshadow]

degrading :
"You need more insight"
"I didnt bother reading the rest of your post."
"try doing some research before posting. You will doing all of us a huge favour."

jyuuken is not a jutsu, its a taijutsu attack using chakra
juken:
juken
(n,vs) being subjected to investigation


juken
(n,vs) taking an examination; (P)


juken
(n) authorization; authorisation

sry about the stfu but i just hate it when people are being over precise and feel the need to correct someone on every little thing.

and yes some people are superior i didnt say that some aren't, i cant stand the people who think they are superior but they're not

[Jadugar]

@ darkshadow :

Let me start my post with a happier note.

Where are my manners? Welcome to this thread darkshadow!

As long as you will continue to defend Neji, I am afraid I have no choice but to nail you down to the ground. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Dont take it so personally. I dont know if you have gone through the whole thread but I have grilled people like nobodys business. Its just a controversial topic and the winning is in the finer details. I am not picking on you, its the normal welcome I give to every Neji fan. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] I am sorry if you were offended by my remarks. Dont take them so personally. I wouldnt. Thanx for not using any rude words in your last post. There are 426 replies in this thread and every body has been very civil.

I never said I am superior to anybody, you just assumed. Maybe I am, maybe not. Once again sorry for making you feel bad. Its just my defense mechanism. I cant help it. Feel free to post your opinions but beware I am watching. That was a joke, OK.

Anyway, I have to go. Catch you later!

[Assertn]

The curse seal gives sasuke enhanced speed over his normal weightless speed. He said when he had the 3 pupils, that being able to flow around Naruto's movements was just like when he was using the curse seal. Which means if he used 3 pupils AND the curse seal, then it would become even GREATER than before.

[NineTailsKitsu]

Neiji.

Have fun debating.

[darkmetal505]

Originally posted by: NineTailsKitsu
Neiji.

Have fun debating.

Well please give some evidence for your opinion

[NineTailsKitsu]

Originally posted by: darkmetal505

Originally posted by: NineTailsKitsu
Neiji.

Have fun debating.

Well please give some evidence for your opinion

Reading back in this topic, I didn't believe that I needed to state any 'evidence' of my opinion, but since you asked I simply prefer Neji over Sasuke and honestly would love to see that .gif from the game actually happen during the series.

[Miss190]

i think that sasuke would win no matter how much he sucks but i think he would cause naruto beat neji and he was just begining to discover his kyubi powers and sasuke almost beat naruto so its easy to see who would win

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: NineTailsKitsu
Reading back in this topic, I didn't believe that I needed to state any 'evidence' of my opinion, but since you asked I simply prefer Neji over Sasuke and honestly would love to see that .gif from the game actually happen during the series.

I dont think its humanly possible to read this whole thread from the beginning unless you were there from the start. Also it would make you go insane.

Yes, we all would like to hear your opinions and evidence. Thats the primary reason I didnt make a poll for this thread. Oh another thing, I didnt ask who would you <u>prefer</u> to be your best buddy? My original question was who would survive this battle?



@ xDarkMaster : Did you vote?

[NineTailsKitsu]

Originally posted by: Jadugar

Originally posted by: NineTailsKitsu
Reading back in this topic, I didn't believe that I needed to state any 'evidence' of my opinion, but since you asked I simply prefer Neji over Sasuke and honestly would love to see that .gif from the game actually happen during the series.

I dont think its humanly possible to read this whole thread from the beginning unless you were there from the start. Also it would make you go insane.

Yes, we all would like to hear your opinions and evidence. Thats the primary reason I didnt make a poll for this thread. Oh another thing, I didnt ask who would you <u>prefer</u> to be your best buddy? My original question was who would survive this battle?



@ xDarkMaster : Did you vote?

Believe me, It's humanly possible. It's an old habit I picked up from Roleplaying boards, where you needed to read every post prior so that you didn't post something random that fucked up the plot. As for whom I think would win the fight, I've allready stated: Neji. Simply because I don't like to restate the points of others is the reason I haven't posted thorougly in regards to my choice. However, If you insist....

The constant opinion as to why Sasuke would beat Neji is due to Seal lvl 2 and "increase in speed and power", when few of you Sasuke-voters seem to be neglecting the fact that Neji has already defeated a person much more skilled in the use of his Seal and who also was utilizing a style that made heavy plays upon Neji's weakness against Long-Range combat. Sasuke, on the other hand isn't used to his Seal and has a style that puts him into this situation: Puddy in Neji's hands.

As for your claim of Kaiten vs Chidori, or Dragon Flame: You claim that people underestimate Chidori, when it is you who infact underestimates Kaiten. Let's say Sasuke uses Dragon Flame, which Neji counters with Kaiten. To put this into proper understanding, you can try this at home: Take a ball of paper, douse the top of it in a flammable substance and set fire to it. Now, throw this ball of flaming paper into winds of up to 75mph, and watch what happens. After you do that, then you can respond to that arguement. As for the Chidori, someone made a good point earlier in this topic when they said that in comparison Kaiten and Chidori are similar to Rasengan and Chidori. As the two techniques are built on the same principle, only used for different purposes try comparing the use of one versus the other like putting to strong magnets against each other: they repel. Sasuke would attempt to use Chidori on Neji, Neji would counter with Kaiten and the Attack would fizzle, putting Sasuke in close combat and shocked that his attack was thwarted, meaning: 64 strikes, no more chakra. Game, Set, and Match.

Also, don't try the Speed/Power increase arguement, just don't. Sasuke can be as fast or as powerful as he wants, but Byakugan will stop his attacks when used in conjunction with Kaiten, and once he gets close enough, It's simply over.

Now, Add my Vote for Neji.

[Jadugar]

@ NineTailsKitsu : I will respond to your post on Thursday( my day off).

@ xDarkMaster : Still dont know if you voted or not?



Now the long awaited update.........

New votes : anphorus, miss190,darkshadow, NineTailKitsu


........................VS...................

UPDATED SCORE

SASUKE : 29
[ Barles, SFreedomZGMFx20a, chet_chetty, Mut@chi, AssertnFailure,Nests, <u>XanBcoo</u>,coud656, Phoenix20578, Shuurai, 6Zabuza9, Chaoskiddo, darkmetal505, Edort4, Ban Kai, Zein, masamuneehs, Aramis, KoKo37,God#2, Strifexgx, Sapphire, Ero-Fan, Deadfire, aznroyale, MASTA-OF-DISASTA, sevyfez, anphorus, miss190 ]

NEJI : 22
[DrCitan, Heero, Terra, Dark Maginn, Mite Gai, Turkish-S, Naruto_RNG, Dezalanel, Vasco, Heretic-Azazel, Shinda, Jurojin, Y, Kensee, elmojo, Tinks, iMUSTbeTHEdevil, UltxDarkRedXl, isso, Necromas, darkshadow, NineTailKitsu ]

[Sapphire]

Originally posted by: Jadugar

Reading back in this topic, I didn't believe that I needed to state any 'evidence' of my opinion, but since you asked I simply prefer Neji over Sasuke and honestly would love to see that .gif from the game actually happen during the series.

Totally possible~ I read the whole Uchiha Itachi discussion thread from awile back and that was like 50 pages!