Sasuke VS Neji

[Naruto_RNG]

all neji need is one hit. neji's taijutsu is different then susake. unless susake learns to leak out chakara from his fingers he is finished. and if he dodge the attacks neji is not stupid to continue attacking over and over he will come up with another method. seal 2 or not just one hit, no kaiten, no 64 hits, no 128 or wha ever the hell moves neji uses. watch eps 40-50 of naruto. it is explained there. and stop this nonsense. i am not saying susake will just stand there he will put up a good fight but i the end neji is the winner. Mut@chi and Jadugar are u guys telling me neji is that retarded that he can't hit susake even once.

[XanBcoo]

Yes, Neji only needs a few good hits to Sasuke's heart in order to injure him, but that is easier said than done. Especially when fighting an insanely fast and powerful curse seal Sasuke.

I also agree that each side needs to consider the strength of the other. Neither Neji or Sasuke will "pwn" the other, but there will be a winner - Sasuke.

Oh, and @vasco: I don't think Sasuke would openly attack Neji with a Chidori. You're right. It is dodgeable and leaves Sasuke open to attack. The only way he could kill him with it is by imobilizing him - which would be hard to do.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Strider
So ..

That wasn't a long-range technique Neji caught Kisame with?

I have a lot to cover, so moving right along ..

You're pretty much the only one factoring in the post time-jump. Which is kinda dumb since there's no data on sasuke post time-jump yet. You cant formulate a hypothesis with incomplete variables, moron.

What was I thinking? I completely forgot about the Level 2 Seal activated. Neji's never faced an opponent who could sustain Level 2 . . .

Wait! He has!

Bump.

Why don't we "bump" the previous counter-arguments to that which have already been brought up way before you started your "going for the kill" maneuver. Level 2 Sasuke >> Level 2 Kidoumaru...next time read the whole discussion before posting.

Shit. In the series, Sasuke's got the entire village on him, excluding Hinata, but including Sakura. Gay.

And, on the boards .. you've got the Forum Faggot backing him. Nothing else to add here.

Good argument. Oh wait...before there was Sasuke, Neji was revered as the number #1 rookie by everyone. Even when you bring up points that don't support neji, you still manage to be wrong.

With a flick of his wrist to any one of the three hundred sixty tenketsu.

You speak as if Sasuke will even be capable of generating a Chidori.

So basically anyone who gets too close to neji will automatically have their tenketsu hit and lose? Is that why lee had a secret taijutsu move that was supposed to be the trick to beating neji, despite the fact that it means him getting right in neji's face?

In the same manner you're saying Chidori cancelled out the Rasengan, the Rasengan cancelled out the Chidori. It was a stalemate when the two techniques directly collided in the same fashion we'd imagine a Chidori striking Kaiten. So, from what you're stating .. the two would essentially cancel one another out. Still doesn't penetrate.

And, Neji can see through buildings and tree trunks, but not his own eyelids?

Neji does not need eye contact when he can see everything around him. It's Sasuke who would have to rely on instigating eye contact. Granted, he can even perform minute hypnosis like Kakashi did.

Ok, REGULAR chidori cancelled out REGULAR rasengan. First of all, rasengan in itself is more highly concentrated than kaiten is, but in any case, sasuke's black chidori would definitely penetrate that sucker.

And as I said before, neji's byakugan would leave him vulnerable to the hypnotic effects of the 3 pupil sharingan. The PURPOSE of closing your eyelids is to cover your eyes...if you can see through your eyelids, then whats the point? All byakugan will do is leave neji vulnerable to hypnoses from 360 degrees.

Idiots who pat themselves on the back before recieving the counter-argument: 1
[Strider]

Game. Set. Match.

[The Heretic Azazel]

Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Oops, I double posted.

Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
Naruto didn't survive the 64 palms because he has a huge amount of chakra, he got through it because he has two chakra flows and only one was cut off. As far as we can see Sasuke, while clearly also having a great amount, only has one flow, and there's no evidence anyone without two flows can take the 64 palms.

