Sasuke VS Neji

[XanBcoo]

Just wanted to bring up that it was stated that Gaara's sand sheild is as hard as steel.

Even before then, Naruto was moving towards him. Sasuke sidestepped a few times, and punched him in the face. Kicked him square in the jaw, too. That was it. The only thing moving fast for Sasuke were his eyes.

Where and when did the two have to keep up with one another?

Basically throughout the whole episode (prior to "one tail" Naruto). And if you're talking about after Sasuke acheived the third dot, then I will also bring up that he technically "killed" Naruto - who was only saved because of Mr. Foxy.

[Strider]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Huh? Maybe you did....
You said it was like comparing apples to oranges, but both moves in question are melee type....which is why such a comparison can be a valid one. However, the guy's argument was that Neji had the strength advantage in close combat because he has the strongest taijutsu. And I'm saying sasuke has the advantage in close combat because he has a melee ninjutsu thats stronger than the strongest taijutsu. Jyuken may have the potential of being fatal, but it certainly took more than one direct hit to put hinata in a near-death state, which is more than how many it wouldve taken if it was sasuke with a chidori instead.

Yeah, I had missed your point. I see what you're saying now.

But, it was only one hit that placed Hinata into critical condition. All the previous hits were done with the intent of closing her tenketsu and chakra access, to simply eliminate the need for the fight continue. However, with Naruto's idiotic self continuously cheering for her to go further, the hostility in Neji escalated and that is when the intent to kill entered the fray.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
What about sand castles molded together from the chakra of a demon? Sasuke pulled off what nobody in the sand village could pull off....penetrating gaara's absolute defense. I think that has to count for something. We're talking sand hardened from the chakra of a demon vs raw chakra from a genius genin. Everything has to have a threshold where it can be penetrated. Especially in anime.

It wasn't Shukaku's chakra with the Sphere of Sand. That was Gaara's. It was done to allow him a moment to hibernate, and allow the demon to gain control, at that point.

Everything has a threshold. Right.

I simply hold Kaiten's in much higher regard then Gaara's bullshit sand castle, is all. Plus, what I was inferring, is that Gaara was stationary. Kaiten is moving, which provides much more resistance, causing a greater force to be directly applied to penetrate.

I know you feel Chidori easily fits this bill, but I'm too stubborn to see otherwise. I understand your argument to this point, but I simply don't agree.

And, 'cause you all demanded it .. !!

UPDATED SCORE

S A S U K E : 16
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N E J I : 17
[ DrCitan, Heero, Terra, Dark Maginn, Mite Gai, Turkish-S, Naruto_RNG, Dezalanel, Vasco, Heretic-Azazel, Shinda, Jurojin, Y, Kensee, elmojo, Tinks, iMUSTbeTHEdevil ]


I'm going to get promoted soon too, I think.

So, before I do .. the GW Genin Squad on a mission to enlighten those around us to Neji's brilliance and greatness is .. Dezalanel, Heretic Azazel, Heero, DrCitan and myself. Jadugar and XanBcoo can kill each other for Jounin ownership. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]


EDIT: STOP POSTING WHILE I'M POSTING AND QUOTING YOU ALL, DAMNIT!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img]

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
Basically throughout the whole episode. And if you're talking about after Sasuke acheived the third dot, then I will also bring up that he technically "killed" Naruto - who was only saved because of Mr. Foxy.

I was never referring to the episodes, as none of that actually occurred in the manga.

Naruto was not killed. He received an extremely hard heel to his jaw, and was nearly unconscious in the water. The fox then took over, after laughing about how pathetic he was.

We're sticking to the manga. The anime can go to hell.

[Jadugar]

@ : JAREDSTER

Stop shitting in my thread. You didnt have the balls to discuss anything before

Originally posted by: Jaredster
this debate is getting to huge for me.

and I doubt that anything has changed. First you said you voted then you said, you didnt. You vote and opinion are meaningless to us. Dont bother coming in here EVER.



@ : iMUSTbeTHEdevil

Originally posted by: Strider
Thanks for the vote, iMUSTbeTHEdevil. Your vote has given Neji a one vote edge. Rightfully so

rightfully?

Originally posted by: iMUSTbeTHEdevil
One vote for Neji please!

iMUSTbeTHEdevil

uMUSTbeSTUPID

I am not taking any pizza orders, moron. You want to vote for Neji, fine go write me a fucking post which is more than five words, two sentences and 20 words.



