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    Originally posted by: Terracosmo
    Kira doesn't cry in Destiny, he lost his personality in a tragic marketing accident prior to the series' start.
    LOL, you crack me up dude.

    But I actually thought everyone's reactions at Requiem's firing were believable, EXCEPT FOR LACUS!

    The EAF blows away millions of civilians and she says, "We have to attack ZAFT, they're about to manipulate people through genetic engineering!" And all the ArchAngel people agree!

    This reminds me of Gundam Wing when they Gundam pilots have to decide who to fight, OZ or White Fang, and even though OZ is a bunch of arrogant bastards trying to take over the entire world, they decide to fight against White Fang because of the Libra doomsday device. Their logic was that White Fang was too strong and obviously a direct threat to humanity's future.

    the ArchAngel people all do the exact fucking opposite. (But we don't know quite what Messiah is yet, do we)

    And the whole Destiny Plan sounded like total and utter crap. Give me a fucking break! Do you know how long that would take to implement?!? Do you know how much resistance would meet it from the vast majority of people who haven't been included in the Destiny Plan (and it can't be anyone older than 20 or so, since Rau and Dullindal aren't old enough to have been able to plant Destiny genes in their own generation or anyone before.

    Lacus always says that its so sad to fight and counter attack and attack etc etc. But then she concludes with "But we must fight!"

    Another thing that has really really REALLY FUCKING PISSED ME OFF THROUGHOUT ALL OF DESTINY:

    WHERE THE FUCK DOES THE ARCHANGEL GET THEIR INFO FROM!?!?!?! HOW DO THEY KNOW WHAT DESTINY PLAN IS!?!? WHO SUPPLIED THEM WITH UBER-POWERED GUNDAMS! WHO PAYS FOR THEIR ARMNEMENTS, RESUPPLYING AND REPAIRS!?!?! IT MAKES NO SENSE! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SOMEONE TELL ME!!!!!!

    Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".

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    Well the destiny plan i guess was in that folder brought back to the Eternal in episode 39, i would guess that since Lacus has many followers she could have some people spying on ZAFT all the time and relaying info on technology, Lacus also prolly has a lot of money and I bet Cagalli could use ORB to further supply her, and I mean if the story has them owning a factory disguised as an asteroid then them being able to build some uber-powered gundams in them isn't that unreasonable. As for repairs the only repairs that needed to be done were on AA, the only other thing from AA damaged was freedom before it blew up i think, and that was fixed in ORB. I don't know, some of their actions do seem rediculous but in a show like this with everything that has been happening I don't think them having access to all of these things is too farfetched.

    Also, when was the last time the EAF managed to win a battle? I think that with the entire ZAFT army heading to the moon, you can assume Djibril is about to get fucked pretty hard, so why bother planning to go attack the moon where you will most likely have to fight ZAFT forces also.

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    masemuneehs:

    LOL, you crack me up dude.
    WHERE THE FUCK DOES THE ARCHANGEL GET THEIR INFO FROM!?!?!?! HOW DO THEY KNOW WHAT DESTINY PLAN IS!?!? WHO SUPPLIED THEM WITH UBER-POWERED GUNDAMS! WHO PAYS FOR THEIR ARMNEMENTS, RESUPPLYING AND REPAIRS!?!?! IT MAKES NO SENSE! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SOMEONE TELL ME!!!!!!
    LOL right back at you!
    That's seriously so true. Most of the things that happen in Destiny is so fucking random and "convenient."

    (And to think that you used to believe I was stalking you. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img])

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    Originally posted by: Freki
    Well the destiny plan i guess was in that folder brought back to the Eternal in episode 39, i would guess that since Lacus has many followers she could have some people spying on ZAFT all the time and relaying info on technology, Lacus also prolly has a lot of money and I bet Cagalli could use ORB to further supply her, and I mean if the story has them owning a factory disguised as an asteroid then them being able to build some uber-powered gundams in them isn't that unreasonable. As for repairs the only repairs that needed to be done were on AA, the only other thing from AA damaged was freedom before it blew up i think, and that was fixed in ORB. I don't know, some of their actions do seem rediculous but in a show like this with everything that has been happening I don't think them having access to all of these things is too farfetched.

