phase 43 discussion

[Marcis]

HiMAT stands for High Mobility Aerial Tictacs errr... Tacits errr... Tactics!
It is allows Freedom, Justice, SF and IJ to track multiple targets and aim each of mobile suit weapons at one designeted target. Sort of aimbot really. Well, jokes aside - it is multitarget tracking and aiming system.
Also works when aforementioned mobile suits are docked with METEOR system. HiMAT has nothing to do with suits propulsion. Nuclear-powered Gundams are faster because you can devote more power to thrusters without worrying that you will run out of power soon. Destiny can move fast using it's WoL propulsion system, but it drains Destiny's hybrid reactor's power faster than suit's reactor can replenish it. And seems, Destiny and Leged can't use Minerva's Deyterion beam to charge suit remotely. Destiny is faster than SF in raw speed but only for a short time. Compare Destiny to cheetah - it can run very fast but for short distances. Useful only for charge-in type attacks. Once your attack misses you have to turn off ultra-speed or you will find yourself running out of energy.
It is pointless to use HiMAT mode against ONE mobile suit because system won't allow you to aim all weapons at one target - you can easily do it manually, but that will make one concentrated beam blast which Shinn will block or dodge. Only way for Shinn to kill Freedom is:

1. Gang up on SF with all 3 of Minerva's Gundams, but they should also take IJ into consideration this time it will be alot harder than first time Shinn took out Freedom.
2. Use tactics!!! Again - twice as hard now with upgraded Freedom and IJ covering SFs back...

SFs wings are just DRAGOON bits - they also have nothing to do with propulsion, they are in essence additional beam rifles (i think their power are comparable to beam rifle) which can be separated from mobile suit and controlled remotely to attack designated targets or used with HiMAT system for multi-target blast.

[alukard]

Aimbotting or sheer unmatched aiming skill? This isn't some shooter game where over 50% of players cheat.
To summarize Kira's Himat from wikipedia.org

One of these suits is the ZGMF-X10A Freedom. It is the second suit in the series, and features a 10-wing HiMAT (High Mobility Aerial Tactics) mode for superior speed and agility.

Next is the controversy over Shinn's hyper-power plant MS. Its not hybrid. Its hyper! I dont see anything hybrid about it. Even if its hybrid it because it uses batteries then i'll explain why batteries are important and why hybrid is better.

Most modern nuclear subs need to resupply and require maintenance every few years and they have massive batteries and there's little to no leg room. The difference is the hyper capacitator in Legend and Destiny. This is superior to conventional fission reactors such as ones in Freedom and Justice.

The hyper-deuterion nuclear reactor is a hybrid system created by ZAFT which combines a nuclear fission reactor with a deuterion beam system. The mechanics of this system are unknown, but hyper-deuterion reactors are more powerful and efficient than conventional fission reactors, but require a hyper capacitor battery and recharging, which effectively makes it having a shorter operation time. The hyper-deuterion reactor is currently used by the ZGMF-X42S Destiny and ZGMF-X666S Legend only. The "G.U.N.D.A.M" acronym for mobile suits with a hyper-deuterion nuclear reactor is Gunnery United Nuclear-Deuterion Advanced Maneuver.

Even Freedom requires batteries to store left over heat & electricity generated from fission energy to power its beams, its movement, beam shields. A nuclear core can power steam and turn it into direct thermal propulsion such as in nuclear subs that turn the fins of the sub but how will a nuclear sub provide long term electricity efficiently without wasting nuclear material and when its nuclear reactor has to be shut down? Through charging its batteries, a nuclear sub can allow its crew just that. Thus Freedom does have a battery to store electricity or else it will deplete its nuclear fuel extremely fast. If Freedom does not have an internal battery then it would mean it would either A) always be using its fission fuel extremely moderately and constantly monitor its output and keep it at an absolute minimum and power just its propulsion for example or B) Keep its output high and deplete itself in a fashion faster than even Destiny and results would be inconsistent with how Kira is currently using Freedom and S. Freedom.