No, you're wrong. Chakra can only work one way, and it flows through the tenketsu only. There is no other way of chakra being released for Naruto. He jus has two sources for chakra; one as his own and the other one is kyuubi, obviously. His tenketsu were clearly shut off by Neji, but he used the demon fox chakra to overpower hakke's effects.

I forgot to quote this.. . we're both saying the same thing, there may not be 2 "flows" but Naruto has a chakra reserve that only a jinchuuriki would have, so it still doesn't apply to Sasuke. It's not that there's an immense amount of chakra, it's that nice little Kyuubi chakra reserve plot hole that exists so Naruto isn't allowed to die.

[Assertn]

but both sources of chakra still flow through the same circulatory system...the kyubi's had to have been so strong that it unblocked all the holes.

In this sense, all that it takes is just an immense amount of chakra. And that was when naruto had less access to kyubi chakra than he did fighting sasuke, and yet his chakra was about equal to level 2 sasuke's. I'm inclined to suspect that level 2 sasuke's chakra might be able to unblock tenketsu just the same...possibly

Pretty much in any anime series where a good guy has an instant-victory move, there's always the potential of an antagonist to simply be too strong for it to work. (ie. Orihime's tsubaki fairy being an instant-kill move, yet is capable of failing completely if the opponent is good enough)

[vasco]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
And as I said before, neji's byakugan would leave him vulnerable to the hypnotic effects of the 3 pupil sharingan. The PURPOSE of closing your eyelids is to cover your eyes...if you can see through your eyelids, then whats the point? All byakugan will do is leave neji vulnerable to hypnoses from 360 degrees.

From my point of view, Neji's 360 views is inner sight, which even if he lose his eyes, he still can 'see' it..
Did not get it? Just like you searching your penny (1 cent) in your porket, you know where your penny is, but you are not using your eye. Neji's 360 views just the much better version of searching penny. So, Sharingan's hypnoses will not work on Neji at all, once he close his eye.

Sleepy, respond others later....

Originally posted by: vasco
Oh, sorry about that, 128 hit only in anime, it did not exist in comic (I hear from other people said that)
In anime, Neji use it vs Kidoumaru's sprider and thowing knife

See, that's the thing man, you can't use the anime as a reliable source since the creator doesn't regulate what happens in all the scenes.

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: vasco
From my point of view, Neji's 360 views is inner sight, which even if he lose his eyes, he still can 'see' it..
Did not get it? Just like you searching your penny (1 cent) in your porket, you know where your penny is, but you are not using your eye. Neji's 360 views just the much better version of searching penny. So, Sharingan's hypnoses will not work on Neji at all, once he close his eye.

Sleepy, respond others later....

That's an interesting theory, and you put thought into it. It seems like you're saying it's like touching the back of your head or something. You can do it instantly because you know where everything is, you just can't see it.

But that's not how Byakugan works. Neji can SEE 360 degrees around him. Not all at once though. I imagine it working like a chameleon, who can look in any direction except directly behind him. If I'm wrong, please correct me. The eyes themselves allow him to do this.

I'm basing this on his training with the birds, and basically any time the camera goes into "Byakugan-vision" and shows us what Neji sees.

[Assertn]

byakugan is a doujutsu
which means an "eye jutsu"

If someone wanted to go all kakashi-style and implant a hyuuga eye, then he'll be able to perform byakugan. Simple as that. Why else would there be links between sharingan and byakugan if eyes are irrelevant? Why else would the cloud village want a dead hyuga body if the real trick behind the byakugan bloodline is something intangible?

Originally posted by: vasco
I Agree Sasuke is fast when vs Naruto (1 attack), but compare with thousands of sprider + thowing knife attacking you in all direct, can Sasuke dodge all really? If not, Neji win in speed. by the way, don't tell me Sasuke can dodge all sprider and thowing knife either because Sasuke cannot see the back (even with 3 dot sharingan).