    Also, when was the last time the EAF managed to win a battle? I think that with the entire ZAFT army heading to the moon, you can assume Djibril is about to get fucked pretty hard, so why bother planning to go attack the moon where you will most likely have to fight ZAFT forces also.
    Ok. Perhaps some of your points are relevant. Let's assume that the Destiny Plan was in those documents Lacus got in episode 39. I ask, how was Dullindal so sloppy with his secret plan that his enemy got it? Cagalli supplied Lacus with money? But Cagalli was out of the nation for a good portion of the action AND she didn't know about Destiny till Lacus told her. They have a disguised factory. I ask, who built that factory and how come ZAFT didn't know about it? As for repairs on AA, where did they get the money to pay for it? Who even has the ability to fix such a ship outside of ORB, EAF or ZAFT, all of which were against AA at the time?

    And for your final point: NO!! ZAFT would have wiped out the EAF a long long time ago if it weren't for Lacus faction's interference. Minerva is almost always fighting AA, Destiny/Impulse & Legend are almost constantly fighting Kira whenever AA is in the battle. AA's attacking ZAFT throws a huge chance of opportunity to EAF because ZAFT suddenly has to fight two different enemies.

    And do you think Dullindal doesn't know AA is coming after him? He'll have plenty of troops around Messiah, don't you sweat it.

    Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".

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    Originally posted by: masamuneehs
    Let's assume that the Destiny Plan was in those documents Lacus got in episode 39. I ask, how was Dullindal so sloppy with his secret plan that his enemy got it?
    Lacus has spies scattered all through ZAFT on most if not all levels, just seeing how long she survived a complete manhunt against her proves she is more resourceful than people (veiwers) give her credit for. Even so the Destiny Plan wasn't completely detailed in those documents Lacus got her hands on - just a whole bunch of coallated information. Lacus is smart, she read those documents and put 2 and 2 together, hence she began her entire explaination with the phrase 'I think'.


    Originally posted by: masamuneehs
    Cagalli supplied Lacus with money? But Cagalli was out of the nation for a good portion of the action AND she didn't know about Destiny till Lacus told her.
    Lacus and the Clyne faction ORB and Morganrate had the better half of 2 years to develop and build IJ and SF, I don't see how it's so 'random and illogical'.


    Originally posted by: masamuneehs
    They have a disguised factory. I ask, who built that factory and how come ZAFT didn't know about it?
    Again, 2 years, and Lacus is both a Pop Star AND a major political figurehead. She probably has a load of money stashed away in one of her huge mansions and an inexaughstable supply of favours from various people all over tghe Earth Sphere, particually in ZAFT.


    Originally posted by: masamuneehs
    As for repairs on AA, where did they get the money to pay for it? Who even has the ability to fix such a ship outside of ORB, EAF or ZAFT, all of which were against AA at the time?
    Repairs have always been foggy, in G.SEED the AA had one of it's Gottfreid Cannons blown up by the Dominion, then 5 minutes later, they dock and spend 10 minutes on repairs and it's all fixed. I attribute this mainly to bad writing, though if any ship takes major damage they always dock somewhere first (as seen by the Minerva's need to dock to repair the Taunhausser.)



    Point: Lacus is rich and resourceful, I wouldn't put much past her, considering she obviously has access to most ZAFT top-secret information AND Morganrate behind her to develop any technology she wants.



    EDIT: And before someone asks, "If they has IJ and SF for a hwile now, why didn't Kira just get into SF instead of pussy footing around?" I'd say, the same reason Dillundal gave Shinn the Impulse to begin with instead of the Destiny (which was completed by that point.)

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    Originally posted by: Kovash
    EDIT: And before someone asks, "If they has IJ and SF for a hwile now, why didn't Kira just get into SF instead of pussy footing around?" I'd say, the same reason Dillundal gave Shinn the Impulse to begin with instead of the Destiny (which was completed by that point.)
    I have no proof, but I believe Destiny was finished at that point, but they couldn't put it into service since they were trying to hold to the Junius 7 treaty.

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    Originally posted by: Curium
    I have no proof, but I believe Destiny was finished at that point, but they couldn't put it into service since they were trying to hold to the Junius 7 treaty.
    I considered that for a while - but it strikes me as odd that Destiny and Legend can still run out of power like a normal suit. Somehow I doubt that Their energy requirements could be anywhere near as much as Freedom, considering the amount of beams on that thing (most of Destiny's weapons are independant of the suit itself.)

