Sasuke VS Neji

[Strider]

Originally posted by: Jadugar
@Strider : You should be doing this.

I should be doing what .. ? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
64 hands of hakke is different than jyuuken. 64 hands immobolize the enemy, jyuuken damages their organs. You're mixing the quotes and logistics.

Word.

This is true. 64 Hands of Hakke is different, but still a form of Jyuuken. Jyuuken is where chakra is emitted with each strike with intent to damage an enemy's internal organs. I think we can all agree on this, considering I'm sure that's an accurate enough description or match to what's been said about it.

However, 64 Hands of Hakke is a modification of Jyuuken, if you will. It's more refined, and utilized to precisely damage and affect the myriad tenketsu. While not fatal, it might as well be, considering it can completely deprive you from accessing your chakra, or forcibly cause you to instantly exert all of your energy and expel your chakra reserves.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
You're just formulating a theory based on careful dialogue nitpicking and passing it as a proof. Neji never trained in Lee's taijutsu style, nor has he ever trained with leg weights. I would be surprised if Neji was as fast as lee with his weights ON. He's a defensive type, not offensive...it would be meaningless for him to train for speed.

This stuff isn't real. Dialogue and viewing is all we have. From that, we gather the truth and disperse as proof / fact.

I disagree. I believe Neji is as fast as Lee, which is why Gai continuously taught him (or allowed him) to continue opening gates to push his limits in speed. Neji's speed, as well as his speed with registering everything that is occurring around him and act towards anything in whatever given direction, must be great. If Neji's speed with his own body, as well as utilizing the Byakugan, was not anything remarkable, why bother going beyond Omote Renge?

Also, Neji is a strategist. He is neither defensive or primarily offensive. He quickly adapts to his situation, and never enters a battle with all his skills at the ready. He tests the waters, then proceeds accordingly from there.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Neji doesn't fight in lee speed. And that was only a month after learning lee's taijutsu. Im sure at this point in the series, Sasuke's stamina has increased since then.

You need stamina to move at such speeds, and there have not been many situations or instances of time where Sasuke would have such time to condition himself to moving faster, or even becoming capable of maintaining the initial speed boost he was taught.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
I'm sure the "Level 2 Curse Seal" doesn't factor into the list of KONOHA hand-to-hand combat styles. Besides, taijutsu is taijutsu. If there was going to be a quote about "Konoha's strongest tai/ninjutsu style" then Chidori would've beaten jyuuken.

I don't think "Curse Seal" is categorized as it's own, individual fighting style.

Taijutsu is Taijutsu. Jyuuken is the strongest Taijutsu style.

Ninjutsu is Ninjutsu. We know it's not, but we'll say - Chidori is the strongest Ninjutsu technique.

You just gave us apples and oranges. What were you trying to say? Your point eluded me.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
I think not knowing what Sasuke has gives him more of an advantage than anything else, but that's just me. Gaara's absolute defense was straight up pierced by sasuke's chidori. Can anyone say for sure that the kaiten could block it?

Where does Sasuke have the advantage, in this situation? Sasuke knows nothing of the Hyuuga, and has never seen Neji fight. Neji watched his battles, though.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Are you implying that Neji is going to sit there, spinning around while throwing smoke bombs all day? What would neji do after he throws a smoke bomb? Pretty much all his attacks are counter-attacks, so unless sasuke just charges in, then I don't see the point.

You seriously think Jyuuken techniques are solely counter-attacks, or defensively-based? If there's an opening - BOOM! There goes one of your organs. It's really that simple. Especially if Sasuke is blinded, by vasco's example of smoke bombs.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
"Final blast" is still part of the fight. And it's usually the part where the winner is determined too. What's your point?

Again, in regards to the culmination of this battle ..

The final blast would be Neji's palm pressing against the left breast of Sasuke, chakra pouring forth through the traitor's flesh, emitting through the bastard child's back, simultaneous to the ventricles and auricles and atriums and every other part of the heart exploding.

.. The pre-final blast would be Sasuke's arm slicing through Neji's chest like a warm knife through butter, with an uber Chidori.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
I'll respond anyway. Neji couldve seen naruto underground, but he wasnt using his byakugan at the time. If you were neji, and had your chakra almost depleted, and saw an unconscious naruto lying in a crater, would your instinct be to search underground for kage bunshins?