Sasuke should have the better chance of dodging all and any attack. Sharingan is just really cheap which gives him the "Matrix" ability allowing him to move and think at a normal pace while everything else is slowed down drastically.

Yes, Neji need to Hit sasuke first in order to make damage, but 64 hit just like 64 attacks (almost) in the same time and in different directions. Just like sprider and thowing knife attack in the same time.
(and I did not expect sasuke get hit from frist 64 hit anyway, i expected him to get hit when he fly away by Kaiten - lose graud)

As far as I know Neji's hakke doesn't hit any part of the body that he isn't facing after the initial hit. In other words, Neji hakke is only a direct frontal attack.

If you say camera effect for showing us the speed of the 128 hit attack., then everything in naruto can be camera effect. Come on, you just keep avoid to admit the Neji speed.

I use 128 hit in my simulation just to push Sasuke more to the concer, that all... not important really...

Neji's 128 hakke is not reliable support since it was never in the manga.

Sure, If Neji direct hit by chidori in heart, Neji will dead... but remember, when Sasuke vs Naruto, Sasuke need to stop and hold Naruto in order to make sure hit Naruto... Which mean it is a finish move. Do you think Sasuke can defeat Neji to that level without Chidori (ooop.. out of topic, forget that sentance), the thing i want to say is, Sasuke will not waste chidori in Kaiten or others, he only use it when it is 100% sure hit.

According to that logic, Neji would also need to first immoblize the opponent first in order to make his hits connect. Chidori and hakke are both attacks performed by the hands/arms. It doesn't make sense to say that one punching motion attack needs the target to be statioinary while the other one doesn't.

[XanBcoo]

Thing is though, that Chidori takes considerably longer (yes even a few seconds is considerable in a fight) to prepare for - the hand seals and charging. It also leaves him open to attack if he fails to connect the hit somehow. So they are not so similar. Neji isn't stupid, he'd find the flaws in Chidori and use them to his advantage

Though imagining it, I can't see Neji easily dodging a superpowered high speed chidori rocketing right at him.

I really wanna see this fight now XD.

[Assertn]

everyone seems to get the impression that neji is smarter than sasuke.
but i'm pretty sure both of them got near perfect scores in all categories at the academy

[darkmetal505]

Originally posted by: Naruto_RNG
all neji need is one hit. neji's taijutsu is different then susake. unless susake learns to leak out chakara from his fingers he is finished. and if he dodge the attacks neji is not stupid to continue attacking over and over he will come up with another method. seal 2 or not just one hit, no kaiten, no 64 hits, no 128 or wha ever the hell moves neji uses. watch eps 40-50 of naruto. it is explained there. and stop this nonsense. i am not saying susake will just stand there he will put up a good fight but i the end neji is the winner. Mut@chi and Jadugar are u guys telling me neji is that retarded that he can't hit susake even once.

geez, stop presenting hypothetical situations without concrete evidence! Are you even thinking right? all neji needs is one hit? "watch eps 40-50 of naruto", you need to watch it more closely. There are more than 1 tenkentsus (however you spell it) in the body, meaning neji needs to land way more than one single hit. Also, the CS was shown to "extract chakra forcibly from the users body". In this way, even if Sasuke is hit, he will be able to continue and pwn neji (although it does have sideeffects of girly face and limited time). Its kind of like adrenaline pumping through your body after you have been exhausted. There is also evidence shown with Naruto. He got hit with the 128 strikes, but managed to extract the kyubbi chakra and use it. The jyukken attacks dont deplete chakra, just merely render it useless. At this point and time, Sasuke would probably rape Neji. Im not saying Neji is bad (because he still owns), but he doesnt have the power (currently) to combat Sasuke. However, this is not anything written in stone, Kishimoto might just give Neji a "secret finger jutsu" (pardon the English dub naruto pun) and Neji will become awesome again.