    The point is, Dillundal has kept the world' favour by adhearing to any and all rules, somehow I don't think he's justified enough in both his eyes and the eyes of the world to resort to nuclear technology yet. So yeah... somehow I don't think that's the real reason.


    EDIT: I've just ben over all conversational peices (inside the show) about Destiny and Legend, and no one ever makes mention of their Nuclear Engines, furthur giving me the impression that they are not true nuclear engines and within the bounds of the treaty.

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    Originally posted by: masamuneehs
    And for your final point: NO!! ZAFT would have wiped out the EAF a long long time ago if it weren't for Lacus faction's interference. Minerva is almost always fighting AA, Destiny/Impulse & Legend are almost constantly fighting Kira whenever AA is in the battle. AA's attacking ZAFT throws a huge chance of opportunity to EAF because ZAFT suddenly has to fight two different enemies.
    I'm confused by this... Earlier you thought it was dumb that AA was ignoring Djibril's big weapon. I was just saying that AA shouldn't go attack Djibril because they would end up fighting with ZAFT too and with the entire ZAFT army heading to the moon Djibril is screwed. There is no reason for AA to focus on Djibril, they should be more worried about Dullindal if they think his Destiny Plan needs to be stopped since they are only ones who really can do anything about it at this point.

    I agree that AA delayed ZAFT wiping out EAF since I can't really think of any battles that the EAF has won so far.

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    Originally posted by: Kovash

    Repairs have always been foggy, in G.SEED the AA had one of it's Gottfreid Cannons blown up by the Dominion, then 5 minutes later, they dock and spend 10 minutes on repairs and it's all fixed. I attribute this mainly to bad writing, though if any ship takes major damage they always dock somewhere first (as seen by the Minerva's need to dock to repair the Taunhausser.)
    Hmm... it may be attributed to the type of repair station they went to. Let's take the example of the AA being repaired at the ORB location in the last few eps of GS[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]. That repair station was secretly owned by... I forgot her name. But it was secret and there was probably a lack of engineers and mechanics to do the job quickly.

    The place they fixed AA before in GS was probably a place where a battle was going on, hence all the repairs were more urgent and there were plenty of mechanics to go around.

    Then again, I don't remember every detail of GS, I'm just making logical assumptions.

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    Originally posted by: masamuneehs
    Originally posted by: Terracosmo
    Kira doesn't cry in Destiny, he lost his personality in a tragic marketing accident prior to the series' start.
    LOL, you crack me up dude.

    But I actually thought everyone's reactions at Requiem's firing were believable, EXCEPT FOR LACUS!

    The EAF blows away millions of civilians and she says, "We have to attack ZAFT, they're about to manipulate people through genetic engineering!" And all the ArchAngel people agree!

    This reminds me of Gundam Wing when they Gundam pilots have to decide who to fight, OZ or White Fang, and even though OZ is a bunch of arrogant bastards trying to take over the entire world, they decide to fight against White Fang because of the Libra doomsday device. Their logic was that White Fang was too strong and obviously a direct threat to humanity's future.

    the ArchAngel people all do the exact fucking opposite. (But we don't know quite what Messiah is yet, do we)

    And the whole Destiny Plan sounded like total and utter crap. Give me a fucking break! Do you know how long that would take to implement?!? Do you know how much resistance would meet it from the vast majority of people who haven't been included in the Destiny Plan (and it can't be anyone older than 20 or so, since Rau and Dullindal aren't old enough to have been able to plant Destiny genes in their own generation or anyone before.

    Lacus always says that its so sad to fight and counter attack and attack etc etc. But then she concludes with "But we must fight!"

    Another thing that has really really REALLY FUCKING PISSED ME OFF THROUGHOUT ALL OF DESTINY:

    WHERE THE FUCK DOES THE ARCHANGEL GET THEIR INFO FROM!?!?!?! HOW DO THEY KNOW WHAT DESTINY PLAN IS!?!? WHO SUPPLIED THEM WITH UBER-POWERED GUNDAMS! WHO PAYS FOR THEIR ARMNEMENTS, RESUPPLYING AND REPAIRS!?!?! IT MAKES NO SENSE! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SOMEONE TELL ME!!!!!!
    wow dude, all those questions have been answered a million times, no joke.

    yeah yeah yeah the destiny plan sounded like crap, so what? so far the whole GSD script has been crap.

