And doesn't take any of the good guys with 'em.Originally posted by: Terracosmo
No, that's not what I meant, I like death and I'd like to see more if it in Naruto
I just don't like when enemies appear just to be a road block and then die right after that, without any form of development.
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Exactamente
I don't like how the good people seem more invincible than the bad.
I think the reason there is not alot of death in Naruto is because, well this has become a long running series, with really no end in site. I'm surprised it has lasted this long, prob. because kishimoto is making a shit load of money. So if he were to kill off the main characters, then the series would have to end pretty quick, or else he would have to introduce a new character every few eps( kinda like monster, sometimes the people get introduced, then die the same eps).
And as for the villans dying, well Naruto and Sakura have been trained by two of the three legndary sanin. So, I dont think it is too far fetched that they are doing well against akatsuki( even though they havent really shown any major improvments, besides sakuras super strenth). But if you look at the two fights, it is really chyo and kakashi that did the major damage, with naruto and sakura to back them up.
As for this chapter, I'm surprised that it moved this quickly. Team Gai has already beat the clones, naruto used kage bushin, rasangan AND gone kyuubi, and another akatsuki member dies(maybe). nice, quick and informative, just how I like it.
i agree with terra for the most part. kishis been making villians just to die very quickly. i expected sasori to die, but deidaras death was sudden, and he didnt even have a fighting chance. not only that, but we know nothing about him. at least we were able to fully understand sasoris character. and i figured to four sound to just be mindless drones controlled by orochimarus curse. i am however glad that they were able to defeat akatsuki members because i originally figured them to be way to powerful. this kind of humanizes them a bit more. and i dont really consider sakura beating sasori, she got her ass kicked for the most part. chiyo delivered the finishing blow. what pisses me off the most is that the akatsuki only took chiyo down (becasue shes gonna use that life trasnger move on gaara)
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How much use has there been for chouji since his "recovery"? I doubt it would have made a very large dent to the naruto universe if he had truly bitten the dust.. It would have added the emotional bond you get with the characters as you realize that they do actually die. After that ark we pretty much know that none of the good guys will die easily. Atleast of the young ones.Originally posted by: kaniskii
I think the reason there is not alot of death in Naruto is because, well this has become a long running series, with really no end in site. I'm surprised it has lasted this long, prob. because kishimoto is making a shit load of money. So if he were to kill off the main characters, then the series would have to end pretty quick, or else he would have to introduce a new character every few eps( kinda like monster, sometimes the people get introduced, then die the same eps).
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Yeah exactly. Chouji was a very good target. The loss of him would definitely not shake the foundations on which the series stands, but it would bring a much needed depth of seriousness to it.
I can assure you all that Chouji will never again be as central to the plot as he was during the Sasuke chase arc, and to just see him return to "random fat guy eating stuff all the time" when he could have died in a mega cool way makes me damn sad.
Just read the new chapter and all I can say is that I hope to god that that kyubi clone isn't "That Justsu" that we've all been so hyped up about. When naruto pulls out "That Jutsu" Jesus better come out of nowhere and start kicking ass because god knows we've waited far to long to see naruto pull out a new jutsu. Also am I the only one here who wants to see naruto whipping out some frogs? How awesome would it be awesome if he summoned the little son of gama bunta whose also aged and grown up. Then they could pull off some sort dual combination move. Am I the only one who misses gama?
Originally posted by: Uberbaka
How much use has there been for chouji since his "recovery"? I doubt it would have made a very large dent to the naruto universe if he had truly bitten the dust.. It would have added the emotional bond you get with the characters as you realize that they do actually die. After that ark we pretty much know that none of the good guys will die easily. Atleast of the young ones.Originally posted by: kaniskii
I think the reason there is not alot of death in Naruto is because, well this has become a long running series, with really no end in site. I'm surprised it has lasted this long, prob. because kishimoto is making a shit load of money. So if he were to kill off the main characters, then the series would have to end pretty quick, or else he would have to introduce a new character every few eps( kinda like monster, sometimes the people get introduced, then die the same eps).
