but how? What would tsunade do that neji can't kaiten? Would she be capable of avoiding his 64HOH if she got too close? If she DID get 64HOHed, then medic ninja or not, she can't do anything about it without having access to her own chakra
but how? What would tsunade do that neji can't kaiten? Would she be capable of avoiding his 64HOH if she got too close? If she DID get 64HOHed, then medic ninja or not, she can't do anything about it without having access to her own chakra
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
@ Terra : You were the ninth person to vote in this thread. Even though you only said one word, Neji, your vote counted and it has been in the final score for ages. My only wish was that you would have visited this thread more often because I would like you to pwn Sasuke and Me, in that order.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
@ Strider : You dont hear me complaining about Shinda and Dark Maginn
I was afriad of bunch of noobs voting in this thread and it has begun.
Latest vote :
UltxDarkRedX1
UPDATED SCORE
SASUKE : 16
[ Assertn, Barles, SFreedomZGMFx20a, chet_chetty, Mut@chi, Nests, XanBcoo, coud656, Phoenix20578, Shuurai, 6Zabuza9, Chaoskiddo, darkmetal505, Edort4, Ban Kai, Zein ]
NEJI : 18
[DrCitan, Heero, Terra, Dark Maginn, Mite Gai, Turkish-S, Naruto_RNG, Dezalanel, Vasco, Heretic-Azazel, Shinda, Jurojin, Y, Kensee, Elmojo, Tinks, iMUSTbeTHEdevil, UltxDarkRedX1 ]
NOTE : Notice the Terra's highlighted vote.
Neji cannot spin indefinitely. She can continuously heave massive boulders, a la Jiroubo, at Neji. She can summon countless things. Destroy the ground, to disrupt Neji's footing for his Kaiten.Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
but how? What would tsunade do that neji can't kaiten? Would she be capable of avoiding his 64HOH if she got too close? If she DID get 64HOHed, then medic ninja or not, she can't do anything about it without having access to her own chakra
And, their levels for chakra capacity to begin with are on separate levels.
Aww. Don't go getting all sensitive on me.Originally posted by: Jadugar
@ Strider : You dont hear me complaining about Shinda and Dark Maginn
I wasn't getting on your case. I was simply curious as to how you were doing this. I also stated that they were the few that came to mind, who merely said one word or one liners, "My vote is .." Not that they were the only ones.
You have every right to complain about them. Your thread, your rules, remember? I just wanted to be clear on them so that we won't have to go through a repeat of them. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
You know. Suffer now, spare us later. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
Why?Originally posted by: Jadugar
NOTE : Notice the Terra's highlighted vote.
I'm missing the point / purpose of the bold names.
Color me stupid. I'm just visiting, though ..
Plus, if Neji is close enough to go Jyuuken on Tsunade, she's in striking distance and Neji would probably be squashed like a bug.
"They call it 'The American Dream' because you have to be asleep to believe it" - George Carlin
Are we talking about Neji and Tsunade now.
If we are all tired of talking about Sasuke vs Neji then to make it interesting I can make it two men team.
Two people on each side. Sasuke and Tsunade on one side and Neji and whatever person Strider wants to pick.
Or maybe I can replace Tsunade with someone else.
@ Strider : How about it. No picking and choosing yet though.
Neji vs Tsunade, kind of out of topic, but interested...
Neji and Tsunade, my vote is ... both die... why? base on who get hit first
If Neji hit Tsunade first with Jyuuken, Tsunade could die... The same goes to Neji since Tsunade has monster strength (no more post on Neji vs Tsunade)
EDIT
1> Sasuke will waste chidori on kaiten? and if Chidori really can break kaiten, the chakra in Kaiten will change the direction of Chidori (since Kaiten is spliting), so forget about "use chidori break kaiten", it never work.Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
From all the debating back and forth....I'd say the whole thing goes down to two things...
1) Whether or not chidori can pierce kaiten
2) Whether or not 64 HOH can contain sasuke's lv2 curse seal chakra
2>Let me think about it, ok, answer right now...
