Fukuda Rants & Rave

[DDBen]

Originally posted by: Jurojin
The problem with your whole point DDBen is quite simple. Kira should not be the main character of GSD. Fukada is an idiot, and did what the Kira-fans/psychos and the $$ from sales suggested- keep Kira in there.

But Kira was the star of Seed, his only role in GSD so far has been "OMFG PWNZORS!" Killing Kira off would have only helped GSD. Maybe if they did it before 34, to give more time for the impact of it all to sink in. Like, during the 1st Lacus assassination attempt, he takes a fatal bullet for her, which moves Lacus to do other things, secret war against ZAFT or something. Or switch roles, Lacus gets killed because Kira couldn't protect her, then he goes all cyborg with Freedom and starts going after all ZAFT forces, forcing a final confrontation with Athrun/Shinn, with Kira dying, then moving forward with the Destiny Plan et al.

Actually I don't believe Kira should be the lead of GSD and I don't disagree with him having a smaller or nonexistant role in the series. The only issue lies in Fukuda making GSD another global war. Which with the very short amount of time between GS and GSD made it impossible for him not to include Kira as a major player. The moment in episode 1 we saw a battle with Freedom VS a druggie it was determined that Kira was going to have a major roll in the series why else would Shinn have a flashback directly involving him.

Originally posted by: Jurojin
Shinn is supposed to be whom GSD was supposed to focus on, or even maybe have Athrun be the focus. But because of following the sales model instead of good gripping plot, GSD is FUBAR.

Shinn is a Character in GSD he is not who the series is aimed to be about. The series is based on a global conflict with many major players and Shinn just happened to be the one they had to develope the most for him to have a creadable role. This is not Gundam Seed Shinn and its been shown that Destiny is a refernce to the Destiny plan and not to Shinn's Gundam that was mearly one of those twists you complain don't exist.

Originally posted by: Jurojin
Gundam Seed Destiny w/o Kira, however, should still be able to be GSD. Not @ this point because of Fuckup-ada, but it should have been.

If this whole series started differntly I would agree fully that this series could survive without Kira. However Shinn is hated by fans nobody cares about watching him. Athrun , Calgari, Lacus and essentially other major player from GS could not be involved without Kira being involved. Also the OAV's showed many of the main characters still spending time together as such it was a all or nothing situation with using old characters. I would have prefered a smaller conflict with Cameo's of the characters as opposed to them making it impossible to focus on anything as they have about 50 characters they are trying to develope and are wasting as much time as possible on recaps.

[ChaosK]

kira should've came back and i dont think the role he has right now is too big but you cant exactly say h e's a bigger character in GSD than shinn is. we've probably seen more battles with shinn, this is what kira did.

-talked about shit
-owned a couple of twits going for lacus
-talk about more shit for 10 episodes
-appears in a battle in which heine dies
-more talking about justice and freedom and liberty and oh my god shut up!
-fights against destroy
-brief shit talk
-gets owned by shinn
-talks about how he's powerless for more episodes
-gets SF and owns everybody in space
-disappears
-reappears in the battle against orb and has an equal fight against rey+shinn.
-talking about shit ever since.

[DDBen]

The real issue people are having with Kira is he's out of Fiance's to steal so he's stuck in the mode he got Lacus with instead of selfloathing Kira that came along with stealing Fllay from Sai. Now if only Shinn and Lunimaria get engaged or Dullindale and Talia then Kira has a reason to go steal another fiance. Given Meyrin and Lunamaria are the most likely ones as they are redheads which he clearly prefers.

[Strike Freedom]

LOL, I love this thread. As I stated before, and I will state again, this is all Fukuda's fault. Others have pointed it out as well. Fukuda has turned us, the good loving Gundam fans, against each other because of his lousy take on GSD.