@: STRIDER

iMUSTbeTHEdevil's vote has been put on standby. WHY?

"Y" posted in this thread with vague comment that Sasuke can do this and Neji can do this. I pm'ed him to give me a definite answer and he edited his post and voted for Neji.

Thats what I want. Someone who has made-up his mind, willing to discuss and can backup his arguments.

Some of Vasco's posts have been ridiculed by everyone in this thread and even you. Some of the stuff he says doesnt make any sense but I like his enthusiasm.

You want "iMUSTbeTHEdevil"'s vote counted. Page him, pm him and ask him to write more than two sentences on Neji. Then I will reconsider his vote.

You have seem to forgotten that I created this thread. I created this thread because people can discuss Sasuke and Neji's characters in detail.

Let me remind you again. MY THREAD, MY RULES[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif[/img]

As for the update score I have been doing it perfectly fine and with honesty. There is no need for you to put updated score at the end you your post. That privilege is only for me and only me (owner). I think you can be pretty sure that I will not pull a fast one on you but my decision will be final on the scoring thing and I have discarded that n00b's (iMUSTnrSTUPID) vote. My updated score after one or two pages is more than enough and I also have been editing the first page of this thread which shows the latest votes and scores.

So refrain from putting updated score in your posts. Everyone knows where they stand if they bother to come and check. Although you can put a reminder in your post that includes latest votes.


Latest score:

Tinks, Elmojo.

UPDATED SCORE

SASUKE : 16
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NEJI : 16
[DrCitan, Heero, Terra, Dark Maginn, Mite Gai, Turkish-S, Naruto_RNG, Dezalanel, Vasco, Heretic-Azazel, Shinda, Jurojin, Y, Kensee, Elmojo, Tinks ]

NOTE: dont have enough time to respond to your comments, will get back to you as soon as possible.
My thanks to all of you who have been participating in this thread.

[XanBcoo]

Wow...don't let all that "power" go to your head Jadugar....[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]

@Strider: I haven't read the manga version of episode 133. Although I guessed the fight might have been "spiced up" a bit, I wasn't aware that it was radically different.

[vasco]

Thanks to Strider answer AssertnFailure, but I should Response to AssertnFailure questions as well

Point 5> 64 hit damage (64 hit only block ckakra, no internal organs damage)
Lee: "So, if your ckakra circulatory system is attacked, you will take damage to your internal organs, too"
By the way, Neji don't want to kill everyone in the exam (actually he does at the end), there is no reason make Hinata or Naruto completely die, right. I think 64 hits can be fatal if Neji wish... Next...
Prove: ep46 19m28s

Point 9> Speed - Neji
Acutally, I don't need to response to this since Jaredster provided the URL of Neji and Sasuke, but I like to arg, so I tell you my points
If Lee could beat Neji just by dropping the weight, Lee did it for long time! That mean Lee still could not win Neji by dropping weight. And Sasuke (actually no one) won't able to caught up with Lee when he open 5 gate (may be Haku?).

Point 10> Speed - Sasuke
But most of the time, Sasuke are in sick bed, how can he train his stamina? (by doing...? Hentai!) Next...

Point 11>close combat skill - Neji
"Hyuuga style" is combat skill, which give you good move
"Level 2 Curse Seal" only give you power, will not give you good move.
For example... Chidori (as curse seal) is powerful, but Kakashi and Itachi (as "Hyuuga style") could take care it easily


Point 12> Close combat skill - Sasuke
Le me make sure this first... close combat skill will be like Neji's 64hits, Lee's lotus, sasuke's Lion Combo, Naruto's Uzumaki combo... "sharingan-controlled shuriken blades" should be long distant or so since sasuke need to thow it.
So, the only sasuke's close combat skill he knows is Lion Combo. And Lion combo begining action is copy from Lee. will Neji fall for it.
Kakashi: "The move before the Lion Combo was a Gai hand-to-hand combat move. So he copied it with his Sharingan when he fought that Lee kid."
If you know more sasuke close combat skill, please tell me instead of saying "a lot"
Prove: ep39 10m05s

Point 13> Defence: Neji vs Sasuke
I believing I am talking defence. I am saying Neji defence is much stronger than Sasuke, that all. But you say "chidori vs Kaiten"? I will cover chidori later...