    and yeah, the clyne faction has a lot of money to waste on new gundams, Lacus is freakin rich, if she wants to expend a couple of bucks in a new gundam instead of going to a beach resort then what the hell, its her money! heck, if i had her money I would also make kick ass weapons of mass destruction, jeez, ppl do it in real life anyways.

    and yes, the AA gets repaired and resuplied and shit like that, but then again its been sponsored by the Clyne faction, ORB, and Nike, so what do you expect???

    and yes, the AA is going against ZAFT and not against LOGOS but then again if you tryed to kill me (dullindale) i would not just go against the ppl whos trying to kill you (djbril) just like that (or at least not yet). heck im not sayin thats the reaason but thats what i would do, and heck, thats what AA is doing [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

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    Originally posted by: masamuneehs
    And the whole Destiny Plan sounded like total and utter crap. Give me a fucking break! Do you know how long that would take to implement?!? Do you know how much resistance would meet it from the vast majority of people who haven't been included in the Destiny Plan (and it can't be anyone older than 20 or so, since Rau and Dullindal aren't old enough to have been able to plant Destiny genes in their own generation or anyone before.
    Unless Fukuda rips an idea from Xenogears- using nanomacines to alter the genetic structure of people [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

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    Originally posted by: Terracosmo
    masemuneehs:

    LOL, you crack me up dude.
    WHERE THE FUCK DOES THE ARCHANGEL GET THEIR INFO FROM!?!?!?! HOW DO THEY KNOW WHAT DESTINY PLAN IS!?!? WHO SUPPLIED THEM WITH UBER-POWERED GUNDAMS! WHO PAYS FOR THEIR ARMNEMENTS, RESUPPLYING AND REPAIRS!?!?! IT MAKES NO SENSE! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SOMEONE TELL ME!!!!!!
    LOL right back at you!
    That's seriously so true. Most of the things that happen in Destiny is so fucking random and "convenient."

    (And to think that you used to believe I was stalking you. [img][/img])
    Isnt it obvious?, they get their info from the Clyne Faction and ORB, maybe u forget, but ORB is a country and the Clyne Faction is a minority group who doesnt approve or condone Plant's Chairman. Its obvious a minority group like that cant win, unless they have the upper hand, how to get that? WITH INTEL!!!!.

    Lacus knows what the Destiny PLan is because she read the Diary or Notes of some Scientific or friend of Dullindal, where he says "Dullindall's Destiny Plan is promising" or something like that, the probability of what the Destiny plan is written in it is HIGH. Either way, a WORLD WITHOUT WAR, only way to do that is for Mankind to reach a point in evolution where they arent humans anymore (humans always have disputes which is equal to WAR or FIGHTS). My point being, they need to be like ANTS where every individual has a predetermined task (ANTS have only 2 or 3 kinds of jobs, not sure, but u get where im getting), and only way of doing that is through GENE-MANIPULATION, given each indibidual certain potential, certain determinated place in society, where ones DESTINY is chosen at birth for someone (DULLINDAL, I knew he had a GOD-COMPLEX, the guy who fansubbed CEllphone's Phase 40 was right, check the end of the post to see what im talking about).

    NOW, the uber GUNDAMS. Let me see, again INTEL has its part here. The Clyne Faction wasnt disbanded, they knew the possibility for another war was high, they only buy some time. My question is, do u really think PLANT and EAF would use the same weapons? of course not, THEY R HUMANS, humans would get mor epowerful weapons to strike at their enemy, to improve themselves, obviously the Clyne Faction would need more powerful GUNDAMS and weapons which is equal to SFreedom and Ijustice (and who kinows how more many MS or Ships they have).

    Who pays?, maybe u dont know but there is always people who supports projects because they can earn even more money, they belive in the cause, U forget who leads the Clyne Faction? Lacus Clyne, an Idol and Daughter of a former Chairman of PLANT ( i posted this before), u cant expect her to be poor and alone in her quest. duh.

    Who repairs? let me think thi is a hard one to answer. Last time i checked ORB had Mongaenraete and the CLYNE FACTION had a Factory where Sfreedom and Ijustice were developed!!!!. But, where do they get their repairs done?. OMG, i dont know the answer. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]. (I hope every one got this)

    CELLPHONE's Phase 40:

    Dullindal: "Now is time for me to gaze out of my very large windows"
    "So i can se things clearly"
    "Like in the depths of your souls"
    "Holy Shit im GOD, and SHinn is my JESUS"

    REY GOT EXCLUDED [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

    I HOPE EVERYTHING IS CLEAR NOW.

