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self defense is a greater excuse than invasion. If people aren't skilled enough to disable enemies like kira then they have to kill them, come on I can't believe you guys are spouting off about NKP that kira has and you expect every joe somebody to have the same capacity to do so?
i'm not sure if he killed this guy or not but check out episode 28 around the 4:45 mark on the cellphone^2 subOriginally posted by: Strike Freedom
I have two things to point out. Firstly, PSJ, I disagree that Kira is the only one with the no kill policy. Athuran too is a "no kill policy" pilot. If you believe I'm wrong, just look back at the episodes and let's count the number of suits he's disabled. And yes, one may argue (and I would need to see the evidence) that he may have killed a few pilots, but I believe if that was the case it was because it was necessary (just as Kira does the same thing). But for the most part when Athuran is piloting he just disables suits the same way Kira does.
Ovan, The Rebirth
Small correction - Athrun specifically states that he joined ZAFT AFTER the Junius 7 bombing, so he's spent less than 11 months in the acadamy, assuming the theift of the GAT-X wasn't his first mission.Originally posted by: drunkenmaster
it might have been 11months from graduation to capture of GAT X. but consider the time he is at the academy training. so its actually time at academy+11 months. this is greater than shins 2 years AT MOST of military training.
@ AtHRunOwNZallOriginally posted by: AtHRunOwNZaLL
i'm not sure if he killed this guy or not but check out episode 28 around the 4:45 mark on the cellphone^2 subOriginally posted by: Strike Freedom
I have two things to point out. Firstly, PSJ, I disagree that Kira is the only one with the no kill policy. Athuran too is a "no kill policy" pilot. If you believe I'm wrong, just look back at the episodes and let's count the number of suits he's disabled. And yes, one may argue (and I would need to see the evidence) that he may have killed a few pilots, but I believe if that was the case it was because it was necessary (just as Kira does the same thing). But for the most part when Athuran is piloting he just disables suits the same way Kira does.
I saw what you were saying in this episode, but to be honest I c Athuran disabling a bunch of suits. There is an instance a little after 4:45, closer to 5:00 that it looks like he destroys that Orb suit, but then you only c the arm and wing fly off. Usually if the pilot dies they show the pilot in the MS while it is exploding. Therefore, I must conclude that he did not kill anyone in that time frame you showed me. However, this is my opinion and subject to debate. But that is just from what I have perceived. It just goes to show u that in this episode he does follow a "no kill" policy. To be honest, Kira and Athuran are too lenient as war pilots [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img]
Okey good for you then. I never tried to make all of you love Lacus and her ideals or something i just spoke what was on my mind. To answer the Shinn thing you only need to read the post you qouted.Originally posted by: heero
I still find it contradicting. Lacus and her frds are telling people how bad war is but on the other hand, she is saying she is not wrong to join the killing because she has good reasons to do so. If that is true then no one should question Shinn's actions because we all know why he is in war in the first place.Originally posted by: PSJ
It's all about how a person justifies his killing, Lacus and the Dom troopers protected ORB and saved it from being destroyed once again that's probably how Lacus justified her soldiers killing.
No one is really better than the other in Destiny, the thing is how they justify their actions. It will make diffrent people believe in diffrent factions. Blue Cosmos is strongly against gene manipulation yet the do it to kids to be able to fight ZAFT. ZAFT and Dullindal always shoots of his mouth about a peaceful world and that the logos makes profits of building war material and therefore don't want the war to end, yet he pumps out more war material than anyone else.
@Strike Freedom: It's true that Athrun also got a no kill policy but he has barely done anyhting in this show, Andy has done more piloting than him i just forgot about Athrun.
Ahtrun's wounds opened again because he was'nt fully healed and also because of G-forces introduced by mobile suit suddenly accelerating and deccelerating. You can't work your body "at full power" when you aren't healed, because wounds might open and you are in trouble.
Athrun's fighting abilities at the moment are surpressed because of his wounds. He might be grounded for episode of two.
