I dont know if anyone notice.. but this past GSD episode 45, Kira has been promoted, I also check the offical Gundam-seed-d.com site.. and it confirms that Kira did change.. he's like one rank lower than Cagalli (I think) so here's the question.. will he command the Archangel as a Admiral in space and take command? or did they just felt like changing kira's rank..???
That whole thing is so pointless. I mean, the leaders of the AA strike force are all friends more or less, and right now they should be pressured for beating Dullindal and his mega evil plans of destiny (get the pun?) down. And what do they do during this crucial moment? PROMOTE KIRA!
This proves once and for all that the Archangel crew (and the ORB forces in general) are all morons.
Oh and to answer your question, I doubt Kira will do anything of real importance outside his MS.
No, both the AA and Minerva are going to sign peace treaties and everybody's going to party on the remains of Heliopolis! XD
lol
"Oh hay look it's Flay's mothers corpse!"
"Never liked Flay anyway"
"Damn straight, pass the beer"
Can you guys stick to the topic??? dont post random crap.. stick to the theory
considering the fact that AA has been officially acknowledged as Orb's Vessal in their military forces ranks should be given to their crew according to military rankings. This just makes them more official especially in the chain of command they are probably the flagship and report to know one while they can still lead the Orb forces. You need a ranking officer to direct a military force and therefore since Cagalli won't go to battle she appoints her brother and those who she trusts the most to lead her forces against Dullindal.
Amen.Originally posted by: Terracosmo
lol
"Oh hay look it's Flay's mothers corpse!"
"Never liked Flay anyway"
"Damn straight, pass the beer"
Kira is useless outside his MS so his higher rank will not do himany good at all.
Kira should enlist as real-time translator who deciphers all the bullshit Lacus says so that people who talk normally understand what her lame points are.
Seriously, she's so hilarious, like in the end of Seed when she starts babbling nonsense about evolution & humanity in general while half her fleet is getting killed outside the battleship.
Sticking to the topic: He's a general now(for what good it'll do) so he can basically have his own squad and do whatever he wants on the AA(no that he didnt before)
@Terra: well that will I guess contribute to him being the Ultimate Coordinator, so it wouldnt be a waste(of couse he will have to wait for someone to tell him to do it, b/c he never does anything on his own accord)
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Problem is this: I've never seen Kira really take charge of ANY situation in battle. He's always followed orders or gone soloing by himself to stop fights.
His new rank is just another bell and whistle to intrigue the mindless, slobbering Kira-fans (not saying they're ALL like that, mind you)
He's always done whatever he wants in his Gundam, a new rank won't change that. He's never really directed others in battle, but sometimes the AA listens to his suggestions, even when he was lower rank. So again, that doesn't change anything.
Bottom line: Who the fuck cares?
Oh, and while we're desecrating people's graves how about we have an allnight Onogoro rager at the ORB Remembrace Shrine, a kegger at Junius 7 and a Calygulian orgy at L4 Mendel Colony? And don't forget the Requiem Rave at the two PLANT colonies that were just destroyed!
Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
Kira doesn't need to be promoted especially since the rest of this show is in space. In space Kira is his own fucking armada. They should've promoted Athrun. Athrun has more tactical experience than Kira and is capable of working in a squad. Kira on the other hand fights battles and wins alone most of the time. Jeez, I wish that Athrun, Yzak and, Dearka were still a team. Then we could replace Nicol with Shiho.
yea then kira can kill shiho by accident and yzak will kill lacus and then both kira and yzak will go seed mode and go all out(you get my point right?stupid fukuda reuses storyline)Originally posted by: FelixZeroAlastor
Kira doesn't need to be promoted especially since the rest of this show is in space. In space Kira is his own fucking armada. They should've promoted Athrun. Athrun has more tactical experience than Kira and is capable of working in a squad. Kira on the other hand fights battles and wins alone most of the time. Jeez, I wish that Athrun, Yzak and, Dearka were still a team. Then we could replace Nicol with Shiho.
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ROFL yes, that would be a great job for Kira.Kira should enlist as real-time translator who deciphers all the bullshit Lacus says so that people who talk normally understand what her lame points are.
Seriously, she's so hilarious, like in the end of Seed when she starts babbling nonsense about evolution & humanity in general while half her fleet is getting killed outside the battleship.
If you ask me, Lacus is more evil and manipulative than Dullindal ever was.
Preaching peace and humanity, while at the same time, secretly building up your own faction of weapons of mass destruction, DOMs ([img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]) and an army of mobile suits.