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    Ok you all. Unless you've forgotten what happened, the Clyne faction does have money, Lacus does have supporters and ORB does have Morgenrate.

    BUT consider this: For most of Destiny ORB has been fighting against the ArchAngel & crew under the direction of Yuna Roma. Do you think they'd just let Morgenrate supply weapons to their enemy? Countries develop weapons because they have billions of tax dollars and human resources to use to research and develop massive weapons. They also keep a tight lid so that their best secrets and recent developments aren't stolen by random do-gooders & other factions.

    Consider this: Almost everyone in ZAFT believed that Dullindal's Meer Campbell was the real Lacus FOR ALMOST ALL OF DESTINY! There is no explanation how/if/when the Clyne faction people found out which Lacus was the real one, it is totally left out. Also, if ZAFT has any kind of modernized banking system Lacus' purchasing of military hardware would draw a zillion red flags. Also, who in ZAFT would sell them weapons to develop IJ and the new Justice? Who in the Clyne faction would even be in the position to disobey Dullindal, steal and sell ZAFT's military secrets to Lacus? This is also never explained. Who are her spies who can access Dullindal's dubious Destiny Plan? How come nobody else could find anything about it? This is also not explained.

    A big Factory floating in space that ZAFT has no idea about? A splinter group of Morgenrate working under who to supply the AA? Top of the line military hardware being smuggled outside of two nations THAT ARE AT FREAKIN WAR PEOPLE and handed over to a popstar and her cohorts who have been slipping around in the background and never come forward with a formal statement until episode 44? TOP OF THE FUCKING LINE MILITARY HARDWARE PEOPLE! Anyone have any clue how fucking impossible it'd be for some popstar and a dethroned ORB ambassador to pay for all that?

    I DON'T WANT DEUS-EX-MACHINA BULLSHIT! I WILL NOT ACCEPT HALF ANSWERS! I WILL SHOUT AND YELL AND CRITICIZE UNTIL THINGS ARE EXPLAINED PROPERLY!

    EDIT: Oh, and to those who keep talking about Clyne faction supporters, please tell me who these people are, where they've been the entire Destiny series, how they can openly defy Dullindal (who will pay them better than Lacus) and then I'll believe that the Clyne faction isn't some BS invention of cheesiness by Fukuda.

    Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".

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    BUT consider this: For most of Destiny ORB has been fighting against the ArchAngel & crew under the direction of Yuna Roma. Do you think they'd just let Morgenrate supply weapons to their enemy? Countries develop weapons because they have billions of tax dollars and human resources to use to research and develop massive weapons. They also keep a tight lid so that their best secrets and recent developments aren't stolen by random do-gooders & other factions.

    Consider this: Almost everyone in ZAFT believed that Dullindal's Meer Campbell was the real Lacus FOR ALMOST ALL OF DESTINY! There is no explanation how/if/when the Clyne faction people found out which Lacus was the real one, it is totally left out. Also, if ZAFT has any kind of modernized banking system Lacus' purchasing of military hardware would draw a zillion red flags. Also, who in ZAFT would sell them weapons to develop IJ and the new Justice? Who in the Clyne faction would even be in the position to disobey Dullindal, steal and sell ZAFT's military secrets to Lacus? This is also never explained. Who are her spies who can access Dullindal's dubious Destiny Plan? How come nobody else could find anything about it? This is also not explained.

    A big Factory floating in space that ZAFT has no idea about? A splinter group of Morgenrate working under who to supply the AA? Top of the line military hardware being smuggled outside of two nations THAT ARE AT FREAKIN WAR PEOPLE and handed over to a popstar and her cohorts who have been slipping around in the background and never come forward with a formal statement until episode 44? TOP OF THE FUCKING LINE MILITARY HARDWARE PEOPLE! Anyone have any clue how fucking impossible it'd be for some popstar and a dethroned ORB ambassador to pay for all that?
    Lets me ask you this, how can the coordinaters that dropped Junis 7 have gotten the materials and Ginns and Zakus to create the job? How did Logos (Phantom Pain) get what seems to be an almost complete report of where and the types of 3 secret Gundams and steal them. It was mentioned that the crew of AA was in Scandinavia, maybe they got help from them? Maybe because of the last war and their heroics in them a lot of people trust them and believe in them. Maybe thats why Morgenroete helped AA, all Cagalli has to do is show up. She is still their representive. About Lacus's bank account, maybe she moved the cash around to Orb or another neutral country. There could be a lot of spies, double agents going on. The problem is this. . . . .they only have 50 episodes to tell this story.