Kiras' "no kill policy" limits his abilities against Shinn, because he as to watch out not to aim for cockpit for instance... He essentially fights with one hand tied behind his back to speak literally.
Shinn does not has this limitation and also he knows that Kira won't go for a kill. So he has no worry about that. Meh, he was really surprised when he received point-blank railgun blast. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
Shinn also goes into blind rage when fighting which is a minus. When in rage you can't think clearly, of course you press on and on like beast but you completely drop strategy. When fighting Kira you need strategy - Impulse did beat Freedom only because Shinn and Rey analyzed Kiras' tactics and came up with a plan.
Ray looked extremely displeased when he saw SF. Kira wasn't that pleased to see Legend either.
Ray did not let Luna fight because he knew Shinn has feelings for her and he promised to protect her. Recall that in her first fight in Impulse Shinn blocked stray shot at her and told Luna that she's careless.
Having Luna arround while battling Kira would put Shinn in disadvantage beause he would keep an eye on her. You just can't devote yourself to a fight with Kira while also protecting Lunamaria.
Marcis why would Luna need protection from Kira. It not likely that Kira would kill her purposly. Unlike Shinn, Kira thinks where he shoots and at who.
"Life is hilariously cruel" by Bender
Shinn does think "Where is the enemy? There he is! *shoot shoot shoot* *Anti ship sword launching attack*"
That's Shinn in a nutshell. The only other thoughts he has are about Mayu.
For all you awesome people, it's just Phoenix. The numbers are just the amount of times people misspell it.
Not from Kira, i mean there was a battle with Orb going on. Anybody could attack Luna.Originally posted by: Death13a
Marcis why would Luna need protection from Kira. It not likely that Kira would kill her purposly. Unlike Shinn, Kira thinks where he shoots and at who.
What i meant is - once Luna is out on battle Shinn would look after her. Sort of. And that would distract him from fighting Kira.
... need more murrue and mwu *goes into a seizure*
*final episode scene*
Kira: "Hurry Lunamaria, you must hit the reactor core before it fires and wipes out all life on Earth!"
Lunamaria: "Roger"
*Lunamaria fires at the huge reactor, and misses*
Lunamaria: "Oh sh--"
Destiny with WOL activated is EQUAL with SF speed
the proof is when shin use his anti ship sword, and then he open his WOL, and he ran onto SF and they just keep on striking each other on equal speed
and a pair of shoulder-mounted beam boomerangs that can also extend to become beam sabers. In addition, it has some unusual equipment: palm-mounted beam cannons, a pair of beam shield generators on its knuckles, and "Hikari no Tsubasa" ("Wings of Light") beam wings that are used as a propulsion system, enabling the Destiny to move at very high speeds. In conjunction with a form of Mirage Colloid technology, this system causes
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Also look at the episode 42 where before Shinn ran out of power from his MS's massive power consumption, and look at how Kira reacts. He basically moves one space and Shinn moves 3 spaces in circle around him. A dog chases its tail because it thinks its being surrounded by something faster than itself but it turns out its still just its tail; some of it is true when you compare their difference in speed. In a spinning disk grooved disk with many separate concentric swirls with 2 dots on the same line extending from the epicenter of the disk, its true the the outer dot rotates in the same #'s of rotation per minute as the inner disk but does that mean they're the same speed per distance traveled, miles per hr? Shinn was the outer dot and Kira was the inner dot. The galaxy might move like this too and objects that falls out of gravity pull turns into a slingshot although most objects are roaming independently as they wish. Shinn was slinging himself around Kira despite Kira MS's speeds.