Agreed.

Seriously.

You put your guns away, when you're confident of victory.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
First of all, sasuke used 3 chidoris against Naruto. The lv 2 seal gave him enough for a 3rd.
Second of all, who says the target can't be moving? The whole purpose of the sharingan in conjunction with the chidori is so it can anticipate movement and act accordingly.

Sasuke has to stay away. There is no way he can remain close, and not be touched once, which is all Jyuuken needs.

And, I don't see how victory can be possible from such a distance. Impatience, plus irritation of Neji being better than he expected will cause an abrupt change into the Curse Seal form, and with his energy peaking (and also depreciating from being in that state), he'll go in for the kill. And, succeed - but also die in the process.


UPDATED SCORE

S A S U K E : 15
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N E J I : 15
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It seems it's a tie. Mut's vote was removed since well, he's banned .. he doesn't count anymore. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

.. What .. ?! I was kidding. Shit. Correct scoreboard is below. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]


UPDATED SCORE

S A S U K E : 16
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N E J I : 16
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EDIT: Added Tinks. Good man. Level playing field, all over again. Wake up, Jad'.

[Assertn]

damn, sniped by Strider....

64 Hands of Hakke is a modification of Jyuuken, if you will. It's more refined, and utilized to precisely damage and affect the myriad tenketsu. While not fatal, it might as well be, considering it can completely deprive you from accessing your chakra, or forcibly cause you to instantly exert all of your energy and expel your chakra reserves.

In all honesty....I dont know why anyone would prefer to use 64 HOH over jyuuken. One immobilizes, the other can instantly kill. ::shrug::

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
You're just formulating a theory based on careful dialogue nitpicking and passing it as a proof. Neji never trained in Lee's taijutsu style, nor has he ever trained with leg weights. I would be surprised if Neji was as fast as lee with his weights ON. He's a defensive type, not offensive...it would be meaningless for him to train for speed.

This stuff isn't real. Dialogue and viewing is all we have. From that, we gather the truth and disperse as proof / fact.

I disagree. I believe Neji is as fast as Lee, which is why Gai continuously taught him (or allowed him) to continue opening gates to push his limits in speed. Neji's speed, as well as his speed with registering everything that is occurring around him and act towards anything in whatever given direction, must be great. If Neji's speed with his own body, as well as utilizing the Byakugan, was not anything remarkable, why bother going beyond Omote Renge?

Also, Neji is a strategist. He is neither defensive or primarily offensive. He quickly adapts to his situation, and never enters a battle with all his skills at the ready. He tests the waters, then proceeds accordingly from there.

I'm aware that dialogue and viewing is all we have. I use that to prove my points as well. But there's only a certain point you can get before you're taking things too literally, out of the context that the writer intended.

Any accusation of Neji being as fast as Lee is pure speculation, and only supported by Gai saying that Lee's gate unlocking was the requirement to beating Neji. Note that this correlation does NOT mean that Neji is as fast as Lee prior to unlocking gates. Speed isnt the only thing capable of countering speed. If this was the case, then Kisame wouldn't have been kicking Gai's ass most of their rematch in the manga. When Lee acknowledged that Sasuke's assimilation of his taijutsu + doujutsu made him superior to himself, I did not feel that he could make the same statement about Neji's taijutsu + doujutsu. And, as Gai put it, Lee and Neji are different types of taijutsu masters. Lee's focus is external damage through speed and power, but Neji is all about chakra control and accuracy. Speed is required for lee, but not for Neji. Just because they are on the same team doesn't mean that they even remotely train in the same methods.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Neji doesn't fight in lee speed. And that was only a month after learning lee's taijutsu. Im sure at this point in the series, Sasuke's stamina has increased since then.

You need stamina to move at such speeds, and there have not been many situations or instances of time where Sasuke would have such time to condition himself to moving faster, or even becoming capable of maintaining the initial speed boost he was taught.

