lol.... quite funny
anyways to continue the discussion
i would like to bring in the girty lue and eternal as well. Now which would seem a better ship of the four. I would have to say Girty Lue
lol.... quite funny
anyways to continue the discussion
i would like to bring in the girty lue and eternal as well. Now which would seem a better ship of the four. I would have to say Girty Lue
Ummm....Archangel wins...since the discussion has kind of gone off topic....[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
i'd say that AA would probably win. although the Minerva may be newer and possibly more advanced, the AA crew is far more experienced and have gotten out of some very sticky situations where they are outnumbered and outgunned.
and chances are i'm probably repeating what someone else said. ah wellz. i was too lazy to read all the posts. my apologies (^_^)
I guess. ^_^;
Might aswell close it to avoid any further conflict.
That is... unless someone actually has something to add to this.
Only sucky forums moderated by morons who don't know how to "avoid conflict" would lock a perfectly good topic just because it got a little derailed.Originally posted by: SkyReaper
Might aswell close it to avoid any further conflict.
I'm not trashing your opinion, I'm just stating that it won't happen that way here.
just two ships makes it a dull and boring argument. Bring Giry Lue in the mix cause as it can be considered a battleship of a similar class to the AA and Minerva. And let us consider Neo to be in charge, not Djibril!
It doesn't need to be closed in my opinion the off topic discussion is finished and if anyone got anything to add take it to PMs.
As for the Girty Lue and Eternal in the mix, Girty lue is obviously the ship with the most fire power and Eternal is the fastest. Girty Lue also got the advantage of having Mirage colloid. Girty Lue may be a candidate but Eternal only got speed. I don't know about Girty Lue's speed and mobility though, i will still go with the Archangel.
And why the hell is Girty Lue and Eternal being brought into this mix? This is a battle between Minerva and Archangel for goodness sake.
OK, can we forget about that stupid spite between you and Madell? I certainly can forget the snide comment about my interference. And what was wrong with me trying to stop the useless insulting considering this is thediscussion I intiated? Ma ta ke.....
Anyway, to all readers again, please don't bring Eternal, Girty Lue, or anyother ship for that matter into the mix.
All in favour of AA say Aye.
Aye.
ON topic:Archangel vs Minerva,Archangel will definitely win,since Archangel has got 1 more Lohengrin and it's Valiant guns are far better than the stupid Isolde.In fact,in so many episodes the Tristan and Isolde is rarely on target.I think they only have a penchant for Positronic guns.
And Girty Lue is a good ship if used properly like Neo did.Mirage Colloid and most Gottfrieds of any ship.
Addicted to Gunpla right now...
as well as more missile launchers than any ship
Archangel
Addicted to Gunpla right now...
Why don't you edit this thread into a poll so we can vote?
Hi, I just joint the forum, and like to add my opinion.
At least I side with AA, because the Creaw seams to mea, as they have the more usefull expierence.
I think that Talias knwoledg is more like "everything as the ruls say".
In addition she had shown a lag off tactics in the beginning, as Athrun have to rescue the Minerva givving a good advise from the "backseat".
I don't think that the different weapons will make any differents, because a dog-fight AA VS. Minerva won't be won by pure force......
Asuming that th G's keep each other busy, I think the AA is in an advanteg because is it more compact(Dont know if this is correct written sry, I'am from Gearmany)... so it is harder to hit..
The Valints are able to aim at targets in an ca.20% range ad thr gottfrieds could be fired in an small angel, so they don block each other path.
The minearv agains is more handicapt by is design, the firing angels of ther weapons are smaller then the AA's
And at least.. they have added an hod-bath to AA, you cant tell me this is possible with out major chnages in the interior desigm...
Oh, just remembering Minerve seams to me like a try to change the battleship design off AA'class into an mulitfunction carryer... this is always a bad idea!!!!
Agai sorry for my bad English...
Narutofan, my vote is for.......................*drum roll*.............................ARCH ANGEL!
PSJ, thanks for the laugh, i like that post of yours regarding the anger and the taking cover [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
meh, it'll depend. if its in space, minerva will pwn. If on land(Earth) , archangel will pwn
i vote for Minerva simply because the archangel crew is totally annoying
Im in agreement with splash...