My vote: Sasuke

[ChaosK]

Originally posted by: vasco

Originally posted by: Chaoskiddo
1. neji vs sasuke
2. byakugan...sharingan
3. with sasuke's SPEED sasuke runs out of close combat range (what what the fuck do you mean sasuke's not close range combat?! everybody in naruto is besides temari and tenten)
4. sasuke uses cursed seal
5. neji is busy going O_O!
6. sasuke uses speed to perform sheshi rendan (lion combo)
7. lets JUST say neji used kaiten to block sasuke away.
8. sasuke use's a katon jutsu (we havent seen neji's kaiten block chakra attacks so if the flame spins with it... eh i dunno where i'm going with this but...)
9. during neji's kaiten (remember sasuke can perform katon jutsu from far ranges) sasuke does seals and powers up his chidori (with cursed seal affect)
10. LETS JUST say neji blocked all of the katon attack, right after neji stoppes spinning, sasuke charges with chidori.
BOOM fight over neji=owned.
11. and for no reason naruto will use rasnegan

Mistake 1: Line 3
There are 3 type of Ninja skills: Ninja Teachnique (like chidori), Illusion Technique, Close Combat
Very obvious, Niji is Close Combat type, and Sasuke is Ninja Teachnique type (as he use so many spell)
Mistake 2: Line 3
Sasuke can run faster than Neji? And he can run out of 64 hit attack range? Come on... Even Sasuke after chidori traning, Sasuke may run as fast as Rock Lee, but he will run out Stamina will run out in no time... (See Sasuke vs Garra). Besides, you are telling me Sasuke run backward faster than Neji run forward?
Mistake 3: Line 3
64 Hits take zero second to get ready... Besides Sasuke know Neji will use it at begining, and get ready to run from begining, there is no way Sasuke body could react so fast... (even with his Sharingan, he at most can dodge)
Mistake 4: Line 4 and 5
Why Neji is buzy going but Sasuke has time to release blood seal? non-sence
Mistake 5: Line 6 and 7
If Sasuke really use lion combo, which mean Sasuke and Neji are zero distant,. When Neji use kaiten, Sasuke eat direct damage (losee)
Mistake 6: Line 10
Remember the battle between Neji and Kidoumaru, Even Neji force to split Kaiten, Neji still can release his chakra to block his last thowing knife. (Chidori may hit this time) And, he also can simple "walk" away from the chidori attack after all fireball attack (otherwise, why he need to stop Kaiten?).
Can Kaiten block Chidori or not, let the author decided that...
Mistake 7: Overall
For any reason, if Sasuke really can run away from 64 hit attack range, or he is not in attack range from begining, why Neji need to charge him? In that case, see my another article before (the 24 hrs long battle)
My simulation is base on Sasuke and Neji fight fair at begining, face to face (like the exam). Sasuke will stand within 64 hit attack range, even with Blood Seal, and Neji could charge without broken in the middle

overall reply: i just decided to read your ridiculous comment to my scene and hopefully you'll have the sense to know that I WAS BEING FUCKING SARCASTIC!!! you gave neji advantage in your scene, i gave sasuke advantage in my scene. and for mistake

mistake 1 reply: like i said EVERYBODY can use taijutsu, you gotta be kidding me if your telling me that sasuke cant use taijutsu (fight against garra gai said "why would kakashi have him master lee's level of taijutsu?") and as mut said, kyubi naruto is a hell lot faster than neji. and sasuke fairy wing was on par if not faster than kyubi naruto.
mistake 2 reply: NEJI DOESNT JUST SHIT OUT THE 64/128 HAKKE OUTTA HIS ASS he has to assume position and gather his chakra like everybody has to when attacking, so in that time YES sasuke can run out of the hakke range. and if your saying that neji can run at sasuke with his hakke position i must say thats pretty funny, imagine running at a guy with your hands like that.
mistake 3 reply: duhh....yes sasuke can react fast as lee said sasuke combines the power of his sharingan and lee's speed so sasuke COULD get out of the way of the hakke, for the hakke to be a countinous attack it has to hit some where first, if sasuke dodges that first attack, screw the next 62 hits.
mistake 4 reply: your an idiot
mistake 5 reply: you DO remember that sasuke can use speed and appear from anywhere (under neji) to kick neji up right? neji's kaiten is a surrounding defense. doesnt cover under the surface. and unless you forgot the kaiten doesnt exactly kill you, naruto took like 20 of them and he still beat neji.
mistake 6 reply: umm...neji cant keep spinning forever you know. when gai described it chidori was an attack that could "pierce through anything" the only way to appear completely uninjured from the chidori would be to overpower it (like with a rasnegan or another chidori which neji has neither of), to attack sasuke before he could get the attack off or to dodge it. in kakashi gaiden we've seen kakashi use chidori continiously (1 chidori piercing 20 different targets) sasuke has the speed and eyes to dodge the counter.
mistake 7 reply: neji charge at sasuke because as you said neji is close range, he cant do shit from far so obviously to attack neji has to charge in.