[smurfyy]

freakin morons, its not that i love kira and squeez a kira plushtoy everytime i see gsd, but if he was killed off, why dont u mind as well end the freakin series? without kira/AA, then zaft wins handsdown. There would be no Lacus army cuz she'll be dead since Kira's dead. and who says kira hasnt changed since GS? i happened to notice that the once crying-all-the-time kira, the kid that could only take comfort from a whore, has totally matured in GSD to depend on himself and his mobile.
and yes, fukuda suks, the plot was too much like GS. giving stellar back to the other side, hugeass cannon targetting the enemy..etc...

[masamuneehs]

Smurf, my problem isn't so much with the fact that Kira survived what should have surely been a fatal blow (which does piss me off too) but HOW he and Lacus faction have been infallible for most of GSD. They are constantly portrayed as the only ones doing the right thing. Not only does this lofty pedestal piss me off, defaming the serious and mistake-ridden mode of previous Gundam series, but I can't agree with their rationale. And all the garbage Fukuda pulls to get the AA repaired, to have top notch Gundams manufactured by an unidentified Factory, to have Kira always save the day, has gotten old so fast.

And the closer the series gets to the end, the part that's supposed to be the best, we just get more of Lacus' and Kira's speeches, more righteous conviction from the AA crew, more Maryu and Mwu sappiness, and more of Kira obviously saving the day and hardly getting scratched in battle. I, and many others, feel cheated. And the number one figure in the show that can be blamed is Kira, because he's largely been at the center of the series, and the downfall of the Seed series has thus been linked to Kira's downfall and the fact that his personality has remained quite stagnant since the beginning of Destiny.

[DDBen]

@Masamuneehs

I think you are highly downplaying SEVERAL of the issues that make GSD so bad at this point and the vast majority of them have NOTHING to do with Kira, Lacus or the AA.

#1. Neo aka Mwu is alive at all when they blantantly went out of there way in GS to make sure and show that he died a heroic death at the end. This should also fall in with the fact that his ms while sut in half and exploding gingerly dumped him in a open field. es Kira cut apart the suit and I don't support that move in the series in anyway but the issue here is that not only should he not have existed he should have died with Stellar. We haven't even seen him once show any remorse for sending her off to her death to kill as many people as possible . I think that Neo in turn clearly wins the most unbelieveable character award for the series.

#2 Rey even existing. I mean come on Raul was already a close why on earth would you start a series with EXACTLY the same character that you once again killed in the end of seed. Not only that but for a ace pilot who it was argued should have had impulse instead of Shinn he has essentially done NOTHING during the series aside from the raid on the moon base in Legend where he killed Djibril but none the less he still did nothing but take out cannon fodder suits.

#3 the EA MS design during the series. Considering that strike and the 4 other prototypes were all EA suits in the first place why in gods name is Zaft the one who is using the system they represent. Impulse in general is a abomination that should not be around. Now aside from the EA Orb who is suppose to be a superpower in tech has shown NOTHING even remotely above the level of cannon fodder. There best suit is basically shiney and reflects stuff and is one of a kind while there military is equiped with outdated garbage. Also lets not forget the overuse of relatively useless mobile armors by the EA including destroy and those spider things with the 4 legs. I just will never fathom how the minds who came up with all 5 of the orignal gundams and all the druggie suits has made no advancements in the last 3 years without completely blantant designf flaws.

#4 Why must we once again be forced to watch 3 prototype suits get stolden from zaft which obviously passed there combat test runs(as impulse had a significantly hard time dealing with them). Yet the only one who uses any of those suits again is the clyne faction who has no right to even have one of them. If that wasn't bad enough we have the Gouf put into mass production seemingly out of the blue and all of Zafts elite pilots being equiped with them.

#5 A complete lack of developement for ANYONE in GSD. Instead of developement we get the following choices for a character.
A) those reinacting Seed
B) Those who come in like they are going to do something new and bring life to the series who in turn either die off quickly or remain virtually unchanged from intro to current.
C) Those who they introduce and then just kind of discarded, either by dealth or just misuse.. Sure every once in a while were subjected to them but they add nothing to the story and really only prevent other characters from developement.
D) Those who were in Seed and really have no place in GSD but hell Fukuda needs to sell more models. So not only will they be involved but every possible chance will be taken to give them a differn't MS.
E) Those who had absolutely no part what so ever in Gundam Seed yet 3 years later they are vetren pollotitions and people of power.