I agree with ya, chouji has pretty much been out of the manga since his recovory. but at the same time, Haku and Kimimaro are way more well liked than chouji. I think if it were switched around, it would not be the same argument. I feel that if chouji were to die from that fight, and haku were to live from his, both blows being death moves, well, you would not get as many complaints.
In my opinion, i dont think it is about who should deserve to live or die, it is just the way kishimoto writes his story. Since this series started, it has been said time and time again that this group of genin are some of the best that there has ever been. the fact almost all of them passed the chunin exam is proof of that. so with them all taking on that " S" rank( or A, im not sure) mission, and living, kinda shows how special they all are. As far as bringing seriousness to the series, i feel that haku, kimimaru, and even now with sasori dying and maybe garra, the ones that people care about are dying. No ones cares for chouji, and it seems that he and neji are the only ones that "should" have died, but lived.
I hear no complaints about Neji living.....
ha, it is getting more and more interesting. Most of people think of Deri. suicide bomb like vegeta in DBZ. However, to me, i don't think it going happen. this remind me of Buu explosion. i think he going trick people into thinking that he may die in the explosion, but in fact, he is going to use the explosion as the diversion to run away. Then again, i may be stupid like when i predict Naruto will have more and more tail as he increases his Kyuubi level.
Actually someone could still die. Diedara didn't finish pulling off his explosion jutsu. Although knowing Kishimoto's style no one will likely die but there be one huge ass crater after all's said and done.
man I just read the 277. that kyuubi thing was awsome. finally, naruto improved the kyuubi. i wonder what happenes when he reaches the nine tail. insane power. as to Diedara dying i don't think so, he said somehting about it going to be hard for him to escape and that face of his reminded me of when cell exploaded himself in kingkai planet. I think kakashi will use his MS to make another of those barrier thing he did earlier to protect everyone from the explosion. but i wonder what will happen to gara. i mean that old lady doesn't have that much of life to give? and even if it did work what the hell is gara going to do without that monster thing in him?
deidara's main contribution to the series ended when he beat gaara
i wouldnt expect him to have any more tricks after that massive bomb he tried to drop on the city, but it WOULD be nice to get a backstory for him
i'd say sasori's character was pretty much complete though....
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yeah, Gama fro president. But, well, honestly, what have we seen so far?
- bunshins
- kage bunshins
- better jutsu timing *)
- kyuubi mode
- rasengan (3 handed in 277)
*) yay for improvement!
Although the frogs would still be that - just frogs, and an old jutsu too. Naruto being able to summon frogs in a controlled manner would already be nice. Naruto still has not one earth or fire jutsu. Country of Fire my ass. Up until Deidara his overall fighting style seemed higher than before, but from what we see, no advance on jutsu or just being able to keep calm. Timing, combination and the 'ossu' to Kakashi are the only small hints so far. Apart from his kyuubi mode being able to produce more than one tail.
Oh, and another note on Akatsuki dying too fast. There is some structure to Akatsuki and I doubt those two were the strongest. So Kishimoto has it reasonable, the series is called 'Naruto' - in the end, he has to manage to win somehow. The harder it is now, the more unreasonable it has to get in the future. The old problem of long running series whose characters are bound to get stronger over time.
Sasori put up a good fight and wasn't beaten but chose to get beaten - and took Chiyo with him (side-character, yes - but still a good guy K.I.A.).
Deidara got fucked by Demon-possessed-Gaara, Demon-possessed-Naruto, super-genius-with-mangekyou-sharingan-Kakashi - still lived, but now kind of commits suicide. That's quite a lot on the "taken" side.
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OMG why does deidara have to die quickly? i did not expect someone who has the cunning to beat gaara to die so quickly.... i would have liked to see more of him in action cause i think his skill is badass.
i think kishimoto killed him quickly becuase he had lots of exposure during his fight with gaara.
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*Cracks fingers*Originally posted by: kaniskii
Originally posted by: Uberbaka
How much use has there been for chouji since his "recovery"? I doubt it would have made a very large dent to the naruto universe if he had truly bitten the dust.. It would have added the emotional bond you get with the characters as you realize that they do actually die. After that ark we pretty much know that none of the good guys will die easily. Atleast of the young ones.Originally posted by: kaniskii
I think the reason there is not alot of death in Naruto is because, well this has become a long running series, with really no end in site. I'm surprised it has lasted this long, prob. because kishimoto is making a shit load of money. So if he were to kill off the main characters, then the series would have to end pretty quick, or else he would have to introduce a new character every few eps( kinda like monster, sometimes the people get introduced, then die the same eps).