He didn't seem to be gasping for breath keeping up with kyubi naruto. And kyubi naruto is quite a speed demon in his own right.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
I'm sure the "Level 2 Curse Seal" doesn't factor into the list of KONOHA hand-to-hand combat styles. Besides, taijutsu is taijutsu. If there was going to be a quote about "Konoha's strongest tai/ninjutsu style" then Chidori would've beaten jyuuken.

I don't think "Curse Seal" is categorized as it's own, individual fighting style.

Taijutsu is Taijutsu. Jyuuken is the strongest Taijutsu style.

Ninjutsu is Ninjutsu. We know it's not, but we'll say - Chidori is the strongest Ninjutsu technique.

You just gave us apples and oranges. What were you trying to say? Your point eluded me.

heh, lets not talk semantics about a response to a barely legible opening statement.
The point I was making was that it doesnt matter if jyuuken is the strongest taijutsu if its paired up against a melee ninjutsu like chidori.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
I think not knowing what Sasuke has gives him more of an advantage than anything else, but that's just me. Gaara's absolute defense was straight up pierced by sasuke's chidori. Can anyone say for sure that the kaiten could block it?

Where does Sasuke have the advantage, in this situation? Sasuke knows nothing of the Hyuuga, and has never seen Neji fight. Neji watched his battles, though.

I'm pretty sure the guy meant us the viewers not knowing what sasuke has, not the characters in the series. I like how you didn't respond to my accusation that chidori can probably pierce through kaiten though.

I'm not really sure why clans wouldn't know much about each other. It's actually kinda dumb to not know about the aburame clan and the hyuga clan, since they're both significant entities within the same village. But, just like with kidoumaru, if anyone needs to be caught up to speed about a character's abilities that we are already familiar with, then it'll happen soon enough. Maybe sasuke will throw a few shurikens at neji and all will be revealed to him.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Are you implying that Neji is going to sit there, spinning around while throwing smoke bombs all day? What would neji do after he throws a smoke bomb? Pretty much all his attacks are counter-attacks, so unless sasuke just charges in, then I don't see the point.

You seriously think Jyuuken techniques are solely counter-attacks, or defensively-based? If there's an opening - BOOM! There goes one of your organs. It's really that simple. Especially if Sasuke is blinded, by vasco's example of smoke bombs.

When do ninjas leave openings though? Usually right after they miss an attack, hence the counter-attack.
I'm not saying jyuuken HAS to be solely counter-attack, but every time we've seen it, its been for that purpose. Considering that hyuga's speciality is observing enemy movement, I'd say it would be reasonable for them to concentrate mostly on countering opponents rather than anything else. And Tenten even said herself "Neji is defensive, he's not at all offensive" (or something unpoetic like that).

[Strider]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
damn, sniped by Strider....

I found this cute. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Any accusation of Neji being as fast as Lee is pure speculation, and only supported by Gai saying that Lee's gate unlocking was the requirement to beating Neji. Note that this correlation does NOT mean that Neji is as fast as Lee prior to unlocking gates.

YOSH'~!!

The correlation does not mean Neji is as fast as Lee or faster. However, it should be clear that Neji is fast enough, and / or strong enough to handle Lee's taijutsu prior to the unleashing of the Proud Green Beast's signature technique.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Speed isnt the only thing capable of countering speed. If this was the case, then Kisame wouldn't have been kicking Gai's ass most of their rematch in the ma

Having speed doesn't mean it's always utilized. Gai realized Kisame was of a higher calibre, and so that there would not be any questions as to his opponent's survival, Gai unleashed the beast with his six gates.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
When Lee acknowledged that Sasuke's assimilation of his taijutsu + doujutsu made him superior to himself, I did not feel that he could make the same statement about Neji's taijutsu + doujutsu. And, as Gai put it, Lee and Neji are different types of taijutsu masters. Lee's focus is external damage through speed and power, but Neji is all about chakra control and accuracy. Speed is required for lee, but not for Neji. Just because they are on the same team doesn't mean that they even remotely train in the same methods.

I took Lee's acknowledgment of Sasuke's training as a sign of his vast potential. At that moment, it was amazing (amazingly cheesy) to see Sasuke moving just like Lee. However, he could not sustain it. So, where's the justification that Sasuke's superior to Lee? Because Sasuke could copy Lee's movements and train to acheive whatever level of speed desired, it opens up more doors for Sasuke than Lee could imagine or aspire to. That's why such a statement was made.