Frankly there are more and feel free to add but I'm done for the moment on this.

[smurfyy]

@masamuneehs
sure, i thought that kira shouldved died as well when impulse gutted freedom. but he didnt. hell, half the major characters in GS and GSD shouldnt have survived the ordeals they went through. the whole archangel crew should be dead, athrun should be dead (who the fuk can survive an self destruct explosion even if they're ejecting). Hell, mind as well say that the whole minerva crew should be dead as well, since they also pulled some impossible stunts and was stil able to repair despite the odds.

[Miro69]

fukuda should die. that is all.

[Strike Freedom]

Originally posted by: Miro69
fukuda should die. that is all.

That's one of the best answers i've read out of all that have been posted in this thread [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[drunkenmaster]

Originally posted by: smurfyy
@masamuneehs
sure, i thought that kira shouldved died as well when impulse gutted freedom. but he didnt. hell, half the major characters in GS and GSD shouldnt have survived the ordeals they went through. the whole archangel crew should be dead, athrun should be dead (who the fuk can survive an self destruct explosion even if they're ejecting). Hell, mind as well say that the whole minerva crew should be dead as well, since they also pulled some impossible stunts and was stil able to repair despite the odds.

you can survive a self destruct explosion if u have a jetpack... as athrun did. why does he have a jetpack? to escape when his gundam is about to explode, thats the whole point of having one. now how kira survived is a mystery. of course we all know GS is all messed up cuz of fukada. GSD better go over 50 eps or else there is no way they could fit in everything.

[Mite Gai]

Only way Fukuda can make the series just a poor one (right now its at piece of shit dissapointment) is to do an ending like the original GS one except now Mwu and Ramius have to live since it would look even more stupid to have him come back for nothing. He needs to have the Eternal take a hit from Requiem or something to save PLANT and then have Kira go out like Gato in 0083.

[Strike Freedom]

In all actuality, Fukuda might still have a chance at saving this series with an OVA or movie once the 50 eps. r up. But, I mean, look who we're talking about here....that's about as a good a chance at happening as it is for the cubs to win a world series [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif[/img]

[Mite Gai]

If you really look at it, even SEED was subpar and this one just got terrible, lol though it would be funny it he actually managed to "save" this series with OVA.

[AtHRunOwNZaLL]

if fukuda does make an OVA then it's probably going to be hella stupid just like that 10 minute OVA fukuda made after seed

[DDBen]

Originally posted by: drunkenmaster
you can survive a self destruct explosion if u have a jetpack... as athrun did. why does he have a jetpack? to escape when his gundam is about to explode, thats the whole point of having one. now how kira survived is a mystery. of course we all know GS is all messed up cuz of fukada. GSD better go over 50 eps or else there is no way they could fit in everything.

The explination for how Kira survived is contained in one of the Astray manga's that basically exist to put stucko in the plot holes that seed contains.

[Marcis]

Originally posted by: Strike Freedom
In all actuality, Fukuda might still have a chance at saving this series with an OVA or movie once the 50 eps. r up. But, I mean, look who we're talking about here....that's about as a good a chance at happening as it is for the cubs to win a world series [img][/img]

I smell GSD trilogy movie coming...
Don't you all?
OVA or extra movie MIGHT improve GSD a little, but it can't save whole show

[Gangrel]

Originally posted by: DDBen

Originally posted by: drunkenmaster
you can survive a self destruct explosion if u have a jetpack... as athrun did. why does he have a jetpack? to escape when his gundam is about to explode, thats the whole point of having one. now how kira survived is a mystery. of course we all know GS is all messed up cuz of fukada. GSD better go over 50 eps or else there is no way they could fit in everything.

The explination for how Kira survived is contained in one of the Astray manga's that basically exist to put stucko in the plot holes that seed contains.

As more dumb the explanation will be (and i know it prolly will), I would like to hear it. So, do u have any links for these mangas?