Athrun is confused about what to do with his life, if fighting is worth it, five minutes with Lacus, he's up in the air slicing Shinn's arm off and tipping the battle for Orb.
Djibril blowing up three colonies in cold blood? killing millions? Another five minutes with lacus convinces AA to completely ignore EA and go after Dullindal!!
Maybe that's the twist in the end, Lacus is behind everything. lol. But really......she's a walking contradiction. I have no idea how she plans on maintaining her perfect peaceful world without fighting, and i have no clue what the hell she's doing now.
As for Kira's new rank, its obviously favourtism, being the brother of Orb's leader. Nothing more.
"You'll soon see what Gotham City is like without fear, and it won't be pretty. Fear is the glue that holds society together, it's what makes people suppress their worst impulses. Fear. Is power." - The Scarecrow
Oh please. Don't you guys get it? LACUS CAN SEE THE FUTURE!!! When she went into seed mode at the end of Seed she foresaw what was going to happen in Destiny. That is why she knows what to say every fucking time to resolve everyone of their doubts. Why do you think she always has some kind of super weapon being developed beforehand? SF, IJ, Dom Troopers, Eternal, Meteors, Andrew's Gaia, keys to Freedom under her house. She knew all of this was going to happen already. So she prepared herself and just plays along with the storyline in the end she knew everything. She probably even knows all about the Destiny Plan hence why she knew where it was. I liked the old Lacus better. You know before she commanded the eternal.
QFT. Thank you for making me laugh sir. "Fucking armada" is an excellent and humorous way of putting it. I love it.Originally posted by: FelixZeroAlastor
In space Kira is his own fucking armada.
His new rank is just another bell and whistle to intrigue the mindless, slobbering Kira-fans (not saying they're ALL like that, mind you)
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That could sum up pretty much all the Shinn fans as well.
Anyways, besides the personal attacks & the unnecessary commentaries and generalization of Kira/Shinn Fanboys, I'll start with a list of Kira's leadership qualifications.
- Took over control of Murrue's Strike gundam when they were piloting it in GS.
- He fights along side Mwu in many battles, so the part where someone said he went solo and participate in teamwork is not true. This can be seen many times in GSD as well when he took out Freedom out of retirement when Bartfeld or someone else could have piloted it. In fact he takes over the situation alot of times. Even going solo does not mean you're not a leader. It's rather that when Kira is around no one else seems as qualified as him to handle the MS's & Ms's aren't something that are plentiful on AA. In GS Strike was the ONLY one for a long time so it may make Kira look like a red-headed step-child who's overbearing and always disobeying orders and soloing Zaft & EAF by himself but there was only one MS going around.
- Lead the offensive to attack Klueze team in recovery of the stolen gundams from EAF/Orb by Raww although he did made some blunders such as turning his hometown into a space landfill by blowing it to pieces and opening a gate of exit for Zaft despite being scolded by Murrue and disobeying her orders.
- Return Lacus to Zaft. A diplomatic exchange reversing an otherwise random deal that Murrue could use to blackmail Zaft taking her as a prison which was suggested by her co-captain, Natalie, now deceased.
- Play a key role in trying to recover stolen Orb/EA gundams in many battles he could refuse to participate.
- Pretty much Strike was given to Kira although i doubt that they could trust a coordinator so i think that Kira somehow directly influenced the crew & took the helm of Strike gundam for himself. Remember he's a coordinator and the first few episodes, Murrue was shocked when she found out & nearly arrested him if not for his classmates and the dire situations of lost gundams.
- Went out of his way to disobey the captain while fighting in space against either the druggies or Zaft who were fighting to recover Archangel & he tried to save a young girl who was in an escape pod after a colony breaks apart b/c earlier she gives him a paper origami of a flower (more likely) or a bird (Tori) which impressed Kira because her spirit was high despite the dangers around her colony and it might have reminded him of his friendship with Athrun. He went out of his way to save a young girl and ended up flying back to the atmosphere in pieces. He survived because he used his shield to protect the cockpit and they say coordinators have better bodies that resist heat & atmospheric pressure or else he'd die from the fall if he's a natural so coordinators have bodies that heal faster.