And, Gai tried teaching them all the same certain techniques. Think that eliminates that last comment of yours.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
He didn't seem to be gasping for breath keeping up with kyubi naruto. And kyubi naruto is quite a speed demon in his own right.

.. What are you talking about?

Once Naruto took on the Kyuubi "One-Tail" form, Sasuke got pimped smacked twice, fire off a Katon: Goukyaku no Jutsu, and then activated the Curse Seal and advanced into Stage 2. He was basically immobile the entire time.

Even before then, Naruto was moving towards him. Sasuke sidestepped a few times, and punched him in the face. Kicked him square in the jaw, too. That was it. The only thing moving fast for Sasuke were his eyes.

Where and when did the two have to keep up with one another?

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
heh, lets not talk semantics about a response to a barely legible opening statement.

You had me ballin' over with this one, considering I was in the same boat as you.

He completely lost me with his comments. Hahaha.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
The point I was making was that it doesnt matter if jyuuken is the strongest taijutsu if its paired up against a melee ninjutsu like chidori.

It does, though. Since Chidori is a Melee-ranged Ninjutsu, the caster of Chidori is now within proximity to be harmed by the strongest Taijutsu.

Did I miss your point, again? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
I'm pretty sure the guy meant us the viewers not knowing what sasuke has, not the characters in the series. I like how you didn't respond to my accusation that chidori can probably pierce through kaiten though.

That wasn't intentional. I never noticed that second line, while thinking of my retort. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

Gaara's Sphere of Sand was stationary. It's easier to penetrate. Plus, it's fuckin' sand. You know how often I'd kick little kids' sand castles down at the beach? And, that barely took any effort at all! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Maybe sasuke will throw a few shurikens at neji and all will be revealed to him.

Yup. All will be revealed to him, since Neji will Kaiten and 64 Hands of Hakke those damned shuriken to hell.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
And Tenten even said herself "Neji is defensive, he's not at all offensive" (or something unpoetic like that).

If Tenten did say something like that, I bet she said it better than that. Sheesh.

Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
Wow, the name Neji means Screw,

It represents what occurs to all that fuck with him.

As in, "Sasuke would get Neji 'd, trying to fuck with the Hyuuga genius."

.. Okay, that was lame. But, you got my damn drift!

EDIT:

Originally posted by: heero
I got a question...if naruto failed so many times, how come he grad the same age as sasuke and the others?

I wondered the same. Although, I think Naruto had been in the Academy for three years, right?

And, Iruka felt sorry for the Demon Fox-boy.

Thanks for the vote, iMUSTbeTHEdevil. Your vote has given Neji a one vote edge. Rightfully so.

[iMUSTbeTHEdevil]

GO NEJI GO!


Anytime Strider =)


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[Assertn]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
damn, sniped by Strider....

I found this cute.

I aim to amuse [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Any accusation of Neji being as fast as Lee is pure speculation, and only supported by Gai saying that Lee's gate unlocking was the requirement to beating Neji. Note that this correlation does NOT mean that Neji is as fast as Lee prior to unlocking gates.

YOSH'~!!

The correlation does not mean Neji is as fast as Lee or faster. However, it should be clear that Neji is fast enough, and / or strong enough to handle Lee's taijutsu prior to the unleashing of the Proud Green Beast's signature technique.

I wasn't arguing that neji couldn't counter lee's taijutsu prior to the omote renge, I'm just saying that it's no indication that he has lee's speed is all.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Speed isnt the only thing capable of countering speed. If this was the case, then Kisame wouldn't have been kicking Gai's ass most of their rematch in the ma

Having speed doesn't mean it's always utilized. Gai realized Kisame was of a higher calibre, and so that there would not be any questions as to his opponent's survival, Gai unleashed the beast with his six gates.

For both Lee and Gai, all their moves focus on sheer physical speed and strength. To not utilize it would mean to disregard what he is known best for. Kisame just had a real good defense, kinda like Neji wouldve against lee.

