Sasuke VS Neji

[anphorus]

We didn't forget. Mostly because that didn't happen.

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
Yet after he learned the Chidori, dramatically increased his speed, and unlocked his Sharingan further, he would have been strong enough to go head to head with Neji without resorting to the curse seal. Maybe he wouldn't have won, but I think he'd be able to hold his own. He's a genious ninja, strongest of his class, and has the Sharingan. Don't take him lightly. The curse seal just guarntees his win [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img].

Oh don't misunderstand, I'm not saying that Sasuke as he is now, or even after Kakashi's training couldn't defeat Neji. I'm just saying that at one point in time, he wouldn't have stood a chance.

Afterall, there was once a time when Itachi would be killed by kakashi without any significant effort, but that time is long gone.

[XanBcoo]

I understood that part completely (and I agree), but you also mentioned the curse seal earlier, which I think he wouldn't need in order to fight Neji equally.

[MASTA-OF-DISASTA]

Well guys i know im delving pretty deeply into the unknown territories of the naruto-future but.

I think that sasuke will get his curse seal off quite a while before the end of the series, so that must mean that he will still be a badass without hit seal.

I see him like i see kakashi at his age[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[Carnage]

Ok. Sasuke=Kakshi is a no-no.

Sasuke's third pupil sharingan would own Neji. He would see all of his attacks before they came.

[darkmetal505]

Originally posted by: God#2
Ok. Sasuke=Kakshi is a no-no.

Sasuke's third pupil sharingan would own Neji. He would see all of his attacks before they came.

not only that, but his curse seal would give him immense power that even neji couldnt block

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
The curse seal just guarntees his win[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

That was my trump card agianst <u>Strider</u>(R.I.P)



@ anphorus : Who did you vote for?



New votes : MASTA-OF-DISASTA, sevyfez

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[Strider]

Originally posted by: God#2
Sasuke's third pupil sharingan would own Neji. He would see all of his attacks before they came.

I'm still not buying this.

Manga scanlations and episode translations both state Sasuke read Naruto's movements due to the chakra empowering his motions. Neji doesn't suffer from the need of a secondary source.

And, I cannot take anyone seriously who states Sasuke would not need his Curse Seal to defeat Neji or even fight him equally. That's nonsense.

Alas, for the millionth time, the Curse Seal guarantees Sasuke's victory. Although, I still believe without a doubt in the instant Sasuke would land his Chidori, his preferred (I won't say "only," as to not antagonize the billion of "what if" people ..) finishing technique, Neji would land that one and only necessary blow on his body, killing him slowly, if not instantly, thereafter.

[anphorus]

[quote]
Originally posted by: Strider

Originally posted by: God#2
Manga scanlations and episode translations both state Sasuke read Naruto's movements due to the chakra empowering his motions. Neji doesn't suffer from the need of a secondary source.

Really? I don't remember that. I always got the impression that what the Sharingan did was to observe the opponents movements and predict how the opponent was going to move, the sharingan then translates that information into a format that the user can understand (those future-echo's that Sasuke can see when using his Sharingan.

@Jadugar: Oh, I vote for Sasuke on this one.

[Strider]

I am at work, and cannot directly quote the episode or the manga chapter as it is archived at home, but Sasuke's statement was something along the lines of:

"The subtle way his chakra enters and powers his body, I can see his next movement .."

He then goes on considering how if he's been using it to avoid being struck, he should also be able to time it accordingly and attack prior to Naruto fully being in place and taking the offensive.

But, because of the translation (taken from two manga scan teams and one anime team - unsure if it was DB or AonE, I have both), it implied those echoes were more ninjutsu intensive due to the inclusion of chakra, which had it been normal motion and running, more relative to taijutsu, only stamina would have been used.

[darkshadow]

neji

[Carnage]

Originally posted by: Strider

Originally posted by: God#2
Sasuke's third pupil sharingan would own Neji. He would see all of his attacks before they came.

I'm still not buying this.

Manga scanlations and episode translations both state Sasuke read Naruto's movements due to the chakra empowering his motions. Neji doesn't suffer from the need of a secondary source.

And, I cannot take anyone seriously who states Sasuke would not need his Curse Seal to defeat Neji or even fight him equally. That's nonsense.

Alas, for the millionth time, the Curse Seal guarantees Sasuke's victory. Although, I still believe without a doubt in the instant Sasuke would land his Chidori, his preferred (I won't say "only," as to not antagonize the billion of "what if" people ..) finishing technique, Neji would land that one and only necessary blow on his body, killing him slowly, if not instantly, thereafter.