    Btw Morgenroete is a private company based in Orb which is one of the TOP of the line military contractor who has sercretly collaborated with the EAF before. Who's to say that they cant support the AA?

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    The AA hasn't been in that many fights over the course of Destiny, they went against Minerva 3 times on their own and once after rejoining ORB and then they went against Stellar's Destory. The only time the really needed to resupply would have been after the AA got beat by Minerva when Freedom was destroyed and some of those repairswere shown during the show, they showed them doing that stuff when Kira took off for space in 39 even. Even before that point the ship was in Scandanavia. I don't think it is to hard to imagine that during the 2 years of peace between SEED and GSD that the AA crew could have stockpiled supplies in the place they were hiding the AA.

    About everyone believing Meer was Lacus, obviously those close to Lacus knew she wasn't and if Lacus has been getting info from spies I imagine showing that she is the real Lacus before hand isn't some impossible feet, she also coud have been getting info from people like that guy that has always been with Waltfeld(sorry don't know his name) who could have investigated himself or had other people he was in contact with. We don't know how many people have believed Meer was real this whole time GSD has been going on. Just look at the DOM trio, do you think they have lived in that factory for 2 years or do you think Lacus got in contact with them after war broke out.

    There must be so much crap floating through space that I don't find it that surprising that something that looks like an asteroid hasn't been discovered yet, and about technology, I would be far more surprised that the Chairman was able to uncover the identity of the LOGOS members as I am sure they were a huge secret known only to top EAF military personal, then Lacus getting info from ZAFT when she has enormous influence in ZAFT and the fact that i doubt that every single person who worked on the development and construction of Destiny and Legend was in the top echelons of the ZAFT military. Besides we saw Lacus' ability to gather information in SEED when she was able to give Kira Freedom.

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    Originally posted by: Freki
    getting info from people like that guy that has always been with Waltfeld(sorry don't know his name)
    Martin DeCosta

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    Originally posted by: masamuneehs
    Ok you all. Unless you've forgotten what happened, the Clyne faction does have money, Lacus does have supporters and ORB does have Morgenrate.

    BUT consider this: For most of Destiny ORB has been fighting against the ArchAngel & crew under the direction of Yuna Roma. Do you think they'd just let Morgenrate supply weapons to their enemy? Countries develop weapons because they have billions of tax dollars and human resources to use to research and develop massive weapons. They also keep a tight lid so that their best secrets and recent developments aren't stolen by random do-gooders & other factions.

    Consider this: Almost everyone in ZAFT believed that Dullindal's Meer Campbell was the real Lacus FOR ALMOST ALL OF DESTINY! There is no explanation how/if/when the Clyne faction people found out which Lacus was the real one, it is totally left out. Also, if ZAFT has any kind of modernized banking system Lacus' purchasing of military hardware would draw a zillion red flags. Also, who in ZAFT would sell them weapons to develop IJ and the new Justice? Who in the Clyne faction would even be in the position to disobey Dullindal, steal and sell ZAFT's military secrets to Lacus? This is also never explained. Who are her spies who can access Dullindal's dubious Destiny Plan? How come nobody else could find anything about it? This is also not explained.

    A big Factory floating in space that ZAFT has no idea about? A splinter group of Morgenrate working under who to supply the AA? Top of the line military hardware being smuggled outside of two nations THAT ARE AT FREAKIN WAR PEOPLE and handed over to a popstar and her cohorts who have been slipping around in the background and never come forward with a formal statement until episode 44? TOP OF THE FUCKING LINE MILITARY HARDWARE PEOPLE! Anyone have any clue how fucking impossible it'd be for some popstar and a dethroned ORB ambassador to pay for all that?

    I DON'T WANT DEUS-EX-MACHINA BULLSHIT! I WILL NOT ACCEPT HALF ANSWERS! I WILL SHOUT AND YELL AND CRITICIZE UNTIL THINGS ARE EXPLAINED PROPERLY!