Point 15> It hurts - even just one hit, not 64 hits
Covered by point 5 and 1 (64 hits - no need to hit Chakra point)

Point 16> Shanringan - Useless
Zabuza say something like that before, if Shanringan could not see the target, it won't able to read the move / mind / anything, that why Zabuza use mist to 'blind' Kakashi. So if Sasuke could not see Neji (let say by smoke bomb), sasuke's shanringan will be almost usless (besides use chidori). But Neji has Byakugan, which allow him to see even in smoke or so. I don't think Sasuke could block 64 hits without Shanringan (or just eye).

Point 17> Blood Seal Lv 2
If "Final blast" is the first move in the battle. If Sasuke so unlucky, he blocks 64 hits with his arm and get damage, won't able to use chidori, no matter how much Chikara he has, it will become useless. (Even i assume sasuke block 64 hits, but very high chance it happened, right?)

Point 18>Naruto Hit Neji from ground at ep62
I believe Ninja should 2 (at least 1) step ahead of your enemy (they always say in Ninja Academic), that is what Naruto did in ep62. When did Neji from 'Genius' become 'idiots' level ninja?
(out of topic, last post)

Point 21>Chidori - work?
It doesn't matter 3x or 2x Sasuke could use, the more important is how he use. Since Sasuke has limited time to chidori, so he won't waste it in kaiten (may be he will in anime since people want to see) or just random use (he kind of did when vs Naruto). If Kakashi and Itachi could stop Chidori so easy, why can't Neji? And what if Sasuke get damage in his arm from 64 hits? (ok, too much 'if')
Sasuke is not stupid, to make sure he won't waste Chakra, he will make sure Neji won't able to dodge it. Just like Sasuke Vs Naruto, Sasuke need to immobile Neji/Naruto first.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
When do ninjas leave openings though? Usually right after they miss an attack....

In ep127-128 28m50s, Sasuke wide open for Naruto attack ^_^
By the way, when did Tenten or anyone say "Neji is defence type, not offence"? (I just want to know)

New point:
22>"sharingan-controlled shuriken blades"
OK.. Shuriken Blades... the "shadow windmill", the same thing in ep8, right?
i> It is big + heavy, which need to carry with back-pack (see ep 8)or so... If Sasuke really carrys it, it will decrease Sasuke reaction speed.
ii> It is not a standard eq., normal Ninjas, besides in mission, they won't carry it (he did not use when in exam or vs naruto)!
iii> Even if Sasuke carry and use it on Neji, Neji can dodge it, block it, or even catch it (Since he has 360 vision, and can see which one and where the real blades is).
iv> I think no one will carry 2 set of blade, right? So, if Sasuke use once and block/lose the blade, no more...
v> Sasuk need to use Sharingan to use, right? So, if he could not see (like in smoke), it won't work.
vi> You think Neji is stupid, give time to Sasuke to use it? (unluckily, Yes. In anime world, player always wait for another player to attack)

I did not see it in anime (that all i watch), please tell me which ep it appear, and please correct me if i say anything wrong.


By the way, Jadugar, thanks for your "I like his enthusiasm.", but please also be nice to others as well... In this thread, we may enemy, but next thread, we may be allias... We are all Naruto fans, right?

[vasco]

Originally posted by: vasco
Thanks to Strider answer AssertnFailure, but I should Response to AssertnFailure questions as well

Point 5> 64 hit damage (64 hit only block ckakra, no internal organs damage)
Lee: "So, if your ckakra circulatory system is attacked, you will take damage to your internal organs, too"
By the way, Neji don't want to kill everyone in the exam (actually he does at the end), there is no reason make Hinata or Naruto completely die, right. I think 64 hits can be fatal if Neji wish... Next...
Prove: ep46 19m28s

Point 9> Speed - Neji
Acutally, I don't need to response to this since Jaredster provided the URL of Neji and Sasuke, but I like to arg, so I tell you my points
If Lee could beat Neji just by dropping the weight, Lee did it for long time! That mean Lee still could not win Neji by dropping weight. And Sasuke (actually no one) won't able to caught up with Lee when he open 5 gate (may be Haku?).

Point 10> Speed - Sasuke
But most of the time, Sasuke are in sick bed, how can he train his stamina? (by doing...? Hentai!) Next...