By the way, do you know 64 HOH is totally 126 hits? 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + 32 + 64 = 126, then 128 HOH will be... ( 2 + 4 + 8 +16 + 32 + 64 + 128 ...) 254 hits... if Sasuke get hit by 64 HOH (or 126 hits), can he stand? (just by the finger damage, not the chakra damage)... OK a little bit off question's topic, give me some time to solve your 2nd arg "Whether or not 64 HOH can contain sasuke's lv2 curse seal chakra"
EDIT
did not see the 'finger' damage from 64 hits? ep116-117 3m10s, Neji use 64 hits hit Kidoumaru, and break (make a whole to) the think tree... (just by the finger power... cool...)
dude....don't argue the points that ive settled as being the open-ended part of the debate. You're just beating a dead horse.Originally posted by: vasco
Neji vs Tsunade, kind of out of topic, but interested...
Neji and Tsunade, my vote is ... both die... why? base on who get hit first
If Neji hit Tsunade first with Jyuuken, Tsunade could die... The same goes to Neji since Tsunade has monster strength (no more post on Neji vs Tsunade)
EDIT
1> Sasuke will waste chidori on kaiten? and if Chidori really can break kaiten, the chakra in Kaiten will change the direction of Chidori (since Kaiten is spliting), so forget about "use chidori break kaiten", it never work.Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
From all the debating back and forth....I'd say the whole thing goes down to two things...
1) Whether or not chidori can pierce kaiten
2) Whether or not 64 HOH can contain sasuke's lv2 curse seal chakra
2>Let me think about it, ok, answer right now...
By the way, do you know 64 HOH is totally 126 hits? 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + 32 + 64 = 126, then 128 HOH will be... ( 2 + 4 + 8 +16 + 32 + 64 + 128 ...) 254 hits... if Sasuke get hit by 64 HOH (or 126 hits), can he stand? (just by the finger damage, not the chakra damage)... OK a little bit off question's topic, give me some time to solve your 2nd arg "Whether or not 64 HOH can contain sasuke's lv2 curse seal chakra"
EDIT
did not see the 'finger' damage from 64 hits? ep116-117 3m10s, Neji use 64 hits hit Kidoumaru, and break (make a whole to) the think tree... (just by the finger power... cool...)
What do you mean change the direction of chidori? As in, bend sasuke's arm to chidori himself? wtf...
and no, 64 HOH is 64 hits.....when he is calling out the numbers, he is calling out the total, not how many each time.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
True words.and no, 64 HOH is 64 hits.....when he is calling out the numbers, he is calling out the total, not how many each time.
I laugh heartily at how you suggest a Hokage could be beaten by Neji. Watch me.Neji and Tsunade, my vote is ... both die... why? base on who get hit first
HAR HAR HAR! Let's not discuss the details of a possible fight, but Tsunade is a caliber far above that of Neji. There wouldn't be much of a contest.
I see no reason why Sasuke could not do the exact same things, if not very similar things, to screw up Neji in the methods you just mentioned using the power of the Curse Seal + his own skill. I find it particularly funny that you bring up Chakra capacity as a factor - as the "Chakra capacity" of the curse seal gives Sasuke a major edge in this fight. I'm not suggesting he is as powerful as a Hokage though...just more than enough to beat Neji.Neji cannot spin indefinitely. She can continuously heave massive boulders, a la Jiroubo, at Neji. She can summon countless things. Destroy the ground, to disrupt Neji's footing for his Kaiten.
And, their levels for chakra capacity to begin with are on separate levels.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
am i the only 1 that thinks that hake is dumb? I mean your getting hit by a guy that is not very strong with 2 fingers on your shoulder... or your arm, yeah i know that if you're hit the 64 or 128 times you are almost dead but what prevents ppl from taking a kunai, and while you're hit the 12 time, make it go through neji eyes? i mean is like having a chidori without the sharingan... very powerful but you are just going head on, hitting with 2 fingers that doesnt knockdown any1. Byakugan doesnt give slowmotion camera so if your opponent is just enduring the first 10 hits could then fuck you up with anything he wants because you're too busy hitting him with your fingers! To aim for a tenketsu(whatever its called) must take some concentration, more than enough to get counterattacked.
Neji: You are inside my divination range!! hahaha!
Enemy: uhh *starts making seals*
Neji: here i go on my frontal attack without any great speed and my finger massive damage hits!
Enemy: Katon Ryuuka no Jutsu!
Neji: 2 hits! ....
Neji ashes:uhmmm... bbq, not bad.
Just rationalizating his move, no offense.
The path of excess leads to the tower of wisdom
About chidori vs kaitenOriginally posted by: AssertnFailure
What do you mean change the direction of chidori? As in, bend sasuke's arm to chidori himself? wtf...
and no, 64 HOH is 64 hits.....when he is calling out the numbers, he is calling out the total, not how many each time.