    EDIT: Oh, and to those who keep talking about Clyne faction supporters, please tell me who these people are, where they've been the entire Destiny series, how they can openly defy Dullindal (who will pay them better than Lacus) and then I'll believe that the Clyne faction isn't some BS invention of cheesiness by Fukuda.
    Ok, here are some thoughts, use ur f*****g brain. As a start, its trute that such an amount of money can draw red flags, but, who said she has only one bank account? who said she used a bank ccount?. F starters, u want to know names?, ok, REVEREND MARKIO is like a mediator between the JUNK GUILD and ZAFT, EAF, and ORB, so the JUNK GUILD can sell and do the things they do, REVEREND MARKIO is a supporter, former Charirwoman Canarvas must be other supporter, and who knows how much ppl. With Reverend Markio and former Chairwoman Canarvas would be enough.

    Another question, do u really think the CLyne Faction receive orders by TV?. The real Lacus musthave channel to contact the members, Eternal's crew obviously know her, but in war or anything INTEL is always what can give u the upper hand, if they didnt do anything was because for a start, they didnt know exactly what were Dullindal's true intention (Proof to what the Destiny Plan is starts to appear in Phase 39) u must have at least this much brain, or do u need them to explain every bit of information and plot?.

    Orb or Jona Roma wasnt supplying AA weapons, as u must have realized in Phase 42, AA wasnt in Morgaenraete, It was hided in an ISland (i could bet my life saying it was secret base only AA's Crew and close engineers working for Erica Simons knew about. In Phase 15, i think, Orb mentioned AA as an unknown, so AA wasnt officially part of ORB, it was like a secret weapon, what reason would Orb have to attack or try to stop AA if is part of their military, at that moment AA was hided in the same secret island or maybe another one. Just so u see what Orb's Representative can do.

    What top of the line military was Smuggled? maybe i missed that one. Ill be waiting for ur answer.

    Why would Lacus pruchase military hardware? SHE has a f*****g factory, where did that factory come from? It was obviously build or it was aleady built after the war 2 years ago (and moved). Reverend Markio has connections, a lot of connections with the JUNK GUILD (i hope by now u understand theeir name), getting materials and hardware they cant build would be easy, or at least highly doable. BTW, they didnt Assemble IJ and SF, they were BUILT almost from scratch (obviously they build based on Freedom and Justice).

    Who would disobey Dullindals and sell military secrets to Lacus? What did they Sell her? what military secrets? The DOM Troopers were built in Lacus' Factory (or maybe the factory belongs to some of her supporters, that isnt clear yet). IJ and SF were built, again, based on Freedom and Justice, and upgraded.

    Who r Lacus' spies who had acces to Dullindal's Destiny Plan? HAVE U BEEN WATCHING THE SHOW? Or u just had some time and put together some s**t?. DaCosta was investigating the asteroid Mendel and found the Diary wer e possibly the Destiny Plan is explained, the show still has some episodes left so wait till it ends b4 asking.

    The factory nobody knew about, as i said, could probably have been moved from its original location, after all asteroids do move, and last time i checked the Universe has a lot of space were to build a factory secretly, or maybe it could have been done the same way GENESIS was.

    Ok, i think i covered all.

  20. #140

    phase 44 discussion

    Originally posted by: SFreedomZGMFx20a
    Originally posted by: masamuneehs
    Ok you all. Unless you've forgotten what happened, the Clyne faction does have money, Lacus does have supporters and ORB does have Morgenrate.

    BUT consider this: For most of Destiny ORB has been fighting against the ArchAngel & crew under the direction of Yuna Roma. Do you think they'd just let Morgenrate supply weapons to their enemy? Countries develop weapons because they have billions of tax dollars and human resources to use to research and develop massive weapons. They also keep a tight lid so that their best secrets and recent developments aren't stolen by random do-gooders & other factions.

    Consider this: Almost everyone in ZAFT believed that Dullindal's Meer Campbell was the real Lacus FOR ALMOST ALL OF DESTINY! There is no explanation how/if/when the Clyne faction people found out which Lacus was the real one, it is totally left out. Also, if ZAFT has any kind of modernized banking system Lacus' purchasing of military hardware would draw a zillion red flags. Also, who in ZAFT would sell them weapons to develop IJ and the new Justice? Who in the Clyne faction would even be in the position to disobey Dullindal, steal and sell ZAFT's military secrets to Lacus? This is also never explained. Who are her spies who can access Dullindal's dubious Destiny Plan? How come nobody else could find anything about it? This is also not explained.

