You must want to kill Sasuke... Lv 2 Seal take a lot Chakra, we know that.... also, he could lose his mind if he keep in Lv 2 too long. If Neji play long game, and Sasuke use lv 2 seal all the way, Sasuke may die before Neji actually attack him.Originally posted by: Shuurai
Sasuke level 2 all the way.
Even i said that, but sound 4 (actually 5) are in Lv 2 for long, but they neither run out of chakra nor lose their mind, i wonder why....
actually in someways he is [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]Originally posted by: vasco
So, Lee call loser because he can open 5 gate? Come on! Ninja skill does not mean anything, Shikamaru is the only one pass the exam, but he was called the lazy one. so that mean shikamaru is better than genious (Sasuke?)
First vasco, stop quoting my sentences individually. It makes it harder to read and respond. It also makes it a bitch to scroll through. Let Jadugar and Strider do that.
1. Even though some ninja are more talented in some areas than others, it doesn't mean that they suck in those others. Yes, Neji is a close-combat fighter. Does this mean he will lose to Sasuke in a Taijutsu fight? No. We know Sasuke has above average Taijutsu skills. It's hard to say who would win. They have different styles, Sasuke has his Sharingan and all the powers of his curse seal, and Neji has his Byakugan and can defend with Kaiten. Both are "fast" as well. I will say this; Sasuke would be stronger (in terms of physical strength) and probably wouldn't need long to overcome Neji.
I don't know how Sasuke would stop the Kaiten. He might just avoid it alltogether. He might decide to dodge it and wait for an opening. He might try and break through with a powerful attack with Chidori. This has already been discussed.
Yes, Neji's 64-hits is "instant" if you relate it to other jutsu which take longer to activate, but then you'd have to assume they're using them at the same time. I doubt Sasuke would use Chidori in a situation where he would leave himself open to attack.
Also, I'm sad to admit it. I am the biggest Rock Lee fanboy, but I gotta say: Despite the fact that he can open the 5 gates, he's nowhere near as strong as Neji or Sasuke. He is a "genious of hard work" however, meaning that he COULD reach Sasu/Neji's level of skill, but he'd have to go through a hell of a lot to do it. In a fight, he would be beaten (and has been beaten, as we've seen). Even Shikamaru admits that if he fought even Chouji, he might lose. He was picked as the only chuunin for a specific reason. It really depends on your use of the word genious. But this is going off topic and has nothing to do with the fight. Let's just accept that Neji and Sasuke are top tier amongst their peers.
Edit: Honestly, I think it would turn out in a stalemate. But I'm voting for Sasuke.
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OK, less quoting this time, XanBcoo
1> you said "some ninja are more talented in some areas than others, it doesn't mean that they suck in those others"
I agree somehow. but, in that case, could you say "Sakura could win Lee in close combat"? Sure, Sasuke has good combat skills as well ... but there is no way he can beat Neji in close combat (but for sure, sasuke could beat Neji in something else, just like Kakashi and Gai.)
About the Speed, we see Sasuke speed when vs Garra, and Neji speed when 128 hits, but we can see Sasuke run out of stamina very fast. But on the other hand, Sasuke may has a stronger hit because Neji does "intra-damage" instead of Lee's phy damage.
2> kaiten, let just end it, no result anyway
3> 64 hit... "you'd have to assume they're using them at the same time." <- My simulation is Neji use 64 hit right after Byakugan (sasuke use sharingan in the same time), so Sasuke won't have any time to form any hand seal, so he cannot use ninja teachnique (for sure, that is i assume he need hand seal for all his attack Ninja technique, and i don't know does Sasuke know non-hand seal spell)
if Sasuke prefer use other skill besides sharingan at begining, the simulation will not the same, but i don't think sasuke will stand a chance if he don't use sharingan at very begining.
4> Genius - Well, we can open a new thread to discuss it ^_^
Why do people keep thinking that Neji is SO FUCKING FAST that Sasuke won't just be able to dodge Neji's attacks? During Sasuke's fight with Naruto as soon as Sasuke obtained the 3rd comma, he stood there contemplating how he should smash Naruto's face in while kyuubi'd Naruto was lunging straight at him. Jesus christ, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that Sasuke's sharingan is enormously improved, which can only mean that Neji will always be in slow motion in Sasuke's eyes no matter how fast Neji is.