Point 11>close combat skill - Neji
"Hyuuga style" is combat skill, which give you good move
"Level 2 Curse Seal" only give you power, will not give you good move.
For example... Chidori (as curse seal) is powerful, but Kakashi and Itachi (as "Hyuuga style") could take care it easily


Point 12> Close combat skill - Sasuke
Le me make sure this first... close combat skill will be like Neji's 64hits, Lee's lotus, sasuke's Lion Combo, Naruto's Uzumaki combo... "sharingan-controlled shuriken blades" should be long distant or so since sasuke need to thow it.
So, the only sasuke's close combat skill he knows is Lion Combo. And Lion combo begining action is copy from Lee. will Neji fall for it.
Kakashi: "The move before the Lion Combo was a Gai hand-to-hand combat move. So he copied it with his Sharingan when he fought that Lee kid."
If you know more sasuke close combat skill, please tell me instead of saying "a lot"
Prove: ep39 10m05s

Point 13> Defence: Neji vs Sasuke
I believing I am talking defence. I am saying Neji defence is much stronger than Sasuke, that all. But you say "chidori vs Kaiten"? I will cover chidori later...

Point 15> It hurts - even just one hit, not 64 hits
Covered by point 5 and 1 (64 hits - no need to hit Chakra point)

Point 16> Shanringan - Useless
Zabuza say something like that before, if Shanringan could not see the target, it won't able to read the move / mind / anything, that why Zabuza use mist to 'blind' Kakashi. So if Sasuke could not see Neji (let say by smoke bomb), sasuke's shanringan will be almost usless (besides use chidori). But Neji has Byakugan, which allow him to see even in smoke or so. I don't think Sasuke could block 64 hits without Shanringan (or just eye).

Point 17> Blood Seal Lv 2
If "Final blast" is the first move in the battle. If Sasuke so unlucky, he blocks 64 hits with his arm and get damage, won't able to use chidori, no matter how much Chikara he has, it will become useless. (Even i assume sasuke block 64 hits, but very high chance it happened, right?)

Point 18>Naruto Hit Neji from ground at ep62
I believe Ninja should 2 (at least 1) step ahead of your enemy (they always say in Ninja Academic), that is what Naruto did in ep62. When did Neji from 'Genius' become 'idiots' level ninja?
(out of topic, last post)

Point 21>Chidori - work?
It doesn't matter 3x or 2x Sasuke could use, the more important is how he use. Since Sasuke has limited time to chidori, so he won't waste it in kaiten (may be he will in anime since people want to see) or just random use (he kind of did when vs Naruto). If Kakashi and Itachi could stop Chidori so easy, why can't Neji? And what if Sasuke get damage in his arm from 64 hits? (ok, too much 'if')
Sasuke is not stupid, to make sure he won't waste Chakra, he will make sure Neji won't able to dodge it. Just like Sasuke Vs Naruto, Sasuke need to immobile Neji/Naruto first.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
When do ninjas leave openings though? Usually right after they miss an attack....

In ep127-128 28m50s, Sasuke wide open for Naruto attack ^_^
By the way, when did Tenten or anyone say "Neji is defence type, not offence"? (I just want to know)

New point:
22>"sharingan-controlled shuriken blades"
OK.. Shuriken Blades... the "shadow windmill", the same thing in ep8, right?
i> It is big + heavy, which need to carry with back-pack (see ep 8)or so... If Sasuke really carrys it, it will decrease Sasuke reaction speed.
ii> It is not a standard eq., normal Ninjas, besides in mission, they won't carry it (he did not use when in exam or vs naruto)!
iii> Even if Sasuke carry and use it on Neji, Neji can dodge it, block it, or even catch it (Since he has 360 vision, and can see which one and where the real blades is).
iv> I think no one will carry 2 set of blade, right? So, if Sasuke use once and block/lose the blade, no more...
v> Sasuk need to use Sharingan to use, right? So, if he could not see (like in smoke), it won't work.
vi> You think Neji is stupid, give time to Sasuke to use it? (unluckily, Yes. In anime world, player always wait for another player to attack)

EDIT
I did not see "sharingan-controlled shuriken blades" in anime (that all i watch), please tell me which ep it appear, and please correct me if i say anything wrong.


By the way, Jadugar, thanks for your "I like his enthusiasm.", but please also be nice to others as well... In this thread, we may enemy, but next thread, we may be allias... We are all Naruto fans, right?

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: vasco
I did not see it in anime (that all i watch), please tell me which ep it appear, and please correct me if i say anything wrong

Episode 30 : Revive, Sharingan! Finish Move - Fire Element, Dragon Fire Technique!