Shinn is faster than his opponent by an extent at which he can joust him and all Kira could do was stand his ground. If your move is one step behind your opponent and you're always defending then you will eventually run out of pawns. In a fight the one that takes the innitiative, is better/faster player in a timed game, and makes good decision wins with alot of time left and score the most points. Its not the one that takes defend stance. Its not the one that attacks underestimating your opponent. We know that Kira is holding back from killing but does the facial expression of the beseized Kira look like he's confident and relaxed or one that faces an opponent that is faster and have a better MS and cornering him with just WOL and Mirage Colloid and a regular beam gun vs beam gun jousting game? What is Himat? It's an older generation propulsion that's the same one in the previous Freedom. It has not been improved much and you can clearly see so in episode 43 when Shinn charged at Kira with his palm mounted cannon from afar and basically closed the gap in a blink of an eye and you can see Shinn when he's in his seats and look out the window seeing only the blur of the skies. This is the difference between what you see viewing thru Kira's pilot windows (normal) vs Shinn's(blurred and MS's movement is unreal) and why WOL > SF's wings. You dont 'charge' at someone unless you know you're faster than them. An unhorsed soldier might be able to 'charge' at a mounted knight but he won't ever match his sheer overall speed and thus usually at a tactical disadvantage thus rely on other 'tricks' to stop him such as long polearms and pointed weapons to dismount him and engage on equal grounds. This is not something that Kira could do with Shinn. Himat is a physical wing and can be damaged while WOL is not. WOL is better and faster than most current MS's wings.
HiMAT stands for High Mobility Aerial Tictacs errr... Tacits errr... Tactics!
It is allows Freedom, Justice, SF and IJ to track multiple targets and aim each of mobile suit weapons at one designeted target. Sort of aimbot really. Well, jokes aside - it is multitarget tracking and aiming system.
Also works when aforementioned mobile suits are docked with METEOR system. HiMAT has nothing to do with suits propulsion. Nuclear-powered Gundams are faster because you can devote more power to thrusters without worrying that you will run out of power soon. Destiny can move fast using it's WoL propulsion system, but it drains Destiny's hybrid reactor's power faster than suit's reactor can replenish it. And seems, Destiny and Leged can't use Minerva's Deyterion beam to charge suit remotely. Destiny is faster than SF in raw speed but only for a short time. Compare Destiny to cheetah - it can run very fast but for short distances. Useful only for charge-in type attacks. Once your attack misses you have to turn off ultra-speed or you will find yourself running out of energy.
It is pointless to use HiMAT mode against ONE mobile suit because system won't allow you to aim all weapons at one target - you can easily do it manually, but that will make one concentrated beam blast which Shinn will block or dodge. Only way for Shinn to kill Freedom is:
1. Gang up on SF with all 3 of Minerva's Gundams, but they should also take IJ into consideration this time it will be alot harder than first time Shinn took out Freedom.
2. Use tactics!!! Again - twice as hard now with upgraded Freedom and IJ covering SFs back...
SFs wings are just DRAGOON bits - they also have nothing to do with propulsion, they are in essence additional beam rifles (i think their power are comparable to beam rifle) which can be separated from mobile suit and controlled remotely to attack designated targets or used with HiMAT system for multi-target blast.
Aimbotting or sheer unmatched aiming skill? This isn't some shooter game where over 50% of players cheat.
To summarize Kira's Himat from wikipedia.org
One of these suits is the ZGMF-X10A Freedom. It is the second suit in the series, and features a 10-wing HiMAT (High Mobility Aerial Tactics) mode for superior speed and agility.
Next is the controversy over Shinn's hyper-power plant MS. Its not hybrid. Its hyper! I dont see anything hybrid about it. Even if its hybrid it because it uses batteries then i'll explain why batteries are important and why hybrid is better.
Most modern nuclear subs need to resupply and require maintenance every few years and they have massive batteries and there's little to no leg room. The difference is the hyper capacitator in Legend and Destiny. This is superior to conventional fission reactors such as ones in Freedom and Justice.
The hyper-deuterion nuclear reactor is a hybrid system created by ZAFT which combines a nuclear fission reactor with a deuterion beam system. The mechanics of this system are unknown, but hyper-deuterion reactors are more powerful and efficient than conventional fission reactors, but require a hyper capacitor battery and recharging, which effectively makes it having a shorter operation time. The hyper-deuterion reactor is currently used by the ZGMF-X42S Destiny and ZGMF-X666S Legend only. The "G.U.N.D.A.M" acronym for mobile suits with a hyper-deuterion nuclear reactor is Gunnery United Nuclear-Deuterion Advanced Maneuver.