Oops, I double posted.
No, you're wrong. Chakra can only work one way, and it flows through the tenketsu only. There is no other way of chakra being released for Naruto. He jus has two sources for chakra; one as his own and the other one is kyuubi, obviously. His tenketsu were clearly shut off by Neji, but he used the demon fox chakra to overpower hakke's effects.Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
Naruto didn't survive the 64 palms because he has a huge amount of chakra, he got through it because he has two chakra flows and only one was cut off. As far as we can see Sasuke, while clearly also having a great amount, only has one flow, and there's no evidence anyone without two flows can take the 64 palms.
It doesn't matter if you have a second chakra or not, chakra can be released only one way and that's through your tenketsu. Naruto used his kyuubi chakra to just overpower the effects of hakke. If Naruto can reverse it with just tons of chakra, why can't Sasuke? And I don't even know what your second sentence is saying.Originally posted by: vasco
Sasuke does not have 2nd chakra, and it time to recovery
That's perfectly fine, Sasuke shouldn't even be hit by the initial hit in the first place with his sharingan.64 hit is a linked attack, there is no room you can counter-attack once you got hit (escape you said he dodge all)
Clearly, the main reason why he wasn't able to spin was because of the sticky spider web, but my point was that since some spiders were able to penetrate the defense and stick webs on him, there's no reason why Sasuke can't do the same considering he uses the sharingan.It is because the spider thing is sticky... it cause Neji cannot split, but Sasuke has nothing to stick with Kaiten.
What the hell are you talking about? You completely missed my point. I wasn't talking about anything that involves intelligence. I was strictly referring to the fact that Sasuke's sharingan is so advanced (than before), he should see Neji's spinning kaiten as just normal movement. That would negate the fast spin velocity which would give Sasuke plenty of openings.Ok, Sasuke is smart, but he is not Sakura. I don't think he can do such kind of calculation (Proven from writing exam - Sasuke "I don't understand, not even one question")
Naruto uses taijutsu pretty much as much as ninjutsu, and that isn't even relevant to what we're talking about. Neji doesn't focus on speed to use as his advantage; that's Lee. Neji's fighting style is structured from using finese techniques to immbolize his opponents and ultimately leaving them out of chakra (aka dead). Neji has never been known for his speed, while people like Naruto and Lee have.Well, Naruto is Ninja Technique, but Neji is Close Combat type, who know who is faster?
No, it doesn't really make that much of a difference against a sharingan user. Neji's advantage with the byakugan only lasts until Sasuke uses his sharingan to compensate for Neji's near-perfect vision. It doesn't matter if Neji can see everything around him, once he reacts to Sasuke's attack, Sasuke can pretty much just move out of the way because of the abilities of sharingan.That make a lot different
Neji would win every fight against a dumbass like Lee because without opening gates, Lee is a practice dummy against a natural genius like Neji. And Gai has always forbid Lee from opening the gates. We know this since Neji was surprised during Lee's fight against Gaara.Again, Neji is close combat type, and he is fast as well... Remember Neji win Lee (Lee has super fast speed)
Everybody, just stop. You can't beat me.
Yeah, Vasco, of course Sakura couldn't beat Lee, but Neji and Sasuke are more similar in their abilities than those two. It's hard to say who's better because neither are radically stronger in Taijutsu. They each fight well, and each have an eye techinque to help them.
Come to think of it, Sasuke has never seen the 64 hit technique, so he would not expect to dodge it. If he did manage to escape it, it would be because of his speed and sharingan (Imagine him quickly jumping backwards, or upwards, or using kawarimi). I guess it just comes down to whether or not he can escape that move. And also if Sasuke can recover from it - which he may not be able to do.
I'm sticking with Sasuke though, he's just considerably more powerful with his curse seal. Even without it, I think it would be a close fight.