Try to think this. You drop a stone in the fast moving river, the stone will drop a few steps away to downstream (by the water flow). no matter how big of the rock, as long as the river flow fast enough, the rock will follow the river flow and drop a few steps away.
The same go to chidori vs kaiten, Kaiten is fast spliting (moving) chakra (water), Chidori with Sasuke (stone) crash into kaiten (river), (assume) even if it did not band off as normal and go inside of kaiten, Chidori and sasuke will follow the chakra (kaiten spliting) movement and change direction.
About 64 hoh
Let see the battle between Neji and Naruto: ep61 7m55s
Hakke two strikes! (2 hits, 1 left 1 right, right?)
four strikes! (we still can see 4 hit from Neji)
Eight strikes! (I try to count, but doesn't seem right in anime)
Sixteen strikes!
Thirty-two strikes! (just see a lot of chakra hiting Naruto)
Sixty-four strikes! (Naruto is flying)
So, Neji start from 2, then double the hit everytime unit 64
2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + 32 + 64 = 126 hits
he is really calling out the numbers, not calling out the total
(otherwise, we won't see four hits at second strikes so clearly, and the hit will be 2 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + 32)
(Thank you!)
Extra
Kabuto almost kill Tsunade by damage internal organs, right? so do Neji could do
EDIT
May be when 64 hits hit the body, the body will have 'reflection' (try this: you will close your eye automatic if you clap your hand in front of your eyes.). So, if you form a seal, it will cancel by the body reflection, i guess... and if you get direct hit by 64 hits (even just begining), your chakra flow may have problem already. Could you still mold your chakra and use fireball, is base on your luck.Originally posted by: Edort4
am i the only 1 that thinks that hake is dumb? .....
I am not tired of Neji v. Sasuke. I will not be done with this thread until I convert Assertn and Xan'.Originally posted by: Jadugar
If we are all tired of talking about Sasuke vs Neji then to make it interesting I can make it two men team.
Two people on each side. Sasuke and Tsunade on one side and Neji and whatever person Strider wants to pick.
Or maybe I can replace Tsunade with someone else.
@ Strider : How about it. No picking and choosing yet though.
As for two man teams? 'Eh, not my cup of tea. But, if those that frequent this thread see it as a good idea, I'll definitely roll with it.
Not sure who I would team up with Neji. Rock Lee and Neji are my favorite characters ..
I don't know.Originally posted by: XanBcoo
True words.and no, 64 HOH is 64 hits.....when he is calling out the numbers, he is calling out the total, not how many each time.
He is clearly striking a lot more points than simply sixty-four. Watch all the episodes where he's actually doing it. This is easily seen. He simply says, "I have shut down your 64 tenketsu (that regulate control over chakra) .."
It's possible that to shut down those primary tenketsu, the pathways to them, and all other surrounding tenketsu must be blocked.
Oh, c'mon.Originally posted by: XanBcoo
I see no reason why Sasuke could not do the exact same things, if not very similar things, to screw up Neji in the methods you just mentioned using the power of the Curse Seal + his own skill. I find it particularly funny that you bring up Chakra capacity as a factor - as the "Chakra capacity" of the curse seal gives Sasuke a major edge in this fight. I'm not suggesting he is as powerful as a Hokage though...just more than enough to beat Neji.
Sasuke does not have the strength of Tsunade. The battle experience. Or the chakra capacity.
The Curse Seal gives him a definitive power boost. Not another whole chakra pool. He isn't Naruto.
Also, the Curse Seal gives him this power boost to amplify his Katon moves that will really disrupt Neji's Kaiten? Bzzzzzt, try again.
Also, not a single time in all of my posts within this thread have I denied the Curse Seal being a major and the sole factor for Sasuke's advantage. However, for the millionth time, Neji would finally understand he'd be unable to defeat him by attacking, similar to his situation with Kidoumaru, and await Sasuke to come in with his signature Chidori, and go for the vital finishing blow. The end, for both of them.
In regards to Tsunade. Her chakra capacity is a factor. She can do so much and the level of her skills are oustandingly greater than any of the Genin. For Neji to win, he has to hit her with 64 Hands of Hakke - which will eliminate the access of her Chakra. Neji cannot one-hit kill Tsunade. She's a medical specialist. Similar to her bout with Orochimaru and Kabuto. If Neji happens to land a Jyuuken strike to a vital spot, or somewhere fatal, she will perform her necessary hand seals (which I'm sure are performed much faster than Genin level) and heal herself. It's not a winning battle for Neji. The gap between their levels are much too great. It's like Sasuke and Itachi. He'll always be the foolish little brother ..
