Originally Posted by darkshadow
Were did I say cs1 does not increase speed? In your first paragraph above you quoted me saying that cs1 does increase the speed of Sasuke; which I did. Now your going to contradict yourself and lie, in saying that I said cs1 does not increase Sasukes speed? I even gave you a link to defend this argument.
Please pick your sentences better.
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@XanBcoo
we never know?"Neji would also not have the time to "Think things through" like he did with Kimimaro, because Sasuke would not give him the time to do so as Kidomaru did."
I think u just answered yourself there. wouldn't u like to know who u dealing with when your fighting someone? wut u close your eye and say; hell so wut if he has transformed into a girl I'll beat him anyway. I'm sure this would help him fight better cause he has some-what knowledge of this transformation."I also don't see how experience of the curse seal plays any part in this fight though. What's there to know? That it makes them stronger?"
and the all mighty three dotted sharingan and the the weak byakugan. we have no clue of wut will be the result when these two collide, since it has never been happened before. it's been said, and we saw that 3 doted sharingan can predict the next move, and it has also been said and we saw that byakugan can see the chakra movements. since one need chakra to move any part of the body (in naruto world) wouldn't u think that neji could react much faster to sasuke's incoming attacks then the 3 dotted sharingan? or cancel each other out? now don't give me bull and try to come up with something good.
@darkmetal505
do u really think that Naruto vs. sasuke fight made any since power wise with all the chakra he used at that time?
Last edited by Naruto_RNG; Tue, 04-04-2006 at 08:19 PM.
Yes I do, but I'm not really sure what you are asking. If you are asking "since Sasuke already used up so much chakra, how did the curse seal activiate? So does it make sense?" My answer is yes because the Seishingan drug was used to forcefully activate lvl 2, but it put Sasuke in a near death state. Because of the barrier setup by the Sound Four it reduced the side effect and allowed Sasuke to gain the extra level. As seen in the chunnin exam (the forest one), when sasuke arose after fighting Oro, he was emitting purple chakra. Notice that he was supposed to be knocked out (meaning he couldn't use chakra), but the seal forcefully uprooted chakra in his body. In the way I see it, each ninja has a amount of chakra, and if depleted they die. Thus the body puts a barrier to how much chakra one can extract, but the seal removes the barrier. Thus by means of the curse seal, if taken to far, the seal will consume the body because it depleted the users chakra. Think of it like Rock Lee's gate openings.
*sigh*
read my sentence, i mean READ it dont scan over it, i said, that line you said was more like a response to A "you said cs1 does NOT increase speed" comment, MEANING in general, the YOU that i used in that does not address anyone, IN OTHER WORDS
your line seemed to have been a response to something i said, which in this case you might've though was that i said that cs1 doesn't increase speed. while in reality, i didnt
do you understand me now? sheez.
Take it to PMs you two.
I don't see how Neji knowing that Sasuke becomes more powerful with the curse seal is that much of an advantage. Yes, it lets him know what he's up against, but not much else really. Actually, Neji knows less about the curse seals than the rest of the Genin since he never actually saw Kidomaru transformed until he delivered the last blow. Perhaps he would know to adopt a defensive situation, but he might have done that anyway. Like you say, we'll never know exactly how the two's techniques will fare against eachother, but we can use clues from the various times we have seen each of them fight to make a good guess at the outcome.
I bolded the part where you made a mistake. One does not need chakra to perform physical actions in Naruto. Chakra is actually made by combining physical energy with mental energy (see episode 10 or 11, when Sakura explains this). Neji fights specifically using his chakra, which I assert that Sasuke would be able to see and react to using the Sharingan (FFS remember! He's fast enough to counter attack Kyuubi-Naruto!). We know the Sharingan can copy physical movements and also see/predict chakra flow. Setting this up against Neji's ability to see the tenketsu and Chakra circulatory system, I still see an advantage for Sasuke. You could argue that Sasuke is using the curse seal to enhance his abilities, and therefore using chakra visible to Neji. But really, he wouldn't be able to do much else than notice that there's a whole lot more of it. There is a difference in the two abilities.and the all mighty three dotted sharingan and the the weak byakugan. we have no clue of wut will be the result when these two collide, since it has never been happened before. it's been said, and we saw that 3 doted sharingan can predict the next move, and it has also been said and we saw that byakugan can see the chakra movements.since one need chakra to move any part of the body (in naruto world) wouldn't u think that neji could react much faster to sasuke's incoming attacks then the 3 dotted sharingan? or cancel each other out? now don't give me bull and try to come up with something good.
People are still talking here? I'm confused....is there anything that hasn't already been mentioned the first 10 pages?
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Nope, not a thing. New guys just keep coming in with the same old argument having not bothered to read what's already been proven/disproven.
Last edited by XanBcoo; Wed, 04-05-2006 at 02:48 PM.