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Looking at the recent posts I think you are going to have to eat those words.Originally posted by: Mite Gai
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It seem a lot of Sasuke fan think He can faster than Neji ... OK, let's see this example
- Sasuke may obtain fast speed, but we also know it draw back as well (It draw a lot of stamina from him) if he use blood seal to increase the speed, he could run out of stamina and chakra in no time (forget about it)
- We could see Neji speed from 128 hits + how he dodge/hit every sprider and thowing knife. If the same goes to Sasuke, do you think Sasuke can do the same thing with his speed? (Sure, Sasuke can use fire spell take care all, but we are talking about speed here)
By the way, in Sasuke eye, everything may be slow down... but in Neji eye (When he hiting sprider, everything seem STOP.... so, who is faster? And, Sasuke may see fast, but can body can react with it? if not, junk!
about the 64 hits... the only way Sasuke will not get damage from it is either dodge or block it with chakra... Instead of saying can Sasuke recovere chakra flow or not after get hit (since Naruto and Sasuke are different), what about the the damage Neji done on Sasuke from 64 hits? Remember when Neji vs Hinata, they said Neji attack is use Chakra to damage interanl organ (even a small damage is fatal)... so, if sasuke did not dodge 64 hits, just block it with arm or so, his arm won't able to use for sure. (Sasuke will become dead meat)
About Kaiten, Until you can give me a way how Sasuke can stop it, otherwise, don't said sasuke can stop it
My simulation is byakugan > 64 hits > 128 hits > Kaiten > 128hit (when Sasuke flying) > Game over
I did bot expect either the first 64 and 128 do much damage to sasuke, and use Kaiten to make him fly like a bird, then Sasuke lose defence and finish him. The whole simulation is link (no room / time for you to stop kaiten anyway), Sasuke will have no chance to do any counter-attack.
Lv2 seal doesn't mean anything to me because Neji can kill Sasuke by one hit (to the heart, don't tell me he can live without heart), so 128 hits is good enough to make sure he die 128 times ^_^
The only way Sasuke could stop Kaiten is probably with his Sharingan-controlled windmill blades, but I dunno if Neji would fall for that.
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That would mean that he would actually have to HIT him though. Sasuke is fast and skilled enough (with the sharingan) to dodge Neji's attacks. Think of when Neji fought Hinata. They fought for a while without either of them getting hit - and that was Hinata! Sasuke is several classes above her in terms of skill. You keep saying Neji will hit Sasuke and kill him instantly...no he won't. For the rest of your post:Originally posted by: vasco
Lv2 seal doesn't mean anything to me because Neji can kill Sasuke by one hit (to the heart, don't tell me he can live without heart), so 128 hits is good enough to make sure he die 128 times ^_^
Sasuke can fight for more than a few seconds without running out of energy. Stop using stamina as a drawback. Neji is equally capable of getting tired.
Yes, Sasuke can dodge shit with his sharingan because he sees them in slow motion. He's also damn fast. Mut explained this. Didn't you read it? Have you seen the series?? Sasuke is FAST. Oh, and it has also been explained that Neji does not see in slow motion - that was just a camera effect for showing us the speed of the 128 hit attack.
For the last time, Sasuke can avoid the Kaiten or possibly break through it with a chidori. You seem to be imagining your "simulation" with Sasuke having weights on his feet or something. He can do a number of things to get out of the way - dodging, using a jutsu, etc. Or even block it with the curse seal (wing-hands).
For the record...are we counting the 128 hit attack? That was an anime only move, so are we counting it as legit?
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Kaiten is a defense move, moron.Originally posted by: vasco
About Kaiten, Until you can give me a way how Sasuke can stop it, otherwise, don't said sasuke can stop it
Kaiten is used by Neji to deflect attacks. Thats way Sasuke's Chidori will be more than effective and wil rip it apart.
That was kidimaru not Naruto going fucking berserk aided by Kayubi. Sasuke lv 2 even matched Naruto (powered by kayubi)'s speed.Originally posted by: vascob
But in Neji eye (When he hiting sprider, everything seem STOP....
Do not compare kidimaru with Naruto.
You and your simulations. Stop living in the dream world where Neji is the fag king. In the real world Sasuke would rape him before he could say bya....Originally posted by: vasco
My simulation is byakugan > 64 hits > 128 hits > Kaiten > 128hit (when Sasuke flying) > Game over
I did bot expect either the first 64 and 128 do much damage to sasuke, and use Kaiten to make him fly like a bird, then Sasuke lose defence and finish him. The whole simulation is link (no room / time for you to stop kaiten anyway), Sasuke will have no chance to do any counter-attack.
Making assumptions again. Here is my assumption. Neji is open to any attack and Sasuke fires a Chidori directly to his heart ( I would have prefered to see it go through his eyes or my favorite, through his balls).Originally posted by: vasco
Lv2 seal doesn't mean anything to me because Neji can kill Sasuke by one hit
I see another smulation coming............