You should have asked someone else who has watched it recenlty. I think you know him.

Originally posted by: Strider
Episode 30: Revive Sharingan!

.. I became a Sharingan fanboy for the first two minutes. When Sasuke was watching Orochimaru move, and then Orochimaru sped up and became very blurred out with his quick movements, and Sasuke was saying, "I can see .. I can see!" - coupled with Strong and Strike. Man, classic moment.

Sasuke ties Orochimaru to the tree with the help of Sharingan-Controlled Triple Windmill Blades.

Originally posted by: vasco
In this thread, we may enemy, but next thread, we may be allias... We are all Naruto fans, right?

You think Strider and I are enemies. No, we are rivals in this thread but outside this threads were are friends.
As for you being my ally, I will think about it. Done, the answer is No. Just kidding[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

Do all of us a favor and stop double posting. Just edit your last one or wait for someone else to post. Thanx.

I am counting on you to keep this thread alive.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: vasco
Point 5> 64 hit damage (64 hit only block ckakra, no internal organs damage)
Lee: "So, if your ckakra circulatory system is attacked, you will take damage to your internal organs, too"
By the way, Neji don't want to kill everyone in the exam (actually he does at the end), there is no reason make Hinata or Naruto completely die, right. I think 64 hits can be fatal if Neji wish... Next...
Prove: ep46 19m28s

You missed my the point I was making the last time you said this. At least Strider knew what I was talking about. The 64 HOH doesn't inflict damage on the organs, it's SOLE purpose is to immobolize the enemy by blocking all their chakra. Don't compare it with his match against Hinata either....he didn't use 64 HOH on her (I dont know if he even KNEW how to perform it during the prelims either)

Point 9> Speed - Neji
Acutally, I don't need to response to this since Jaredster provided the URL of Neji and Sasuke, but I like to arg, so I tell you my points
If Lee could beat Neji just by dropping the weight, Lee did it for long time! That mean Lee still could not win Neji by dropping weight. And Sasuke (actually no one) won't able to caught up with Lee when he open 5 gate (may be Haku?).

As I said before. Speed isn't the only counter to speed. Just because Neji can still fight lee without his weights doesn't mean that Neji is as fast as lee without his weights. I'd ignore the URL. Why? Because ou've got the range of speed from Chouji to Gai covered in only 5 units. Terribly inaccurate.

Point 10> Speed - Sasuke
But most of the time, Sasuke are in sick bed, how can he train his stamina? (by doing...? Hentai!) Next...

I'm pretty sure a few months passed by between the konoha invasion and meeting up with itachi. But that's really not important. I mainly go by the fact that we've never seen stamina be an issue for him anymore.

Point 11>close combat skill - Neji
"Hyuuga style" is combat skill, which give you good move
"Level 2 Curse Seal" only give you power, will not give you good move.
For example... Chidori (as curse seal) is powerful, but Kakashi and Itachi (as "Hyuuga style") could take care it easily

Regular punch + level 2 curse seal > good taijutsu

Point 15> It hurts - even just one hit, not 64 hits
Covered by point 5 and 1 (64 hits - no need to hit Chakra point)

I can visualize the quote you're taking that from: Gai during the prelims. However the 64HOH was never introduced during the prelims. Something must be wrong with your quote recitation o.O

Point 16> Shanringan - Useless
Zabuza say something like that before, if Shanringan could not see the target, it won't able to read the move / mind / anything, that why Zabuza use mist to 'blind' Kakashi. So if Sasuke could not see Neji (let say by smoke bomb), sasuke's shanringan will be almost usless (besides use chidori). But Neji has Byakugan, which allow him to see even in smoke or so. I don't think Sasuke could block 64 hits without Shanringan (or just eye).

Awesome, a what-if scenario. Neji doesn't use smoke bombs...i'd be surprised if he ever will. Neji still isnt very offensive, so it wouldn't fit his fighting style to do so anyway.

Point 18>Naruto Hit Neji from ground at ep62
I believe Ninja should 2 (at least 1) step ahead of your enemy (they always say in Ninja Academic), that is what Naruto did in ep62. When did Neji from 'Genius' become 'idiots' level ninja?
(out of topic, last post)

What point are you trying to make?