Yeah, i get your analogy with the whole spinning causing things to hit it to be pulled through a current of some sort. But we never really see that happen with the kaiten. Anytime a shuriken hits it, it bounces right back. Anytime 5 narutos jump into it, they all go flying back the same angle that they approached it. If you go up to a moderately-fast moving shallow stream and try to punch through it to the soil below, you can easily bypass the current with any amount of effort. The chidori vs kaiten is still open-ended.Originally posted by: vasco
About chidori vs kaitenOriginally posted by: AssertnFailure
What do you mean change the direction of chidori? As in, bend sasuke's arm to chidori himself? wtf...
and no, 64 HOH is 64 hits.....when he is calling out the numbers, he is calling out the total, not how many each time.
Try to think this. You drop a stone in the fast moving river, the stone will drop a few steps away to downstream (by the water flow). no matter how big of the rock, as long as the river flow fast enough, the rock will follow the river flow and drop a few steps away.
The same go to chidori vs kaiten, Kaiten is fast spliting (moving) chakra (water), Chidori with Sasuke (stone) crash into kaiten (river), (assume) even if it did not band off as normal and go inside of kaiten, Chidori and sasuke will follow the chakra (kaiten spliting) movement and change direction.
About 64 hoh
Let see the battle between Neji and Naruto: ep61 7m55s
Hakke two strikes! (2 hits, 1 left 1 right, right?)
four strikes! (we still can see 4 hit from Neji)
Eight strikes! (I try to count, but doesn't seem right in anime)
Sixteen strikes!
Thirty-two strikes! (just see a lot of chakra hiting Naruto)
Sixty-four strikes! (Naruto is flying)
So, Neji start from 2, then double the hit everytime unit 64
2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + 32 + 64 = 126 hits
he is really calling out the numbers, not calling out the total
(otherwise, we won't see four hits at second strikes so clearly, and the hit will be 2 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + 32)
(Thank you!)
Extra
Kabuto almost kill Tsunade by damage internal organs, right? so do Neji could do
64 hands of hakke.....how do you know the 2 extra in the second set of pokes wasnt residual?
If you play Naruto 2 or 3 for gamecube, try performing the 64 HOH on someone. You'll get a 64 hit combo, not a 128 combo [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
So basically you're saying neji could beat tsunade.......hmm....good to know
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Well no shit man, I get that. I even stated it in the last sentence of my post [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]Sasuke does not have the strength of Tsunade. The battle experience. Or the chakra capacity.
Quoted this to finish my point from the first quote. The power boost Sasuke gets from the Curse Seal is about equal to that of Kyuubi-Naruto. The methods you suggested could be similarly carried out by Sasuke using that power. It doesn't matter if it's Hokage-power, it's still enough to give him a good advantage. He could wait out the Kaiten, or disrupt it's execution in any number of ways. He has increased strength, speed, and chakra capacity.The Curse Seal gives him a definitive power boost. Not another whole chakra pool. He isn't Naruto
I see a similar situation, but I still think Sasuke would have the advantage.However, for the millionth time, Neji would finally understand he'd be unable to defeat him by attacking, similar to his situation with Kidoumaru, and await Sasuke to come in with his signature Chidori, and go for the vital finishing blow. The end, for both of them.
About 64HOH, I think you and vasco are right about the number of hits.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
First, i did not play Naruto game. About the count in game, may be the game makers (actually is programmers) make mistake since they may not Naruto fans. They see 64HOH, so they think it is only 64 hits. and in order to make 64 hits, Neji need to hit 2 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + 32. not too make sence. We could not count the hit really in Manga (actually i did not read, so i don't know did they actually draw all hits, otherwise, you can count there), but in anime, we can clearly to see first (2 hits) and second (4 hits) strikes, and we can see/hear third strikes is about 8 hits as well... By the way, 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + 32 + 64 = 126 only, not 128 hits . And i just want to say the damage from his finger (strong enough to break tree), that all... the 64 HOH count just for fun!
About Kaiten and Chidori...