Or just a direct chidori probably. I don't think Kaiten has the power to deflect it that fast.Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
The only way Sasuke could stop Kaiten is probably with his Sharingan-controlled windmill blades, but I dunno if Neji would fall for that.
This is honestly the most fanboyish shit I've ever read. It's not even remotely backed up by any sort of real concrete evidence. Thanks for wasting my time.Originally posted by: vasco
It seem a lot of Sasuke fan think He can faster than Neji ... OK, let's see this example
- Sasuke may obtain fast speed, but we also know it draw back as well (It draw a lot of stamina from him) if he use blood seal to increase the speed, he could run out of stamina and chakra in no time (forget about it)
- We could see Neji speed from 128 hits + how he dodge/hit every sprider and thowing knife. If the same goes to Sasuke, do you think Sasuke can do the same thing with his speed? (Sure, Sasuke can use fire spell take care all, but we are talking about speed here)
By the way, in Sasuke eye, everything may be slow down... but in Neji eye (When he hiting sprider, everything seem STOP.... so, who is faster? And, Sasuke may see fast, but can body can react with it? if not, junk!
about the 64 hits... the only way Sasuke will not get damage from it is either dodge or block it with chakra... Instead of saying can Sasuke recovere chakra flow or not after get hit (since Naruto and Sasuke are different), what about the the damage Neji done on Sasuke from 64 hits? Remember when Neji vs Hinata, they said Neji attack is use Chakra to damage interanl organ (even a small damage is fatal)... so, if sasuke did not dodge 64 hits, just block it with arm or so, his arm won't able to use for sure. (Sasuke will become dead meat)
About Kaiten, Until you can give me a way how Sasuke can stop it, otherwise, don't said sasuke can stop it
My simulation is byakugan > 64 hits > 128 hits > Kaiten > 128hit (when Sasuke flying) > Game over
I did bot expect either the first 64 and 128 do much damage to sasuke, and use Kaiten to make him fly like a bird, then Sasuke lose defence and finish him. The whole simulation is link (no room / time for you to stop kaiten anyway), Sasuke will have no chance to do any counter-attack.
Lv2 seal doesn't mean anything to me because Neji can kill Sasuke by one hit (to the heart, don't tell me he can live without heart), so 128 hits is good enough to make sure he die 128 times ^_^
Also, can you tell me where Neji has performed the 128 hakke? The Naruto games don't count. And your simulation is beyond retarded considering you refuse make it an even playing field.
I Agree Sasuke is fast when vs Naruto (1 attack), but compare with thousands of sprider + thowing knife attacking you in all direct, can Sasuke dodge all really? If not, Neji win in speed. by the way, don't tell me Sasuke can dodge all sprider and thowing knife either because Sasuke cannot see the back (even with 3 dot sharingan).
Yes, Neji need to Hit sasuke first in order to make damage, but 64 hit just like 64 attacks (almost) in the same time and in different directions. Just like sprider and thowing knife attack in the same time.
(and I did not expect sasuke get hit from frist 64 hit anyway, i expected him to get hit when he fly away by Kaiten - lose graud)
If you say camera effect for showing us the speed of the 128 hit attack., then everything in naruto can be camera effect. Come on, you just keep avoid to admit the Neji speed.
I use 128 hit in my simulation just to push Sasuke more to the concer, that all... not important really...
You said Sasuke and Hinata is different Level, ok, i agree... but it does not make it sound any better... because Sasuke cannot really use chakra to cover/protect his body (besides chidori, but he one hand use chidori, another hand hold it, which mean chidori is hard to control, so hemay not block it with chidori). If he block by bare hand, his hand will damage by chakra and become useless...
Kaiten vs Chidori again? didn't we stop this topic already? I said "find a way to stop Kaiten" because someone say Sasuke can, for sure, Sasuke don't need to. By the way, I did not use Kaiten to defence, I use it as offence.
Sure, If Neji direct hit by chidori in heart, Neji will dead... but remember, when Sasuke vs Naruto, Sasuke need to stop and hold Naruto in order to make sure hit Naruto... Which mean it is a finish move. Do you think Sasuke can defeat Neji to that level without Chidori (ooop.. out of topic, forget that sentance), the thing i want to say is, Sasuke will not waste chidori in Kaiten or others, he only use it when it is 100% sure hit.