AA's got my vote all the way.
Although I think I've noticed a severe flaw that might kill any of AA's true potential.
*Looks at every sceen where they power up AA for take-off and show a monitor of the system check*
Is that thing's OS Windows? @_@;
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Hi, kinda just going though each of the forums and checking it out. For whatever it's worth to you here's my two cents:
I believe the Minerva would win in a fight based on the scenerio and a few of my personal assumptions (opinion, whichever once you want to call them):
First off I'm not going to look at the specs of the two ships because let's face it. Truthfully either one could destroy the other. If not we could just stop there and be done with it. So the assumption maded here is that it will depend on the ability of the crew and captain.
Analysis of the crew:
Based upon what I've observed of both crews in the series I will assume that the crew of the AA is superior:
Superiority comes in the form of, they've had more experience not just in battle but also working together as a team under difficult situations, are able to take commands and carry them out promptly. Know where they're supposed to be at any given time.
My assumption here is based on the fact that crew of the AA have been through more battle scenerios and actually have more well formed and structured chain of command not only based upon ranking but mutual respect and understanding for eachother.
This is something I've seen lacking in the crew of the Minerva where even the vice captain is found away from his post during battle scenerio, orders are not given or carried out promptly at times. And the respect that's due to the captain is not always displayed as other people have put forth as arguments before.
Analysis of the captains:
Based upon limited knowledge of the history of the capatain of the Minerva I would have to say that the captain of the AA have far more experience in battle. Though in terms of ability I don't know. Both seem to be lacking. (I think I know what most of you are going to say but hey that's just what I think...) The captain of the AA lacks in battle tatics when compared to the captain of the dominion which completely out maneuvered and strategized her. As was the captain of the Minerva by Neo at the beginning of the series and by the ORB fleet. Both display a tendancy to be caught off guard and suffer for it.
The advantage the AA does have over the Minerva in this field are two very cunning individuals with commanding experience in battle. Mwu and Andrew. Both of which have far getter battle experience than either captain, and show a cunning and deviousness the two captains seems to lack. (whether it was because they were evil at the time and though of evil plots at the time I have no clue but either way they can be sneaky little...)
Given this it would seem that the Minerva is at a disadvantage up to this point and truthfully yes they are but now we'll look at the motivation of the two ship captains, which I believe to the be the deciding point
The Captain of the Minerva's only motivation is that she feels ZAFT is right and thus her orders are law. She doesn't have to worry about the consequences so much as long as she stands by the" ZAFT and the chairman are pulling the string and I trust them to do what is right in the end so I'll just do my job to the bet of my abilities"
The Captain of the AA on the other hand has only her morale conscience to guide her actions. She takes no orders, everything she does she must first justify to herself. This can leave her nice and conflicted, at time of decision. Something that almost costed her life in Gundam Seed. She still has difficulty with the concept of taking lives as seen in her actions throughout most of every battle the AA has ever been in in GSD.
This I believe to be the biggest deciding factor. Mindset. The reluctance to fight or take a life during battle time is fatal. If you can't pull the tigger at the last scene, you die. Mwu died once to save them from that mistake and given the hidden theme of "not learning from past mistakes" in GSD I think that the captain of the AA is doomed to repeat the same mistake. Given no outside interference by gundams. I don't think it likely that mwu can die again to save her from the same mistake a second time give this hypothetical situation.
I believe on the other hand that the captain of the Minerva, while still reluctant to fire, is less so and will fire when time comes. (this is of course assuming that someone like mwu or andrew doesn't just go off and pull the trigger before the captain has a chance to hesitate, cause the flip side to that is they probably have someone like rey on the minerva side that'd do the same). I my mind it would be the same reason why Shinn was able to be Kira the first time, because Kira wasn't trying to kill Shinn but Shiin was trying to kill Kira. Even though the difference in ability and Gundam Suits gave Kira the advantage Shinn was able pull the trigger in the end while Kira wasn't. Let's face it, had Kira actually wanted to kill Shinn at that point, no questions asked Shinn would be another smear on the ocean floor.
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