Point 21>Chidori - work?
It doesn't matter 3x or 2x Sasuke could use, the more important is how he use. Since Sasuke has limited time to chidori, so he won't waste it in kaiten (may be he will in anime since people want to see) or just random use (he kind of did when vs Naruto). If Kakashi and Itachi could stop Chidori so easy, why can't Neji? And what if Sasuke get damage in his arm from 64 hits? (ok, too much 'if')
Sasuke is not stupid, to make sure he won't waste Chakra, he will make sure Neji won't able to dodge it. Just like Sasuke Vs Naruto, Sasuke need to immobile Neji/Naruto first.

Sharingan works differently than Byakugan does. That's why kakashi and itachi could stop it while neji couldn't. Neji can't subconsciously break down, interpret, and predict jutsus as they are performed, like the sharingan allows uchihas to, he can only see it as it approaches him.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
When do ninjas leave openings though? Usually right after they miss an attack....

In ep127-128 28m50s, Sasuke wide open for Naruto attack ^_^
By the way, when did Tenten or anyone say "Neji is defence type, not offence"? (I just want to know)

You call that an "opening"? I call that "Sasuke being cocky and not even seeing naruto as an opponent worth looking at"
Tenten says that when Neji first uses the kaiten in the main matches, i think.

[vasco]

Thanks for the ep for "sharingan-controlled shuriken blades" , response later (do i need to? since no one response to my that part of post)

Neji still isnt very offensive, so it wouldn't fit his fighting style to do so anyway.[/quote]
If so, then why Neji run away from Kidoumaru's arrrow attack?
Neji will do the things what ever is necessary!

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Point 18>Naruto Hit Neji from ground at ep62
What point are you trying to make?

Neji become stupid at there, becuase Naruto do 2 steps ahead of him and punch him. If Neji did not act cool, and make sure he lose (and the story not require Neji lose), I don't think Neji will lose.
(out of topic, out of topic.... >.< let stop discuss it)

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Sharingan works differently than Byakugan does. That's why kakashi and itachi could stop it while neji couldn't. Neji can't subconsciously break down, interpret, and predict jutsus as they are performed, like the sharingan allows uchihas to, he can only see it as it approaches him.

OK, then what about Neji use "Hyuuga style" to catch his arm? same result... it is not important how to stop chidori, the more important is chidori can be stop (and not so hard to stop).

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
You call that an "opening"? I call that "Sasuke being cocky and not even seeing naruto as an opponent worth looking at"

An opening is opening... as long as you do not block and eat direct damage, it is an opening, no matter what you are thinking (let him hit you or not). And your statement is : "When do ninjas leave openings though?", that why i responsed, that all. (nothing offence to Sasuke)

By the way, i still did not find tenten say Neji is defence type after Kaiten... she just experience how it work, and say it is his absolute defence. could you tell me which min/s at in which ep (the first time Neji use kaiten is ep 61, 4m35s), so i could know it, thanks

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Sharingan works differently than Byakugan does. That's why kakashi and itachi could stop it while neji couldn't. Neji can't subconsciously break down, interpret, and predict jutsus as they are performed, like the sharingan allows uchihas to, he can only see it as it approaches him.

OK, then what about Neji use "Hyuuga style" to catch his arm? same result... it is not important how to stop chidori, the more important is chidori can be stop (and not so hard to stop).

what exactly does it mean to use "hyuuga style" to catch an arm? I still think sasuke's sharingan would give him a better chance at reacting to anything neji does than neji's byakugan reacting to the chidori.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
You call that an "opening"? I call that "Sasuke being cocky and not even seeing naruto as an opponent worth looking at"

An opening is opening... as long as you do not block and eat direct damage, it is an opening, no matter what you are thinking (let him hit you or not). And your statement is : "When do ninjas leave openings though?", that why i responsed, that all. (nothing offence to Sasuke)

But it wasn't even a battle at that point. It was sasuke walking away not seeing naruto as any sort of threat. You might as well say "ninja X left an opening when he was sleeping in his bedroom 3 stories high in an apt complex in his home village." Ninjas are only alert when they have a reason to feel alert.

By the way, i still did not find tenten say Neji is defence type after Kaiten... she just experience how it work, and say it is his absolute defence. could you tell me which min/s at in which ep (the first time Neji use kaiten is ep 61, 4m35s), so i could know it, thanks

Maybe it was before the kaiten, when naruto first lunged at neji during the match. I don't keep the older episodes on my harddrive, so I can't give you exact ep#/time.

[Strider]

Originally posted by: Jadugar
rightfully?