I like Jadugar's assumption, but it did not cover much support. My simulation is Neji force Sasuke to close combat, push him to concer, make him off graud, then finish him. If you want to break this simulation, you either need to make it cannot happened at begining (Sasuke is not in 64 hit range, if in fair, like in exam, Sasuke will in the 64 hits range), or Sasuke can do soemthing in the middle (how? don't just say run away or so)
Last, you, sasuke fans, always say "in the real world, sasuke will/could do .... to Neji" come on, everything we say in this forum are our opinion. until it really happen in series, otherwise it will never "in the real world", but your own world (that why we are here to shared our opinion).
We talk about that before already... Chidori vs Kaiten... If people really want to discuss it, open a new thread pleaseOriginally posted by: Jaredster
Or just a direct chidori probably. I don't think Kaiten has the power to deflect it that fast.
By the way, i said stop Kaiten (because someone said Sasuke could), not break!
Come on, everyone is the same, once you give comment on this topic, nee? by the way, "It's not even remotely backed up by any sort of real concrete evidence" then, until really Sasuke vs Neji happened in series, otherwise, everything we said here are all the same, "It's not even remotely backed up by any sort of real concrete evidence"Originally posted by: Mut@chi
This is honestly the most fanboyish shit I've ever read. It's not even remotely backed up by any sort of real concrete evidence. Thanks for wasting my time.
In Aone and ANBU version, Ep 116-117, 13:20 (he use 128 hit there)Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Also, can you tell me where Neji has performed the 128 hakke? The Naruto games don't count. And your simulation is beyond retarded considering you refuse make it an even playing field.
I'll respond to your other arguments later, but can you tell me which chapter he uses 128 hakke? I don't have the Naruto episodes, I only keep the manga.Originally posted by: vasco
In Aone and ANBU version, Ep 116-117, 13:20 (he use 128 hit there)
Oh, sorry about that, 128 hit only in anime, it did not exist in comic (I hear from other people said that)
In anime, Neji use it vs Kidoumaru's sprider and thowing knife
It's spelled "spider" by the way. And it does not matter if he could see or dodge them, Sasuke is not fighting spiders. He's fighting Neji. I'm not denying that Neji is fast. He is. But Sasuke is also fast. The camera effect was to show that Neji was fast, but the Sharingan allows Sasuke to see and decipher movements. That's its power. It's not just a camera effect.Originally posted by: vasco
I Agree Sasuke is fast when vs Naruto (1 attack), but compare with thousands of sprider + thowing knife attacking you in all direct, can Sasuke dodge all really? If not, Neji win in speed. by the way, don't tell me Sasuke can dodge all sprider and thowing knife either because Sasuke cannot see the back (even with 3 dot sharingan).
Yes, Neji need to Hit sasuke first in order to make damage, but 64 hit just like 64 attacks (almost) in the same time and in different directions. Just like sprider and thowing knife attack in the same time.
(and I did not expect sasuke get hit from frist 64 hit anyway, i expected him to get hit when he fly away by Kaiten - lose graud)
If you say camera effect for showing us the speed of the 128 hit attack., then everything in naruto can be camera effect. Come on, you just keep avoid to admit the Neji speed.
The 64 hit attack is from one direction, not all directions, so it is dodgeable by Sasuke. Well, in theory anyway. You're still going on about the Kaiten. STOP. Sasuke could very well avoid the Katen. Even if he does get hit (the chances of this being low), that does not gaurantee that Neji could follow up with another attack before Sasuke could recover.
Hinata does not protect herself with chakra. In her fight with Neji, they were both deflecting the other's attacks. Sasuke could do the same. Or dodge all together. Or hit Neji first.Originally posted by: vasco
You said Sasuke and Hinata is different Level, ok, i agree... but it does not make it sound any better... because Sasuke cannot really use chakra to cover/protect his body (besides chidori, but he one hand use chidori, another hand hold it, which mean chidori is hard to control, so hemay not block it with chidori). If he block by bare hand, his hand will damage by chakra and become useless...
Edit: I'm going to say again, that I think it would result in a stalemate, with each side severely fucked over. Neither of these ninja are a pushover. But Sasuke has a better chance of winning.
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