YOUR SIMULATION IS NOT FAIR BULLSHIT!

oops i just realized this is 2 pages late...oh well deal with it vasco.

[vasco]

hate to quote long thing again... so i directly to write...

1> I did not say Sasuke cannot use close combat skill... but Neji forcus on close combat, and Sasuke forcus on ninja teachnique, so Neji will have upper hand on close combat (there is no way you can say i am wrong in this) Sasuke may obtain Lee's skill (somehow) but the draw back is short in stamina. By the way, Neji beat Lee everytime, not even lose once!
2> Yes, Neji may not attack without plan, but he can just random hit instead forcus on chakra point... which mean it doesn't matter if he hit head or hand or leg or body... can be totally random ^_^ (how nice), and by Neji, if any part of sasuke body got hit, he will got that part of internal damage... (dead meat)
3> Again, Neji don't need to forcus on Chakra point really... forcus on chakra point just make it better. so even miss first hit, sasuke still need to dodge all other 63 hits
4> If i am idiot, so do you, because you respond to me ^_^ by the way, it also mean everyone in here is idiot as well...(be careful what you say!)
5> you DO remember that sasuke can use speed and appear from anywhere (under neji) to kick neji up right? No, not at all, in which episode? or you mean naruto? by the way, Kaiten will protect from the ground as well, look when Neji use Kaiten, the ground got damage from Kaiten as well
6> Kaiten vs chidori again? let the author decided it... (by the way, in my simulation, Neji use kaiten to attack, not defence, so don't keep saying Chidori hit Kaiten)
7> well, i assume this fight is fair fight, like in exam, so sasuke WILL stand within 64 hits rang for sure... otherwise, it will be unfair fight.. right? If unfair fight, anything can be add then.

For your last sentance... "YOUR SIMULATION IS NOT FAIR BULLSHIT!"
1> which part is not fair
2> If you say my one is not fair + bullshit, then make one but fair and nice. I take time to think how to make the simulation as fair as possible, and i give Sasuke a lot of credit in my simulation as well. For example, he could dodge the 64 and 128 hits, no damage from Kaiten attack, and so...Sasuke lose in my simulation because Neji keep force-ing sasuke in concer and make him off graud. So, If you think you can make a FAIR + NICE NON-BULLSHIT simulation... and let people judge is it FAIR AND NICE

[vasco]

this message for darkmetal505

About Sasuke got 64 hits on chakra curcuit and use seal to release... (so we assume Neji hit sasuke already and Sasuke can unblock by Seal)
1> even Sasuke unleash the seal and release the block of chakra, Neji can block again... then Sasuke has no other chakra to unblock this time
2> You did not count 64 hits actual damage do to Sasuke
3> Recover blocked chakra take time.. (even Naruto take time), Do you think Neji will so stupid and wait for him to do that? (Yes, Neji was really so stupid and let Naruto to do that, I know)

[vasco]

This message for XanBcoo and AssertnFailure about Byakugan

This is just my opinion how Byakugan work
If Neji really need the eye to do the 360 view, then he should not able to see his back. Which mean he is not using the "eye" to see really... that may be some kind of sence, like 6th-sence to know where are the thing at. For example: A blind person never know what color is, and so do us, we never know how byakugan see (or sence) things surround it.