Pretty much.

I didn't stutter. Or since this is on the 'net, I didn't fat-finger it.

Originally posted by: Jadugar
Some of Vasco's posts have been ridiculed by everyone in this thread and even you. Some of the stuff he says doesnt make any sense but I like his enthusiasm.

We can't deny him of that. I said the same thing in one of my much earlier posts.

Originally posted by: Jadugar
You want "iMUSTbeTHEdevil"'s vote counted. Page him, pm him and ask him to write more than two sentences on Neji. Then I will reconsider his vote.

I'm too lazy to PM him. Hopefully, he'll come in this thread and see this and do what you're asking.

However, I must ask if you're enforcing such rules, where all voters must provide a minimum requirement of text within the replies, is this going to apply to all previous voters, or is there a Grandfather Clause in effect? I ask this because then a number of votes are in question, and then this really all goes to hell.

A few that come to mind, is Shuurai .. the Zabuza kid, and even Terra.

Originally posted by: Jadugar
Let me remind you again. MY THREAD, MY RULES

As for the update score I have been doing it perfectly fine and with honesty. There is no need for you to put updated score at the end you your post. That privilege is only for me and only me (owner). I think you can be pretty sure that I will not pull a fast one on you but my decision will be final on the scoring thing and I have discarded that n00b's (iMUSTnrSTUPID) vote. My updated score after one or two pages is more than enough and I also have been editing the first page of this thread which shows the latest votes and scores.

So refrain from putting updated score in your posts. Everyone knows where they stand if they bother to come and check. Although you can put a reminder in your post that includes latest votes.

Touchy, touchy ..

First the guy thanks me for being the initial one to post a scoreboard and regularly do so for the people making their votes and board voices heard, now the guy's putting trademarks and hitting me with copyright infringement suits. Get outta' here ..

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
@Strider: I haven't read the manga version of episode 133. Although I guessed the fight might have been "spiced up" a bit, I wasn't aware that it was radically different.

You should read the manga chapter. I believe it is something like Chapter 218, or around that area.

In the anime episode, in comparison to the manga, it was dramatically changed. However, it was all a VAST improvement, in the additions they placed in the episode.

So you have an idea .. in the manga, after Naruto stated that he is Sasuke's friend, and will break the bones in his arms and legs if necessary, Naruto charged in. Similar to the episode, yes. After a quick exchange of Naruto smashing in Sasuke's face, and getting smacked around underwater, Sasuke leaped out and onto the nearby cliffside. He tied his forehead protector on, and as he got into stance, the third Sharingan comma appeared. He egged Naruto to attack, after saying something like, ".. Then, I shall break those bonds!" ("Bonds" was actually the name of the Manga Chapter)

Naruto attacked. Sasuke easily evaded. With Naruto continuously attacking, Sasuke realized he could see Naruto's next move. He ruined Naruto's face with a fierce punch, that caused Naruto to fall off the cliffside and into the water. Naruto quickly jumped out of the water to retaliate, but Sasuke countered with a rising kick that landed square in his jaw. This put Naruto back into the water, where the Fox laughed at him and bestowed him with some of its power. One-Tail Naruto.

One-Tail hit Sasuke once or twice. Sasuke countered with a Katon: Goukyaku no Jutsu, but Naruto was protected by the Fox's chakra. Naruto then grabbed Sasuke, with the elongation of the Kyuubi's arm, and smashed Sasuke into the rock. Sasuke then laughed, as the seal's activation was occurring. You know the rest.

That is all that happened. There was literally an exchange of maybe twelve hits, at the very most, within the manga. The episode was a much better dramatization and incorporation of the manga.

Originally posted by: Jadugar
You think Strider and I are enemies. No, we are rivals in this thread but outside this threads were are friends.

Word.

Originally posted by: Jadugar
Do all of us a favor and stop double posting. Just edit your last one or wait for someone else to post. Thanx.

Seriously.

It's getting irritating.


@ Assertn: I agree with the majority of your counter-points, except a very few things here and there I am too tired to address. I just thought I'd say that, as I never thought I'd see the day. Heh.

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: Strider
I'm too lazy to PM him. Hopefully, he'll come in this thread and see this and do what you're asking.

The way he is posting in every thread I am sure he will be back.

Terra's vote counts.