If chidori cannot pass kaiten, then sasuke will fly away just like thowing knife.
if chidori can pass kaiten, then sasuke will has no problem to pass his arm (since chidori only cover the arm) in kaiten. But, sasuke still cannot hit Neji (arm in Kaiten but body not), which either mean Chidori not work on Kaiten, or sasuke body need to go inside kaiten area. If Sasuke body go inside Kaiten area (his body did not cover by chidori, will just like thowing knife), then his body will either follow the chakra flow and keep turning, or sasuke will bond out (like regular thowing knife)
extra
I forget Tsunade has "Ninpou Souzou Saisei"... But if we don't count that, Kabuto almost kill her (so Neji should able to do the same, I guess)
You're full of shit.Originally posted by: vasco
First, i did not play Naruto game. About the count in game, may be the game makers (actually is programmers) make mistake since they may not Naruto fans. They see 64HOH, so they think it is only 64 hits. and in order to make 64 hits, Neji need to hit 2 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + 32. not too make sence. We could not count the hit really in Manga (actually i did not read, so i don't know did they actually draw all hits, otherwise, you can count there), but in anime, we can clearly to see first (2 hits) and second (4 hits) strikes, and we can see/hear third strikes is about 8 hits as well... By the way, 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + 32 + 64 = 126 only, not 128 hits . And i just want to say the damage from his finger (strong enough to break tree), that all... the 64 HOH count just for fun!
"They call it 'The American Dream' because you have to be asleep to believe it" - George Carlin
Ok, easy way for Neji to win:
Neji and Sasuke face off, staring at each other, when Neji points behind Sasuke and says "It's Itachi, your brother!"
Sasuke falls for the oldest trick in the book, and turns around wildly in an attempt to find and kill his brother, allowing Neji to zip up and make Sasuke's heart go all explody.
Please tell me that SOME of you will find humor in it, and not take it as me being serious. >_>
just Let me be nice and ask, which part of "You" is "full of shit"?Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
You're full of shit.
A> I did not play naruto game? (I am too poor to buy gamecube)
B> I said game makers mistaken? (I said may be only)
C> 64 HOH is 126 hits? (that is part of arg)
D> 64 HOH hit count for fun (I think it is fun, if you don't think so, you don't need to response)
E> Damage of 64 HOH? (I am saying the true, no personal opinion added)
F> Not in the quote? (I cannot help! and quote correctly)
G> About myself? (sorry, can't help. I am here, i won't get away because of you)
H> About yourself? (Sorry, can't help either)
I> About other people? (Then don't quote my writing)
J> About the Thread? (Then you make all people here are your enemy)
K> Just want to increase the post (Then you are really full of ...)
So, next time when you say "You're full of shit.", please give me/us a little bit more detail.
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It is funny, at least I feel. So, if we say "Neji, Hiashi/Hizashi, your uncle/father", will it work? (My vote is still in Neji)Originally posted by: Jurojin
Ok, easy way for Neji to win:
Neji and Sasuke face off, staring at each other, when Neji points behind Sasuke and says "It's Itachi, your brother!"
Sasuke falls for the oldest trick in the book, and turns around wildly in an attempt to find and kill his brother, allowing Neji to zip up and make Sasuke's heart go all explody.
nothing offence, just for fun.
There are 64 hits total, that's why. When he says the number, it's the total number, not the number he did between announcing it.
"They call it 'The American Dream' because you have to be asleep to believe it" - George Carlin
[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif[/img] little off-topic but defending my point here; I did say why I voted nejiOriginally posted by: Strider
Aww. Don't go getting all sensitive on me.Originally posted by: Jadugar
@ Strider : You dont hear me complaining about Shinda and Dark Maginn
I wasn't getting on your case. I was simply curious as to how you were doing this. I also stated that they were the few that came to mind, who merely said one word or one liners, "My vote is .." Not that they were the only ones.
You have every right to complain about them. Your thread, your rules, remember? I just wanted to be clear on them so that we won't have to go through a repeat of them. [img][/img]
You know. Suffer now, spare us later. [img][/img]
the point is, I can barely follow any of the arguments here, you guys go way too fast
so I just settle with reading once every while and not react
Erotic is using a feather. Kinky is using the whole chicken.
This isn't right.
Watch episode 61, please. Download it, or PM me if you need it.
When Neji performs the move for the first time, and every other subsequent time, he begins with "Hakke Nishou!" (Two strikes!). Directly following is "Yonshou!" (Four strikes!).
If you are saying that whenever he shouts, he is declaring the current total .. why does he perform four strikes to four separate points on Naruto? This is easily seen.
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