And, Gai tried teaching them all the same certain techniques. Think that eliminates that last comment of yours.

I'd say for about 90% of the time, Gai just leaves Neji and Tenten to themselves for most of their training. Both of them specialize in techniques that Gai probably can't help too much with, and neither of them seem to respect gai all that much anyway. Sure Gai tried teaching all 3 of them the ura renge, but also note that kakashi, without lee's-style training, was also able to open up the first gate. I don't even think there's any speed prerequisite for gate unlocking anyway, it just so happens that everyone who takes gate unlocking seriously also takes speed seriously.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
The point I was making was that it doesnt matter if jyuuken is the strongest taijutsu if its paired up against a melee ninjutsu like chidori.

It does, though. Since Chidori is a Melee-ranged Ninjutsu, the caster of Chidori is now within proximity to be harmed by the strongest Taijutsu.

Did I miss your point, again?

Huh? Maybe you did....
You said it was like comparing apples to oranges, but both moves in question are melee type....which is why such a comparison can be a valid one. However, the guy's argument was that Neji had the strength advantage in close combat because he has the strongest taijutsu. And I'm saying sasuke has the advantage in close combat because he has a melee ninjutsu thats stronger than the strongest taijutsu. Jyuken may have the potential of being fatal, but it certainly took more than one direct hit to put hinata in a near-death state, which is more than how many it wouldve taken if it was sasuke with a chidori instead.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
I'm pretty sure the guy meant us the viewers not knowing what sasuke has, not the characters in the series. I like how you didn't respond to my accusation that chidori can probably pierce through kaiten though.

That wasn't intentional. I never noticed that second line, while thinking of my retort.

Gaara's Sphere of Sand was stationary. It's easier to penetrate. Plus, it's fuckin' sand. You know how often I'd kick little kids' sand castles down at the beach? And, that barely took any effort at all!

What about sand castles molded together from the chakra of a demon? Sasuke pulled off what nobody in the sand village could pull off....penetrating gaara's absolute defense. I think that has to count for something. We're talking sand hardened from the chakra of a demon vs raw chakra from a genius genin. Everything has to have a threshold where it can be penetrated. Especially in anime.

[XanBcoo]

Just wanted to bring up that it was stated that Gaara's sand sheild is as hard as steel.

Even before then, Naruto was moving towards him. Sasuke sidestepped a few times, and punched him in the face. Kicked him square in the jaw, too. That was it. The only thing moving fast for Sasuke were his eyes.

Where and when did the two have to keep up with one another?

Basically throughout the whole episode (prior to "one tail" Naruto). And if you're talking about after Sasuke acheived the third dot, then I will also bring up that he technically "killed" Naruto - who was only saved because of Mr. Foxy.

[Strider]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Huh? Maybe you did....
You said it was like comparing apples to oranges, but both moves in question are melee type....which is why such a comparison can be a valid one. However, the guy's argument was that Neji had the strength advantage in close combat because he has the strongest taijutsu. And I'm saying sasuke has the advantage in close combat because he has a melee ninjutsu thats stronger than the strongest taijutsu. Jyuken may have the potential of being fatal, but it certainly took more than one direct hit to put hinata in a near-death state, which is more than how many it wouldve taken if it was sasuke with a chidori instead.

Yeah, I had missed your point. I see what you're saying now.

But, it was only one hit that placed Hinata into critical condition. All the previous hits were done with the intent of closing her tenketsu and chakra access, to simply eliminate the need for the fight continue. However, with Naruto's idiotic self continuously cheering for her to go further, the hostility in Neji escalated and that is when the intent to kill entered the fray.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
What about sand castles molded together from the chakra of a demon? Sasuke pulled off what nobody in the sand village could pull off....penetrating gaara's absolute defense. I think that has to count for something. We're talking sand hardened from the chakra of a demon vs raw chakra from a genius genin. Everything has to have a threshold where it can be penetrated. Especially in anime.

It wasn't Shukaku's chakra with the Sphere of Sand. That was Gaara's. It was done to allow him a moment to hibernate, and allow the demon to gain control, at that point.

Everything has a threshold. Right.