A nuclear power plant, diesel, or fossil fuel power plant, solar, or hydro-electric all have one thing in common; they're constantly monitoring their customer load and if there is a spike in usage such as how random a MS in GSD would be then they'd have a sever system overload and have to shut everything down such as a power line down or natural disasters that causes flux in electrical output. A power plant does not require battery but its output is closely monitored on a large scale and output is simultaneous depending on the time of day and the output is constantly controlled. On a smaller scale such as a MS, heat and unspent electricity is constantly an issue, so this is just not the case and there is no excuse not to control such a reactor when you're sitting on a ton of nuclear material and your consumption varies greatly.

Shinn's Destiny is like your laptop which is so energy efficient compared to the desktops of the older generations and it will only be a matter of time before laptops become faster than desktops of similar cpu, hd, video card etc. Besides their fundamental differences such as the desktop's wattage consumption is substantially greater, a Laptop is limited in speed by its video card, hard drive, ram, technology, and cpu but otherwise its much more efficient than a desktop of the similar speed, video card, hd, ram, etc. and even its cpu use less watts than desktop cpus as advertisers on Ebay love to point that fact out and one other advantage is it can store energy on a battery and require less energy and operate in long periods of black out (3-6 hrs depending on the battery size) longer than a battery power backup for desktops which can only last a mere 30 minutes or so, long enough to shut down your desktop. Without a battery, then good luck running your desktop in black outs. This would be why Freedom would be at a disadvantage if it in fact does not use a battery and the other downside is how you would explain its energy consumption of fission material if both Destiny and Freedom uses nuclear fission cores. This is why Destiny's core is superior to Freedom's except for its hyper capacitator part which is one of its down-side.

Now If we're going to further explain science fiction of nuclear energy and assume GSD is saying nuclear fusion is already in place in that universe then still there is no explanation why nuclear fusion is inferior to nuclear fission as no one has been able to commercially utilize fusion and there is no evidence to say that fusion is any worst then fission. Our sun is explanation enough. It has been burning for 4 and a half billion years which is incomprehensible in our short life span of averaging 70-80 years.

So in summary hybrid does not neccesarily mean its worst or better; you can learn about hybrid motors' strengths and weaknesses by link below. The hyper capacitator found on Shinn's suit has its upsides and downsides. Finally, would you make a 2nd generation nuclear reactor after it's been banned and go all out to break rules, do a half arse job of utilizing it, and then make it worst then conventional nuclear reactors?

Understanding nuclear subs

[fox_t]

Originally posted by: alukard

Finally, would you make a 2nd generation nuclear reactor after it's been banned and go all out to break rules, do a half arse job of utilizing it, and then make it worst then conventional nuclear reactors?

yes...

...sequels suck...

...sophmore albums suck...

...for along time american made automobiles got worse every generation...

...also just because you are trying to innovate does not mean your end result will be better than the original design...clearly Records are better than tapes...

plus on wikipedia it says...

While Destiny and Strike Freedom seemed fairly evenly matched, Shinn was eventually ordered to retreat due to having lost several weapons and his hyper capacitor running low on energy. Whether this is a sign of the hyper-deuterion reactor being inferior to standard fission reactors or simply of Destiny having unusually high power consumption requirements is not yet known.

finally whatever the writers say is the truth...is the truth...and according to them they don`t know yet...and even after they have decided...they can always change it again.

[Marcis]

I would suggest takinging everything in wikipedia with a big grain of salt.
It is not some kind of Universal Source of All Knowledge.
There are no quality checks in wikipedia.

[fox_t]

There are quality checks on Wikipedia...It's the people of the Internet.

If you have a dispute with the information they've posted, let them know.

Generally speaking I find it to be quite reliable.

Of course it is never my only source, when I research topics; however, where else are you going to find as vast a resource for information pertaining to Gundam Seed Destiny as wikipedia.

I think they've done a fairly good job gathering information.