Naruto 276 Raw

[mage]

Originally posted by: Jaredster
Itachis Mangekyo Sharingan has ninjutsu

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There is no evidence to support the idea that Amaterasu is a doujutsu attack. The only ability we've seen from Itachi's mangekyou is Tsukiyomi, which is genjutsu.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: mage

Originally posted by: Jaredster
Itachis Mangekyo Sharingan has ninjutsu

There is no evidence to support the idea that Amaterasu is a doujutsu attack. The only ability we've seen from Itachi's mangekyou is Tsukiyomi, which is genjutsu.[/quote]
Yes there is. Go back to the part where Itachi blasts out of Jiraiya's jutsu in the hall way.

[Assertn]

rewatch the scene where itachi USES amaterasu........
he closes his eyes, then opens them wide and says "mangekyou sharingan" just before an explosion takes place, producing a hole in jiraiya's trap and black flames left behind

Then itachi compares tsukuyomi and amaterasu to each other as they are fleeing
yes, amaterasu is a doujutsu

[mage]

Oh, nevermind. I forgot he said mangekyou.

[folf]

I imagine it doesn't need to be a lower level of sharingan than itachis. This reminds me of the whole genious, umm... hard work thing. The sharingan wouldn't have even been possible without perhaps an eye somoene from Itachi's clan. Kakashi has the eye, but isn't necessarily what you'd call a true genious with it(not being an eye he was born with, or born with a body wired for it) It seems this sharingan still takes a toll on someone born with the sharingan, but perhaps less of a toll than it is on someone who has acquired it kakashi's way(depending on its use, kakashi could very well lose sight in this eye-is it accepted that this sharingan affects the vision?) If it is particularly draining on kakashi now, imagine when he first developed it, and consider the future.

[chet_chetty]

The first difference is that it seems Kakashi can only use it once a day where as Itachi can use a Tsukiyomi and without waiting too long use an ameratsu and prolly another Tsukiyomi later on. My memory on the time span of the Itachi/Kisame/Jounins/Jiraiya/Naruto interaction is blurry.

I feel like in this battle if Kakashi were to use it one more time he'd be incapacitated at the very least. After all he says something like "Somehow i'm still alright" like he was expecting to be useless afterward. Another apparent difference is that Itachi's mangekyou causes mental or physical trauma while Kakashi's causes only physical trauma. I'm confused tho...

Typically the blurry scenes show what's going on in the recipient's head..his hallucination. What was the physical agent that causes Deidara's arms to blow up (i.e. with Itachi it's the black flame that causes destruction)? Was Deidara subject to a simultaneous genjutsu (to confuse) and ninjutsu (to kill)? It seems Kakashi's is a double-edged single attack.

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

no scanlation yet?

[dragon608608]

Originally posted by: chet_chetty
What was the physical agent that causes Deidara's arms to blow up (i.e. with Itachi it's the black flame that causes destruction)? Was Deidara subject to a simultaneous genjutsu (to confuse) and ninjutsu (to kill)? It seems Kakashi's is a double-edged single attack.

it divide barrier space to cut the enemy (page 10). and yes, it sime that Kakashi's Doujutsu is a double-edged single attack

[Jaredster]

So it really is a mag.sharingan. I hope Kishimoto has a good explaination for it.

[Zhan]

I think its more like kakashi lacked chakra in the first place to actually perform mangekyou sharingan. he said "somehow im still alright" means "somehow I still have some chakra left, so I'm not totally fucked over" thats why its like a double edged sword for him....heck even itachi struggles a bit after using mangekyou. Remember when kakashi told sasuke that if your chakra reaches zero then you will die or something? Kakashi's chakra was probably near zero.

[Terracosmo]

Kakashi has mangekyou and Deidara is fucked.

Current interest in Naruto: lower than ever

[Konohamaru]

cool chapter. I think Kakashi will explain how he got it after the danger has passed. I think his version is physical since he ripped off Deidara's arm. Speaking of which. anyone think Deidara is a skitzophrenic? He keeps reassuring himself. "I'll soon be ur opponant...yup" <--- skitzoooo! or maybe...he has a trick up his sleeve. Maybe he's made of clay. Maybe he's one of Sasori's best puppets with a mind of it's own.

AHHH! So many questions, so many needed answers. Kishimoto better explain!

[Tonsus]

I don't think Deidara will go down without a fight, he'll most likely have some up his sleeve, since there's a lot more room in there now.

*boom-tish*

[Terracosmo]

Yes, he will probably put up a fight, but he'll die after that (in a lame way probably, like Sasori) so it doesn't matter.

I wish Kishi would just kill off a (significant) good guy already instead of villain after villain. I'll never forgive him for letting Chouji live.

[kyubisrage]

guys stop bitching. It aint like your paying for this. Well this chapter brings up a lot of questions and I hope narutio does something cool soon.

[kaniskii]

I dont understand why people like for main characters to be killed off. If Kishimoto killed evryone off that SHOULD have dies in this manga, then it would most likely be over with already. I guess the ones that complaine want this thing to be over with anyway... shesh

anyway, back to topic, I think Kishimoto has already made clear that you dont have to kill your friend to get the Mangekyou with Sasuke saying he will aquire it his own way, so Kakashi having it does not surprise me. Also, the fact that he is having so much trouble using it also suguest what some other people here were saying, that most likely being a full blood Uchiha, you can have more control over it, and not as many side effects. It is definatly not the same kind. I'm sure Itachi got his Mangekyou right after he killed his friend. Kakashi has had the eye for a long time, and is now just getting it, and a half ass one at that. And even if he did get it when itachi used it on him, it was still about three years ago, and has taken him this long to get it to the stage it is at. Now if Kakashi had the same control over it as Itachi does, then that would be kinda meh, but it has greater side effects, and i'm sure we will get an explanation of how he got it soon. I wonder why he has to close his other eye?

And about Naruto using the Rasangan, two things... remember chapter 258, Naruto was never seen with a clone when he used the rasangan on itachis clone. It seems as soon as Kakashi attacks itachi and his clone runs at them, naruto bust it out and attacks. So I dont think he needs the clone. Also, the anime has been abusing the rasangan, where as in the manga, naruto has only used it I'd say a few times. So, to the manga only reader, it is not as bad, at least not as bad as kage bushin, yet. I HOPE that he has learned some new stuff while being with Ero-Sen. Only time will tell.

[Prof. Chaos]

I bet he is going to somehow run to safety.

And kage bushin is actually an important technique. I mean now he is just making 1 or 2 extras for the right reasons and uses it wisely. Except for the 3rd, I can't recall anyone else using it. Now it has more of a purpose.

[Raven]

Originally posted by: Kagemane_no_Jutsu
no scanlation yet?

I already put a link on the first page - not hard to find if you try.

[Terracosmo]

Originally posted by: kyubisrage
guys stop bitching. It aint like your paying for this.

So the fuck what?
Because we aren't paying we are supposed to like everything thrown at us?

If I had a cent every time I saw someone write that...

[RasenDori]

damn... deidaras really gotten the short end of the stick here. he used up all his clay on gaara and has lost both arms. hes ultra fucked. but this fight cant end yet naruto still hasnt used "that jutsu" and temari and kankurou are still on the way. and dammit... whats up with team gai?!