I simply hold Kaiten's in much higher regard then Gaara's bullshit sand castle, is all. Plus, what I was inferring, is that Gaara was stationary. Kaiten is moving, which provides much more resistance, causing a greater force to be directly applied to penetrate.

I know you feel Chidori easily fits this bill, but I'm too stubborn to see otherwise. I understand your argument to this point, but I simply don't agree.

And, 'cause you all demanded it .. !!

UPDATED SCORE

S A S U K E : 16
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N E J I : 17
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I'm going to get promoted soon too, I think.

So, before I do .. the GW Genin Squad on a mission to enlighten those around us to Neji's brilliance and greatness is .. Dezalanel, Heretic Azazel, Heero, DrCitan and myself. Jadugar and XanBcoo can kill each other for Jounin ownership. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]


EDIT: STOP POSTING WHILE I'M POSTING AND QUOTING YOU ALL, DAMNIT!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img]

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
Basically throughout the whole episode. And if you're talking about after Sasuke acheived the third dot, then I will also bring up that he technically "killed" Naruto - who was only saved because of Mr. Foxy.

I was never referring to the episodes, as none of that actually occurred in the manga.

Naruto was not killed. He received an extremely hard heel to his jaw, and was nearly unconscious in the water. The fox then took over, after laughing about how pathetic he was.

We're sticking to the manga. The anime can go to hell.

[Jadugar]

@ : JAREDSTER

Stop shitting in my thread. You didnt have the balls to discuss anything before

Originally posted by: Jaredster
this debate is getting to huge for me.

and I doubt that anything has changed. First you said you voted then you said, you didnt. You vote and opinion are meaningless to us. Dont bother coming in here EVER.



@ : iMUSTbeTHEdevil

Originally posted by: Strider
Thanks for the vote, iMUSTbeTHEdevil. Your vote has given Neji a one vote edge. Rightfully so

rightfully?

Originally posted by: iMUSTbeTHEdevil
One vote for Neji please!

iMUSTbeTHEdevil

uMUSTbeSTUPID

I am not taking any pizza orders, moron. You want to vote for Neji, fine go write me a fucking post which is more than five words, two sentences and 20 words.



@: STRIDER

iMUSTbeTHEdevil's vote has been put on standby. WHY?

"Y" posted in this thread with vague comment that Sasuke can do this and Neji can do this. I pm'ed him to give me a definite answer and he edited his post and voted for Neji.

Thats what I want. Someone who has made-up his mind, willing to discuss and can backup his arguments.

Some of Vasco's posts have been ridiculed by everyone in this thread and even you. Some of the stuff he says doesnt make any sense but I like his enthusiasm.

You want "iMUSTbeTHEdevil"'s vote counted. Page him, pm him and ask him to write more than two sentences on Neji. Then I will reconsider his vote.

You have seem to forgotten that I created this thread. I created this thread because people can discuss Sasuke and Neji's characters in detail.

Let me remind you again. MY THREAD, MY RULES[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif[/img]

As for the update score I have been doing it perfectly fine and with honesty. There is no need for you to put updated score at the end you your post. That privilege is only for me and only me (owner). I think you can be pretty sure that I will not pull a fast one on you but my decision will be final on the scoring thing and I have discarded that n00b's (iMUSTnrSTUPID) vote. My updated score after one or two pages is more than enough and I also have been editing the first page of this thread which shows the latest votes and scores.

So refrain from putting updated score in your posts. Everyone knows where they stand if they bother to come and check. Although you can put a reminder in your post that includes latest votes.


Latest score:

Tinks, Elmojo.

UPDATED SCORE

SASUKE : 16
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NEJI : 16
[DrCitan, Heero, Terra, Dark Maginn, Mite Gai, Turkish-S, Naruto_RNG, Dezalanel, Vasco, Heretic-Azazel, Shinda, Jurojin, Y, Kensee, Elmojo, Tinks ]

NOTE: dont have enough time to respond to your comments, will get back to you as soon as possible.
My thanks to all of you who have been participating in this thread.

[XanBcoo]

Wow...don't let all that "power" go to your head Jadugar....[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]

@Strider: I haven't read the manga version of episode 133. Although I guessed the fight might have been "spiced up" a bit, I wasn't aware that it was radically different.