Heres a link to the manga page explaining the sharingan scanlated by INANE!

http://img106.imageshack.us/im...38/chapter230074cw.png

It says that he can track the chakra, doesnt have to be the Kyuubi's chakra. Otherwise Kakashi wouldn't have been able to makeout Zabuza's hand seals. And Sasuke also says that he feels the same as when he used the cursed seal. You cant take me seriously? But I just proved you wrong!

[ChaosK]

game, set, match god#2.

[darkshadow]

Originally posted by: God#2

Originally posted by: Strider

Originally posted by: God#2
Sasuke's third pupil sharingan would own Neji. He would see all of his attacks before they came.

I'm still not buying this.

Manga scanlations and episode translations both state Sasuke read Naruto's movements due to the chakra empowering his motions. Neji doesn't suffer from the need of a secondary source.

And, I cannot take anyone seriously who states Sasuke would not need his Curse Seal to defeat Neji or even fight him equally. That's nonsense.

Alas, for the millionth time, the Curse Seal guarantees Sasuke's victory. Although, I still believe without a doubt in the instant Sasuke would land his Chidori, his preferred (I won't say "only," as to not antagonize the billion of "what if" people ..) finishing technique, Neji would land that one and only necessary blow on his body, killing him slowly, if not instantly, thereafter.

Heres a link to the manga page explaining the sharingan scanlated by INANE!

http://img106.imageshack.us/im...38/chapter230074cw.png

It says that he can track the chakra, doesnt have to be the Kyuubi's chakra. Otherwise Kakashi wouldn't have been able to makeout Zabuza's hand seals. And Sasuke also says that he feels the same as when he used the cursed seal. You cant take me seriously? But I just proved you wrong!

reading movements is done by the eye of insight, kakashi himself said that the byakugan eye of insight is better then sharingans, so why can sasuke dodge neji's freaking fast ### strikes, but neji wouldnt be able dodge a straight and linear attack like chidori?(man kimimaro would own him), even kakashi ( ok he didnt have sharingan but he was a jounin already ) got countered when he did it the first time, so neji would dodge it and jyuuken it like how he did on hinata's arm, bam no more chakra, and then this would happen:




sasuke would die.....horribly

[XanBcoo]

Neji is my best and favorite character on NH3. Nice use of his Ougi.

But define "insight." As far as has been described already, the Byakugan works by seeing near-360 degree vision, and also allows them to see the chakra flow/points. That has nothing to do with reading movements. In any case, doesn't every person have a chakra flow that could be read by Sasuke? Nothing says it has to be Kyuubi's chakra, but the fact that he is ABLE to dodge Kyuubi-Naruto like he did guarantees that he would have no trouble with Neji.

To quote Assertn:

I think the fact that 1 tailed kyubi naruto could rip orochimaru's face off and send him flying into the forest shows just what level of power was involved between curse seal sasuke and kyubi naruto. Neji wouldn't last a second.

[darkshadow]

Well, kyuubi naruto was fast, but not in his combos, he was just a fast mover, his combos didnt even require the show to slow down , while neji vs. kidoumaru the world slowed to a crawl against the spiders, its like rock lee said, its ok if your eyes can keep up, but the question is can your body?, the speed of 128 strikes was already amazing, much faster then any combo any char in naruto has ever shown, so even though sasuke might see it coming, he wouldnt be able to react in time.

And like Strider said, neji would only need 1 touch on sasuke's body and it would be over, so even if it means the chidori would hit him afterwards, sasuke would die too, for me either neji wins, or its a draw

[Assertn]

Thats why, to rival neji, gai had lee train in pure physical speed. "The trick to defeating neji is with this high speed combo," as Gai put it.

Sasuke now has the same level of speed as lee.

[Strider]

Originally posted by: God#2
It says that he can track the chakra, doesnt have to be the Kyuubi's chakra. Otherwise Kakashi wouldn't have been able to makeout Zabuza's hand seals. And Sasuke also says that he feels the same as when he used the cursed seal. You cant take me seriously? But I just proved you wrong!

Thank you for the image link. It was beautiful. Nice work, there.

It doesn't have to be the Kyuubi's Chakra? You're quickly freefalling into the "what if .." category.

"It probably isn't the Kyuubi Chakra Naruto's using .. The fact the dark whisker marks and fox pupils mean nothing! And, in the episode the fact Naruto was emanating with the distinct Kyuubi colored chakra means nothing .. it was his regular form."

Right.

Zabuza later explains the hypnotic effects he was under, while looking into Kakashi's Sharingan. It was more Kakashi performing the jutsu (that was more than likely previously known ages ago), and suggesting Zabuza to also perform it, giving it the mirror / illusion ideal.