- When Kira and his crew met Bartfeld, Kira basically called the shots. He was there to investigate his enemy's territory and ends up being investigated by the one he's investigating, sort of ironic. Perhaps it's all a plot device but we know Kira did not jump on Bartfeld right there and then or perhaps he's scaried to death seeing his enemy face to face, who knows. Of course later he end up fighting Bartfeld anyway after all that chatter and they seem they could sit down & try his coffee if not for that he is a coordinator dictator controlling one of regions of Earth of Zaft territory and that he has orders to follow. The crew learns of his name and i guess if they were bargaining deals with him for some village he's controlling. Perhaps they weren't seeking for him but for supplies for their ship in his territory and i think they ended up being helped by Bartfeld anyway before going back to fight him, sort of ironic. Kira played a role here as a protagonist against Bartfeld where as if he's not present AA would have moved on, although i dont remember it being that interesting.
- Established a relationship with Athrun persuading an alliance that was otherwise unlikely between old friends and rivals. The alliance was promisary rather than any real alliance and depended solely on the persuasion of the other side but it worked. Perhaps this was largely contributed by events that followed such as Lacus & Athrun meeting when she was close to being killed and Athrun was there or that Athrun lost his position as leader of Raw's team and Yzak was promoted after Athrun did something to demote himself or that many events followed.
- Played a role in forging the temporary peace treaty although it was short lived because somehow people will always find a way to destroy each other or get other kinds of weapons that are equally destructive (Requiem, Ms's, etc.) They should have just banned Ms's altogether but in that universe i guess everything depends on it and resources for building it aren't too difficult as long as you have money and man/woman power. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
List goes on.
Leadership is something that you do by yourself or you have impact on others by your presense alone or by words of motivation. In GS there is no doubt Kira was a protagonist. He's also a leader & wasn't just someone that followed orders. You can be a leader by your presense alone. There are two types of leaders 1) that tells his men (and women) to do something to accomplish their goals then stay in the back or in a camp's tent relaying & giving orders to majors, captains & lieutanants and being a wuss & run when it seemed a lost or go out to celebrate a victory 2) participate in the battle & appear on the battlefield and leads an assault. Other qualities are mental stability, temperance, conservative view (no left or right winged leader ever were good, not that i know of),
compassionate, wise, soft-spoken (& carry a big stick), resilient (a leader can't give up after failing just once), etc.
opinionated, controlling, and of course ...lead ...whether it is a movement or a war.
Kira has met most of these criterias. Maybe they could have left things as it was but Kira doesn't strike me as a type that fails as a leader. I fail to see why he SHOULDN'T be promoted. Whether or not Kira is promoted is unimportant because he has as much impact as Cagalli or Dullindal.
As for what he has done in GSD.
-Took freedom out of retirement (already stated)
-The decision to interfere in many of Orb & Zaft melees. Why let Athrun have all the fun?
-Planned with Lacus for switch-a-roo planning for escape of her known location on Eternal and back on Earth(although he keeps conveniently saving Cagalli and/or AA at a strategic battle, plot device?); a decision that ruined Dullindal's smug composure because he was going to make a strategic move with Meer & planning something like exposing Orb as Blue Cosmos so that there would be no nation in his way for his finale although Lacus's reappearance doesn't help her much because people were like "Hey, Lacus is connected to Blue Cosmos now?" (Did Dullindal knew Lacus's whereabout the whole time by spying & knew Athrun knew Meer was a fake or was he one of the few that didn't know Meer wasn't the real Lacus beside?)
Anyway, what's with the obsession over Kira? Why can't Kira just be a mindless robotic coordinator and not be a leader? There's nothing wrong with that. I dont think Kira or anyone would jump for joy when being promoted. It's an honor to be a leader and it is just as honorable being a grunt. Nothing wrong with being a grunt either. Everyone can't be leaders because some people suck at that position. It's just a suit. Dont get too light-headed over just the suit. It's just 100% cotton and wringle free.
Didn't really need that list since I am pretty sure we all know it.
alukard! if you are going to type a post that damn long, for heavens sake include something we don't already know. It's a real bother reading through your posts and then realizing that you are just stating common knowledge
Kira's new rank is GOD!![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]
Okay, seriously? He the strongest fighter of Orb, his sister is in charge of everything, his power gives the soldiers confidence and yadiyadiyada. So heck. Not suprising he gets a new military rank. Geez, its nothing to cry about.
Stop making so many excuses for hating Kira and just watch the damn series peacefully without any Fuck Kira or Fuck Shinn. Of course his new rank is not any different from Zaft you know. It's not like Shinn's and Rey's promotion to FAITH its soooo much different from Kira's promotion.
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The difference is that Shinn & Rey are still subordinates of Gil, while in the ORB armies everybody are more like friends and the whole reason behind ranking people just comes out as silly. (especially at this point in the series)
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