[Strider]

Originally posted by: Jadugar
rightfully?

Pretty much.

I didn't stutter. Or since this is on the 'net, I didn't fat-finger it.

Originally posted by: Jadugar
Some of Vasco's posts have been ridiculed by everyone in this thread and even you. Some of the stuff he says doesnt make any sense but I like his enthusiasm.

We can't deny him of that. I said the same thing in one of my much earlier posts.

Originally posted by: Jadugar
You want "iMUSTbeTHEdevil"'s vote counted. Page him, pm him and ask him to write more than two sentences on Neji. Then I will reconsider his vote.

I'm too lazy to PM him. Hopefully, he'll come in this thread and see this and do what you're asking.

However, I must ask if you're enforcing such rules, where all voters must provide a minimum requirement of text within the replies, is this going to apply to all previous voters, or is there a Grandfather Clause in effect? I ask this because then a number of votes are in question, and then this really all goes to hell.

A few that come to mind, is Shuurai .. the Zabuza kid, and even Terra.

Originally posted by: Jadugar
Let me remind you again. MY THREAD, MY RULES

As for the update score I have been doing it perfectly fine and with honesty. There is no need for you to put updated score at the end you your post. That privilege is only for me and only me (owner). I think you can be pretty sure that I will not pull a fast one on you but my decision will be final on the scoring thing and I have discarded that n00b's (iMUSTnrSTUPID) vote. My updated score after one or two pages is more than enough and I also have been editing the first page of this thread which shows the latest votes and scores.

So refrain from putting updated score in your posts. Everyone knows where they stand if they bother to come and check. Although you can put a reminder in your post that includes latest votes.

Touchy, touchy ..

First the guy thanks me for being the initial one to post a scoreboard and regularly do so for the people making their votes and board voices heard, now the guy's putting trademarks and hitting me with copyright infringement suits. Get outta' here ..

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
@Strider: I haven't read the manga version of episode 133. Although I guessed the fight might have been "spiced up" a bit, I wasn't aware that it was radically different.

You should read the manga chapter. I believe it is something like Chapter 218, or around that area.

In the anime episode, in comparison to the manga, it was dramatically changed. However, it was all a VAST improvement, in the additions they placed in the episode.

So you have an idea .. in the manga, after Naruto stated that he is Sasuke's friend, and will break the bones in his arms and legs if necessary, Naruto charged in. Similar to the episode, yes. After a quick exchange of Naruto smashing in Sasuke's face, and getting smacked around underwater, Sasuke leaped out and onto the nearby cliffside. He tied his forehead protector on, and as he got into stance, the third Sharingan comma appeared. He egged Naruto to attack, after saying something like, ".. Then, I shall break those bonds!" ("Bonds" was actually the name of the Manga Chapter)

Naruto attacked. Sasuke easily evaded. With Naruto continuously attacking, Sasuke realized he could see Naruto's next move. He ruined Naruto's face with a fierce punch, that caused Naruto to fall off the cliffside and into the water. Naruto quickly jumped out of the water to retaliate, but Sasuke countered with a rising kick that landed square in his jaw. This put Naruto back into the water, where the Fox laughed at him and bestowed him with some of its power. One-Tail Naruto.

One-Tail hit Sasuke once or twice. Sasuke countered with a Katon: Goukyaku no Jutsu, but Naruto was protected by the Fox's chakra. Naruto then grabbed Sasuke, with the elongation of the Kyuubi's arm, and smashed Sasuke into the rock. Sasuke then laughed, as the seal's activation was occurring. You know the rest.

That is all that happened. There was literally an exchange of maybe twelve hits, at the very most, within the manga. The episode was a much better dramatization and incorporation of the manga.

Originally posted by: Jadugar
You think Strider and I are enemies. No, we are rivals in this thread but outside this threads were are friends.

Word.

Originally posted by: Jadugar
Do all of us a favor and stop double posting. Just edit your last one or wait for someone else to post. Thanx.

Seriously.

It's getting irritating.


@ Assertn: I agree with the majority of your counter-points, except a very few things here and there I am too tired to address. I just thought I'd say that, as I never thought I'd see the day. Heh.