Another note:

I don't understand why they created Shinn if not to kill him, because he is an ass, don't have any character development, and seems his live is just tragic losts. So, I would say Luna and Shinn will die for the sake of the show? Nah, prolly Fukuda is wetting on his pants to kill anyone even the DOM Troopers LOL

[coud656]

Hi minna!! ^_^ I'm new so hello =D

And now to the topic!*dum dum dum*
I have been visiting this place for awhile and just read thru all 3 pages of this thread and wow it was fun XD

Well we all know Kira is Fukuda's sex toy and that he will do anything for the sake of model sales...and i read somewhere in this thread that Kira lost to noone but Shinn...well your wrong there cause he lost to Athrun in GS and face it it was a fair fight dont bother making any excuses.Lets take a look shall we?

:SEED:
Kira killed Nicole and made Athrun go crazy but that was only after he retreated and had that emotional breakdown about how he was suppose to die and not Nicole,then during the battle Athrun had to go against Kira and tolle who was doing quite well in a skygrasper and thiks put Athrun to a disadvabtage against Kira.He succesfully skewered Tolle with his shield and made Kira go SEED so in return he went SEED for the first time as well and he would have killed Kira if he didnt run out of PS(definately a plot device).Then he opted for the self destruct option which would actually leace Kira dead but if i remember in SEED Astray it shows that Lowe was watching the battle between Kira and Athrun and rescued a bloody Kira that was lying on the beach half dead.To me this states that Athrun was actually the better pilot when he puts his heart into it but sadly that potential magically dissapeared because Kira was Fukuda's sex toy...and if i remember correctly Fukuda's original plan was for Kira to die in the eng of GS and Athrun losing an arm but it was quickly rethought because of fans

And now in GSD Kira survived a stab right below his cockpit and somehow magically got the plot device called "Nucleur Reactor off" button which i'm sure everyone is wondering how it got there..it just seems GSD became a bad show because of Kira,and i'm sure if he died then the plot would drastically change since its not real life..Lacus wouldnt be in danger or would somehow survive by going to earth,Cagalli would get lucky and dodge Destiny at the last second,Athrun would definately have healed faster..or could be something else and everyone dies but that will never happen since the fanbase for almost all the SEED characters are higher than the GSD ones...and its not that true that Shinn is hated by the fans..only we hate Shinn but not the people in Japan.Fukuda wouldnt really give a fuck about us but mainly about Japanese kids watching the show and in Japan if i remember Kira is still number 1 followed by Athrun then Shinn not to far behind...if you call this hated then I don't know what despised for you could be..well thats all for me gotta go study PMR exams coming liao
BYE BYE hope to see every1 soon =D

[AtHRunOwNZaLL]

Originally posted by: coud656
Well we all know Kira is Fukuda's sex toy and that he will do anything for the sake of model sales...and i read somewhere in this thread that Kira lost to noone but Shinn...well your wrong there cause he lost to Athrun in GS and face it it was a fair fight dont bother making any excuses.Lets take a look shall we?

:SEED:
Kira killed Nicole and made Athrun go crazy but that was only after he retreated and had that emotional breakdown about how he was suppose to die and not Nicole,then during the battle Athrun had to go against Kira and tolle who was doing quite well in a skygrasper and thiks put Athrun to a disadvabtage against Kira.He succesfully skewered Tolle with his shield and made Kira go SEED so in return he went SEED for the first time as well and he would have killed Kira if he didnt run out of PS(definately a plot device).Then he opted for the self destruct option which would actually leace Kira dead but if i remember in SEED Astray it shows that Lowe was watching the battle between Kira and Athrun and rescued a bloody Kira that was lying on the beach half dead.To me this states that Athrun was actually the better pilot when he puts his heart into it but sadly that potential magically dissapeared because Kira was Fukuda's sex toy...and if i remember correctly Fukuda's original plan was for Kira to die in the eng of GS and Athrun losing an arm but it was quickly rethought because of fans

welcome to the forums!! man your post is the best i've read so far this past week, athrun definitely beated kira, so for all those people who still think kira won or it was a draw, go to hell!!