    A big Factory floating in space that ZAFT has no idea about? A splinter group of Morgenrate working under who to supply the AA? Top of the line military hardware being smuggled outside of two nations THAT ARE AT FREAKIN WAR PEOPLE and handed over to a popstar and her cohorts who have been slipping around in the background and never come forward with a formal statement until episode 44? TOP OF THE FUCKING LINE MILITARY HARDWARE PEOPLE! Anyone have any clue how fucking impossible it'd be for some popstar and a dethroned ORB ambassador to pay for all that?

    I DON'T WANT DEUS-EX-MACHINA BULLSHIT! I WILL NOT ACCEPT HALF ANSWERS! I WILL SHOUT AND YELL AND CRITICIZE UNTIL THINGS ARE EXPLAINED PROPERLY!

    EDIT: Oh, and to those who keep talking about Clyne faction supporters, please tell me who these people are, where they've been the entire Destiny series, how they can openly defy Dullindal (who will pay them better than Lacus) and then I'll believe that the Clyne faction isn't some BS invention of cheesiness by Fukuda.
    Ok, here are some thoughts, use ur f*****g brain. As a start, its trute that such an amount of money can draw red flags, but, who said she has only one bank account? who said she used a bank ccount?. F starters, u want to know names?, ok, REVEREND MARKIO is like a mediator between the JUNK GUILD and ZAFT, EAF, and ORB, so the JUNK GUILD can sell and do the things they do, REVEREND MARKIO is a supporter, former Charirwoman Canarvas must be other supporter, and who knows how much ppl. With Reverend Markio and former Chairwoman Canarvas would be enough.

    Another question, do u really think the CLyne Faction receive orders by TV?. The real Lacus musthave channel to contact the members, Eternal's crew obviously know her, but in war or anything INTEL is always what can give u the upper hand, if they didnt do anything was because for a start, they didnt know exactly what were Dullindal's true intention (Proof to what the Destiny Plan is starts to appear in Phase 39) u must have at least this much brain, or do u need them to explain every bit of information and plot?.

    Orb or Jona Roma wasnt supplying AA weapons, as u must have realized in Phase 42, AA wasnt in Morgaenraete, It was hided in an ISland (i could bet my life saying it was secret base only AA's Crew and close engineers working for Erica Simons knew about. In Phase 15, i think, Orb mentioned AA as an unknown, so AA wasnt officially part of ORB, it was like a secret weapon, what reason would Orb have to attack or try to stop AA if is part of their military, at that moment AA was hided in the same secret island or maybe another one. Just so u see what Orb's Representative can do.

    What top of the line military was Smuggled? maybe i missed that one. Ill be waiting for ur answer.

    Why would Lacus pruchase military hardware? SHE has a f*****g factory, where did that factory come from? It was obviously build or it was aleady built after the war 2 years ago (and moved). Reverend Markio has connections, a lot of connections with the JUNK GUILD (i hope by now u understand theeir name), getting materials and hardware they cant build would be easy, or at least highly doable. BTW, they didnt Assemble IJ and SF, they were BUILT almost from scratch (obviously they build based on Freedom and Justice).

    Who would disobey Dullindals and sell military secrets to Lacus? What did they Sell her? what military secrets? The DOM Troopers were built in Lacus' Factory (or maybe the factory belongs to some of her supporters, that isnt clear yet). IJ and SF were built, again, based on Freedom and Justice, and upgraded.

    Who r Lacus' spies who had acces to Dullindal's Destiny Plan? HAVE U BEEN WATCHING THE SHOW? Or u just had some time and put together some s**t?. DaCosta was investigating the asteroid Mendel and found the Diary wer e possibly the Destiny Plan is explained, the show still has some episodes left so wait till it ends b4 asking.

    The factory nobody knew about, as i said, could probably have been moved from its original location, after all asteroids do move, and last time i checked the Universe had a lot of space were to build a factory secretly, or maybe it could have been done the same way GENESIS was.

    Ok, i think i covered all.

    EDIT: SHIT.

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