About the iMUSTbeTHEdevil'vote, I havent discarded it. Its just on standby. I just want him to be the part of the discusssion. It would have been a lot easier for me to make a poll for this thread but then we wouldnt had this madness which is called Sasuke vs Neji. I have to do certain things to make this thread alive. It wouldnt be any fun if we didnt had any disagreements.

I certainly cant take the credit for this thread. You intense interaction has made it possible, also the people who have been posting in here. I am sorry if I did use some harsh words in my earlier post.

Originally posted by: Strider
@ Assertn: I agree with the majority of your counter-points, except a very few things here and there I am too tired to address. I just thought I'd say that, as I never thought I'd see the day. Heh.

Ditto. I have had sleepless nights because of this thread. Its taken most of my spare time in the last 2 /3 weeks.

Dont worry I have another great idea which has yet to materialise. I will certainly let you know.

Now cheer up[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

[iMUSTbeTHEdevil]

[quote]
Originally posted by: Jadugar

Originally posted by: Strider
I'm too lazy to PM him. Hopefully, he'll come in this thread and see this and do what you're asking.

The way he is posting in every thread I am sure he will be back.

Terra's vote counts.

About the iMUSTbeTHEdevil'vote, I havent discarded it. Its just on standby. I just want him to be the part of the discusssion. It would have been a lot easier for me to make a poll for this thread but then we wouldnt had this madness which is called Sasuke vs Neji. I have to do certain things to make this thread alive. It wouldnt be any fun if we didnt had any disagreements.

SO what do you want me to say?

I think that Neji would win because he has better Chakra control. And if he landed his 128 strikes of divinity he would stop Sasuke's Chakra flow making him useless. So until we find out if Sasuke can gather excess chakra just from the cursed seal. I am going with Neji.



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[Strider]

I do not think we're factoring in anything that was added to the animated series, that was not within the manga. However, your basic point should be understood that, you're saying if Sasuke is struck by any of the Hakke moves, his chakra's done for.

I agree with such. I still don't think Sasuke would be able to overcome that deficiency, if he was struck.

[Terracosmo]

I didn't even know there was a poll involved. Neji would pwn Sasuke to the ground. I don't really care if that counts as a working vote or not :S

[Jadugar]

Latest vote :

iMUSTbeTHEdevil

UPDATED SCORE

SASUKE : 16
[ Assertn, Barles, SFreedomZGMFx20a, chet_chetty, Mut@chi, Nests, XanBcoo, coud656, Phoenix20578, Shuurai, 6Zabuza9, Chaoskiddo, darkmetal505, Edort4, Ban Kai, Zein ]

NEJI : 17
[DrCitan, Heero, Terra, Dark Maginn, Mite Gai, Turkish-S, Naruto_RNG, Dezalanel, Vasco, Heretic-Azazel, Shinda, Jurojin, Y, Kensee, Elmojo, Tinks, iMUSTbeTHEdevil ]

[RedX1z]

no matter how i think about it, i can't picture a scenario where sasuke would win, all i see is, neji would dodge everything sasuke throws then as soon as sasuke's chakra hits 0..he's fucked. i go with neji.(don't get me wrong, sasuke is still number 1 to me.)

[Strider]

Up by the deuces!

@ Jad': kAi, Azn' and your pal, Jared', never voted either. They posted, but never spoke their piece in full.

@ Terra: Your vote counts everywhere. Drag PSJ in here.

[Assertn]

Is it common practice for neji enthusiasts to support their stance using as little supporting detail as possible? At least some of them spent the extra effort of copy/pasting arguments that other neji enthusiasts made [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

From all the debating back and forth....I'd say the whole thing goes down to two things...
1) Whether or not chidori can pierce kaiten
2) Whether or not 64 HOH can contain sasuke's lv2 curse seal chakra

I can imagine scenarios where kishimoto can direct the battle either way using those two conditions.

But for people saying that Neji should win against ANY close-range opponent that doesnt move as fast as lee + 5 gates....
who would win in this match: Neji vs Tsunade?

[Strider]

Tsunade would win. She is in another class, leagues above Neji. And, Tsunade has been shown to be the melee fighter of the Sannin. However, all of them are well versed in all realms of being a ninja, especially Tsunade having practiced and nearly mastering medical ninjutsu. She reads a lot, as well. She is indefinitely well versed in all the Konoha clans, trademarks, abilities and secret arts, I'm sure.

Although, I'd put money on Hizashi taking her out, if he so chose to. Not easily, but he'd get the job done.