Why the emeny want dead body 's byakugan? may be they think they can find the secret of that by doing that... by the way, the don't know the outcoming anyway, they just try all the way they can.

Don't triple post. Just space your messages out in one post.

GotWoot Moderator

[chet_chetty]

If we're using Kidoumaru's Seal 2 as a gauge for how Neiji would do against Sasuke Seal 2, Kidoumaru Seal 2 took Neiji to the limit (brink of death). So if we were looking at Curse Seal Level 2 heirarchies here, it goes Jiroubu, Kidoumaru, Tayuya/Sakon, Sasuke, Kimimaro. Even though it was stated that Sasuke's seal was more powerful than Kimimaro's, I'd give it to Kimimaro because it was Sasuke's first time using Level 2 against Kyuubi Naruto and I couldnt think, on the first try, he realized Level 2's all-around potential even tho it seemed he maxed out its sheer power.

The 2nd to last in the hierarchy of Curse Seal Level 2 users took Neiji to the brink of death. Then in that sense, the top/near top of that hierarchy should/would decimate Neiji.

In terms of speed, I would argue the speed in the lvl 2 sasuke/kyuubi naruto fight was hokage level speeds (if there's a such thing..maybe we should just call it "too damn fast". There's no way Neiji would process what's coming at him even tho he can see it from practically all directions. If it was Rock Lee speeds or Sasuke (at time of Gaara fight) speed, he could handle it..but level 2 speeds? i really really doubt it.

And dont forget, Sasuke would first fight in his normal state, then go to level 1, then go to level 2. Neiji would be way too taxed to put up even a decent fight by the time Sasuke powers up to level 2.

[XanBcoo]

I'm withdrawing from the argument for a while after this post. I've got a shitload of homework to do.

A few points of note before I go though:

1. Yes, the Kaiten protects from all sides and all angles. If Sasuke were to enter the range of the Kaiten, and Neji realized it, he would blow Sasuke away (not defeat him, however), provided he could pull of the spin before Sasuke attacked him.

2. It doesn't matter if the Kaiten is used defensively or offensively. Neji is standing in one spot when he uses it, so it doesn't matter HOW he uses it, just that he uses it. In either situation, Sasuke would be able to evade it (if used to attack) or break through it (if used to defend).

3. I just remembered that in the Kidoumaru fight, Neji didn't just defeat him with one blow. He pumped him full of chakra through the spider web - severely injuring him, and then gave him an ass-blasting final hit in order to kill him. Not that it matters though. Even one or two hits could still damage Sasuke pretty badly. IF they hit (which they wouldn't).

4. Sasuke could recover from the Hakke (64 hits) and would not be stupid enough to get hit again imo.

Level 2 curse seal Sasuke = teh winnar.

Edit: Vasco, stop double and triple posting. Use the "Edit" button if you want to add more.

Chet_chetty has the right idea. Sasuke would win.

[darkmetal505]

Originally posted by: vasco
this message for darkmetal505

About Sasuke got 64 hits on chakra curcuit and use seal to release... (so we assume Neji hit sasuke already and Sasuke can unblock by Seal)
1> even Sasuke unleash the seal and release the block of chakra, Neji can block again... then Sasuke has no other chakra to unblock this time
2> You did not count 64 hits actual damage do to Sasuke
3> Recover blocked chakra take time.. (even Naruto take time), Do you think Neji will so stupid and wait for him to do that? (Yes, Neji was really so stupid and let Naruto to do that, I know)

once Sasuke releases curse seal 2, Neji wont have time to "hit" sasuke again. This is also saying that Neji manages to strike him. If Naruto can survive the 64 hit "actual damage", Sasuke can can survive it while taking a dump. Unfortunatley for you, in Naruto world (matter of fact, in most animes), opponents always "allow" each other to "power up".

Sasuke rules.