In addition, my comment was indirectly aimed towards Xan' who stated Sasuke would not need the Curse Seal. Hence my statement, which said exactly that.

Originally posted by: Chaoskiddo
game, set, match god#2.

Two thousand posts, and still saying nothing ..

Guess that was just for one more, 'eh?

I think Assertn's counter needed an update:

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Idiots who pat themselves on the back before recieving the counter-argument: 1
( God#2 )

EDIT: Speak of the Devil ..

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Sasuke now has the same level of speed as lee.

Unsustained.

On an off note, I just noticed that .gif someone posted of Neji, on the previous page. I need to get that game. That shit looked amazing.

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: Strider
It doesn't have to be the Kyuubi's Chakra? You're quickly freefalling into the "what if .." category.

"It probably isn't the Kyuubi Chakra Naruto's using .. The fact the dark whisker marks and fox pupils mean nothing! And, in the episode the fact Naruto was emanating with the distinct Kyuubi colored chakra means nothing .. it was his regular form."

Apparently Naruto uses both Kyuubi's chakra and his own while possessed by the fox. Even in one-tail form. This can be seen by the purple Rasengan he's used, which is his own chakra surrounded by Kyuubi's. See my sig for details.

But even if he didn't have his own blue chakra, he still has the same chakra flow as everyone else, just much more of it, which is used explosively. I'd think that if Sasuke could see that movement of chakra, he could definitely see a normal ninja's chakra movements. Especially Neji, who attacks specifically with (physically performed) chakra attacks.

Originally posted by: Strider

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Sasuke now has the same level of speed as lee.

Unsustained.

On an off note, I just noticed that .gif someone posted of Neji, on the previous page. I need to get that game. That shit looked amazing.

Unsustained? I'd think that being as fast as weightless Lee, with the curse seal (not even in level 2 I'd argue) and the sharingan, he'd be fast enough to have the upper hand in hand to hand combat. There are of course the other arguements like whether or not we are counting the filler 128 hakke thing, or whether or not the curse seal provides a way to overcome the blockadge (like Naruto did), that might give Neji more weight however.

And yeah, that NH3 clip is pretty awesome. Neji is so cool in that game.

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: darkshadow
neji would only need 1 touch on sasuke's body and it would be over, so even if it means the chidori would hit him afterwards, sasuke would die too, for me either neji wins, or its a draw

Sasuke's body is not made out of paper.

I didnt get the second part of your assumption. If sasuke dies then his body wont produce any chakra hence no chidori or if he has already trigered one then it would go off immediately becuase of no source of power. Unless you are imagining a chidori fire ball (just like in street fighter).

And no, its not a draw. Its a clear win for Sasuke. You need more <u>insight</u>

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
See my sig for details

I know its off topic but can I say that your sig. is one of the best looking sig on Gotwoot. (no, its not a joke)
I just love that Howl! Zabimaru!!!

Originally posted by: Strider
Thank you for the image link. It was beautiful. Nice work, there.

I am still shocked.



@ Chaoskiddo : You are trespassing. Say something.

[Carnage]

Originally posted by: Strider

Originally posted by: God#2
It says that he can track the chakra, doesnt have to be the Kyuubi's chakra. Otherwise Kakashi wouldn't have been able to makeout Zabuza's hand seals. And Sasuke also says that he feels the same as when he used the cursed seal. You cant take me seriously? But I just proved you wrong!

Thank you for the image link. It was beautiful. Nice work, there.

It doesn't have to be the Kyuubi's Chakra? You're quickly freefalling into the "what if .." category.

Thank you. But about Kakashi making Zabuza copy his jutsu, it was Zabuza's technique in the first place. Kakashi was copying Zabuza. Kakashi just hypnotized Zabazu into thinking that Kakashi could read minds and tell the future. His eye helped him reveal the hands signs before Zabuza could finish. This is fully understandable once we see how Sasuke's sharingan worked. Oh, and yes. That game kicks ass. Cant wait to get it.

P.S. The speed of One Tail Kyuubi is alot faster than neji or lee. If: (and Im talking about speed)

Sasuke w/o Curse seal = Lee w/o weights

then Sasuke &gt; Neji's speed

+ Neji has a limited area for which he can use the attack. Did you see that black semicircle he was in when he use that 128 somethingsomething move?

Now:

Kyuubi Naruto &gt; Seal Sasuke

Then 3 Pupil sharingan&gt; Kyuubi naruto

THEN 1 tail Naruto &gt; 3 pupil sharingan