@ Xan :
Give me a shout when you need a helping hand. You seem to be doing ok on your own.
@XanBcoo
where does it say in anime or manga that sharingan or the three dotted one can see or predict chakra flow. could u give me the eps number or the number of chapter that say so?
to my knowledge that was byakugan's ability not sharingan.
I just saw the eps 130-134 again right now didn't see anything that said he can read/predict chakra flow.
ok, I agree but it certaintly effects physical state if there is no chakra. "naruto could barely standup when his tenketsus were hit"One does not need chakra to perform physical actions in Naruto. Chakra is actually made by combining physical energy with mental energy (see episode 10 or 11, when Sakura explains this).
@AssertnFailure
come on man don't u find argumentting fun? nobody can 100% prove this, so people will write anything even things that have been mentioned before. Nobody tries to listen to the other.
If you had watched those episodes, read the manga chapter where Sasuke and One-Tail Naruto fight, or read some of the posts in this thread, then you'd see that Sasuke is able to predict the movements of Naruto's Kyuubi-Chakra during their fight. Strider (I think it was him) posted the page from the manga a ways back. I originally thought he was just seeing in slow motion, and able to predict only physical movements but the manga page posted in this thread indicates otherwise. In either case, it doesn't matter because other instances indicate that Sasuke is able to see chakra movement with the Sharingan as well. For example, he can see the Chakra when he looks at all those bunshin during the 2nd exam in the Forrest of Death. It also logically makes sense that Sharingan can see chakra flow because of its copying ability. Just making the handseals is not enough, one needs to know how to properly mold and control the chakra in order to pull of a jutsu - which is what the Sharingan allows for when coyping. This, again, is a point that has been brought up multiple times in this thread.
Even if I am wrong about the Sharingan's ability to see chakra flow (as I very well may be), it wouldn't make a difference because he'd still be able to predict any of Neji's physical movements using the 3-pupil Sharingan. Whichever way you choose to look at it, Sasuke has the upper hand.
Your comment about chakra affecting physical state provides no weight in this argument. I don't know why you brought it up. Neji still cannot predict Sasuke's movements, which was my original point. But I suppose he can see how much chakra Sasuke has left, and how he is using it. This is no doubt an advantage, so I'll give 1 point to Neji's side. Well done.
@Jadugar; I may need you to step in afterall. I'm getting way too into this topic.
Last edited by XanBcoo; Wed, 04-05-2006 at 10:58 PM.
he can predict movements, to an EXTENT, not like sharingan does, just like he could tell what hinata was thinking of by her just moving her eye, the eye of insight of byakugan is superior to that of sharingan, also sharingan cant predict chakra flow, it can see the chakra flow and copy it, but it cant predict how its going to flow, sasuke saw the kyuubi chakra because, well it envelopes naruto, anyone can see it then, also the chakra moved on its own, again everyone could see that, thats not a sharingan ability
Well I'm not about to dive into this mess, but just to add clarification: In the one tail Naruto/Sasuke fight, I thought Sasuke could predict his movement by the way naruto's joints and body parts were positioned but the kyuubi's chakra was moving independently. I haven't read nor seen those chapters/episodes in a while so I may be wrong.
No, you are correct. The three tamoe sharingan can predict movement based on muscle twitches.
@ darkshadow
Byakugan has better insight? Are far as I can see the only abilities of Byakugan are these: see far away, see through things, see almost 360 degrees, and see chakra movement/tenketsu. As far as thats concerned, Byakugan has better sight than insight. In no way can it predict movement, that all depends on the user's ability (which I must say Neji is quite adept in). However Sharingan can; how else would it be able to copy jutsu fast enough?
I was just reading the old post and got tired of it, didn't find the page that strider posted the things about sharingan being able to c chakra flow, does any1 know wut page is it cause I really like to c it?
@darkmetal
was it u who point out the wikipedia about something to backup your post not pin pointing u if am I'm wrong I appologize but look about byakugan/sharingan again in wikipedia.
he does the samething as kakashi did in zabuza arc, copy it with his eyes. he did the samething in the test part of chunin exam when he was cheating. thats wut sharingan is good for cheating. LOLhow else would it be able to copy jutsu fast enough?
oh did mut@chi got banned or something?
darkmetal, kakashi said himself the eye of insight of byakugan is BETTER then the eye of insight of sharingan
No I don't believe I did. I used quoted information from leafninja. In fact I also say don't use wikipedia, its too unreliable.
@darkshadow
well obviously the Byakugan itself doesn't have "insight" as does the Sharingan (call it cheating or whatever, doesn't change the fact that it does. Kakashi probably meant that the user with the Byakugan has more options and a Sharingan does.
note: I am using the definition of insight as the ability to discern the true nature of the "movement" of a ninja
Last edited by darkmetal505; Thu, 04-06-2006 at 03:37 PM.
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