I agree with ya, chouji has pretty much been out of the manga since his recovory. but at the same time, Haku and Kimimaro are way more well liked than chouji. I think if it were switched around, it would not be the same argument. I feel that if chouji were to die from that fight, and haku were to live from his, both blows being death moves, well, you would not get as many complaints.
In my opinion, i dont think it is about who should deserve to live or die, it is just the way kishimoto writes his story. Since this series started, it has been said time and time again that this group of genin are some of the best that there has ever been. the fact almost all of them passed the chunin exam is proof of that. so with them all taking on that " S" rank( or A, im not sure) mission, and living, kinda shows how special they all are. As far as bringing seriousness to the series, i feel that haku, kimimaru, and even now with sasori dying and maybe garra, the ones that people care about are dying. No ones cares for chouji, and it seems that he and neji are the only ones that "should" have died, but lived.
I hear no complaints about Neji living.....
We all thought that the Haku/Zabuza arc was awesome.. especially with their deaths, it was perhaps one of the best parts of naruto hands down.. Why was that ark best? Because of the emotional attachment, if they had both lived then i doubt people would have loved it as much. See my drift?
Well, haku got his body literally pierced by Kakashi's raki.. kura... damn.. "Lightning edge" =P, thus saving zabuza by taking the hit directly. Sacrifice, important emotional plot element.
What does Chouji do? He sacrifices himself, but guess what? He survives! And that makes it so worthless and much less emotional. They both should have died.
I don't quite understand what you're saying about :
"... the ones that people care about are dying. No ones cares for chouji, and it seems that he and neji are the only ones that "should" have died, but lived."
Ofcourse they should have died because of their major fatal injuries in the middle of the forest.. It's just.. just.. common sense.
And when it comes to Neji dying, I have stated several times (probably not in this thread, can't remember) that I wish Neji had died too, but at the very least Chouji because of his suicide move. Neji didn't use a suicide move so he wasn't bound by honor to die. Know what I mean?
And I know I'm not the only one who thinks that.
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Yeah, Neji didn't perform a suicide move. Also, Neji has always been (and will always be) a lot more vital to the story than Chouji. Then again, even though Neji is one of my favorites, I wouldn't mind if he died... because a good death can make a character even more memorable. But even so, he had a lot more reason to survive than Chouji.
I wonder if the Deidara fight was so short because of the length of the Sasori one, by the way ...
I been wondering if Chiyo saves Gaara by giving him her life force. Will Gaara still be able to control the sand like he used to or is he going to have star from scratch and learned some new jutsu and another thing will he still be able to be Kazekage. I hope Kishimoto does something about this.
Hmm... I was under the impression that shukaku mainly controlled his automatic protection.. but we haven't really seen anyone else with sand control... But then again Haku could control water with a bloodline, maybe Gaara (Assuming his revival, which I'm expecting) will still be able to control sand, but not have his sand shield (ofcourse sand armor would be present)Originally posted by: nests
I been wondering if Chiyo saves Gaara by giving him her life force. Will Gaara still be able to control the sand like he used to or is he going to have star from scratch and learned some new jutsu and another thing will he still be able to be Kazekage. I hope Kishimoto does something about this.
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Kishimoto will give him the sand controlling back. Lately all he has done is to take the easy way out.
This chapter blowed just like the last one. It's sad to see how things turns out, Bad guys just showing up to be killed, no thought behind the characters "new" moves and virtually no development at all, fuck it has been 3 years the characters need to change some.
Well, Naruto certainly goes Kyubi quite quickly into a fight.
I'm thinking Deidara may still live, may get killed when he meets with the Akatsuki again, heh.
Well, Gaara is going to live because of Chiyo.
Gaara will be able to control sand, but as someone mentioned, may not have the automatic sand protection, may need to use his own chakra and do it himself.
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