Even Freedom requires batteries to store left over heat & electricity generated from fission energy to power its beams, its movement, beam shields. A nuclear core can power steam and turn it into direct thermal propulsion such as in nuclear subs that turn the fins of the sub but how will a nuclear sub provide long term electricity efficiently without wasting nuclear material and when its nuclear reactor has to be shut down? Through charging its batteries, a nuclear sub can allow its crew just that. Thus Freedom does have a battery to store electricity or else it will deplete its nuclear fuel extremely fast. If Freedom does not have an internal battery then it would mean it would either A) always be using its fission fuel extremely moderately and constantly monitor its output and keep it at an absolute minimum and power just its propulsion for example or B) Keep its output high and deplete itself in a fashion faster than even Destiny and results would be inconsistent with how Kira is currently using Freedom and S. Freedom.
A nuclear power plant, diesel, or fossil fuel power plant, solar, or hydro-electric all have one thing in common; they're constantly monitoring their customer load and if there is a spike in usage such as how random a MS in GSD would be then they'd have a sever system overload and have to shut everything down such as a power line down or natural disasters that causes flux in electrical output. A power plant does not require battery but its output is closely monitored on a large scale and output is simultaneous depending on the time of day and the output is constantly controlled. On a smaller scale such as a MS, heat and unspent electricity is constantly an issue, so this is just not the case and there is no excuse not to control such a reactor when you're sitting on a ton of nuclear material and your consumption varies greatly.
Shinn's Destiny is like your laptop which is so energy efficient compared to the desktops of the older generations and it will only be a matter of time before laptops become faster than desktops of similar cpu, hd, video card etc. Besides their fundamental differences such as the desktop's wattage consumption is substantially greater, a Laptop is limited in speed by its video card, hard drive, ram, technology, and cpu but otherwise its much more efficient than a desktop of the similar speed, video card, hd, ram, etc. and even its cpu use less watts than desktop cpus as advertisers on Ebay love to point that fact out and one other advantage is it can store energy on a battery and require less energy and operate in long periods of black out (3-6 hrs depending on the battery size) longer than a battery power backup for desktops which can only last a mere 30 minutes or so, long enough to shut down your desktop. Without a battery, then good luck running your desktop in black outs. This would be why Freedom would be at a disadvantage if it in fact does not use a battery and the other downside is how you would explain its energy consumption of fission material if both Destiny and Freedom uses nuclear fission cores. This is why Destiny's core is superior to Freedom's except for its hyper capacitator part which is one of its down-side.
Now If we're going to further explain science fiction of nuclear energy and assume GSD is saying nuclear fusion is already in place in that universe then still there is no explanation why nuclear fusion is inferior to nuclear fission as no one has been able to commercially utilize fusion and there is no evidence to say that fusion is any worst then fission. Our sun is explanation enough. It has been burning for 4 and a half billion years which is incomprehensible in our short life span of averaging 70-80 years.
So in summary hybrid does not neccesarily mean its worst or better; you can learn about hybrid motors' strengths and weaknesses by link below. The hyper capacitator found on Shinn's suit has its upsides and downsides. Finally, would you make a 2nd generation nuclear reactor after it's been banned and go all out to break rules, do a half arse job of utilizing it, and then make it worst then conventional nuclear reactors?
Understanding nuclear subs
Jesus, that is so funny. Seriously. Someone should make a caption of that somehow.Originally posted by: XwingRob
*final episode scene*
Kira: "Hurry Lunamaria, you must hit the reactor core before it fires and wipes out all life on Earth!"
Lunamaria: "Roger"
*Lunamaria fires at the huge reactor, and misses*
Lunamaria: "Oh sh--"
I can just picture Luna's expression, and then it'd zoom in on everyone, ending with Luna saying "Oh sh--"
ROFL
why hasn't haro2 and tori2 released their subs yet?
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