phase 43 discussion

[Splash!]

maybe its just me but I definitely saw FEAR in Kira's eyes when he was fighting Rey who seemed to be more of a nuisance to Kira than Shinn. This is the first in a very long time that i have seen kira scared and it is a very refreshing change. It is making me feel that despite Fukuda's obsession with Kira, it might actually be quite possible for him to let go and kill him off in the series. That would really make for something in my opinion. Rey and Kira going down fighting. After all, my belief is that if this is indeed going to be the end of the SEED universe, might as well kill of the ultimate coordinator

[Vandermillion]

Anyone find it a little odd how Shinn smiled as he patted Lunamaria's shoulder towards after the battle? O_o; first time he isn't whining about losing or about anything. Or maybe he's reassuring her that Meyrin could/might/probably is okay. Ah, who cares, like everyone, Lacus is getting to be a pain in the backside, but I liked it how she and Kira left the room. Wished it were some other characters, even Yzak and Shino would do, a little tired of Kira and Lacus, not that I hate them, I'm just a little weary of seeing them forever and ever amen >_<;

[Strike Freedom]

Originally posted by: Vandermillion
Anyone find it a little odd how Shinn smiled as he patted Lunamaria's shoulder towards after the battle? O_o; first time he isn't whining about losing or about anything. Or maybe he's reassuring her that Meyrin could/might/probably is okay. Ah, who cares, like everyone, Lacus is getting to be a pain in the backside, but I liked it how she and Kira left the room. Wished it were some other characters, even Yzak and Shino would do, a little tired of Kira and Lacus, not that I hate them, I'm just a little weary of seeing them forever and ever amen >_<;

I did not think it was odd. I mean if you have ever been taken by complete surprise as Shinn was, it is easy to understand his reactions. Shinn was in shock after that battle with all that happened, it is more like a "I cannot believe what just happened" smile. If you want to see a similar reaction just watch the Bulls playoff game where Jordan plays when he is sick against the Jazz. Karl Malone gives a similar smile as if in disbelief.

Also, I noticed some people that have said Shinn would have shot down Kira if Athuran didn't save him. I agree, but the same can be said of Rey saving shinn when SF was going to disable Destiny (it happens after SF kicks Destiny's hand out of the way). If Rey wouldn't have interferred it is safe to say that SF would have taken off a few limbs from Destiny. If people argue otherwise, keep in mind that Destiny had its back to SF after that hit it took, so Rey saved Shinn!

On another note, it is good to see Kira and Athuran back in action. However, I wish they would get rid of their "no kill" policy.

I loved Shinn's expression after Justice took of Destiny's hand. I just find it hard to believe that Destiny was still able to protect itself from the explosion with its shield when Shinn was in such a state of shock. Usually when your in shock, you cannot move your body.

I believe Athuran is the best pilot out of the four (Kira, Shinn, Rey and Athuran). This is clearly evident in this episode as Athuran quickly damaged Destiny in SEED mode. If there are those that disagree and feel Shinn was not focused and all that good stuff, I will point out a couple of things. Shinn is very focused, as when he took down Freedom and his other enemies, he was all fired up (and even thought about Stella). He was aiming to kill Athuran, no doubts or remorse on his mind at that point. Even before, Shinn was calling Athuran a traitor, so Shinn was giving it his all in order to do what he felt was right. That is why he went through all those memories, it gives him strength to go through with what he must do. Now this has a lot to do with Athuran being the best pilot, since Athuran was under a severe handicap. He was probably around 70% healthy. The dude was not in the physical shape to battle, yet he quickly and effectively disables his opponent. This argument could develop further, but I'll leave it as this for now.

I wish Kira would have more balls and disable his enemies quicker, instead of dicking around. It seems that SF was mostly evading attacks. What the heck is he holding back for? I think he's scared of losing SF, and Lacus probably gave him a serious talk about damaging the new suit. It might still not be insured by State Farm Insurance yet [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img].

[fox_t]

Originally posted by: Strike Freedom
I wish Kira would have more balls and disable his enemies quicker, instead of dicking around. It seems that SF was mostly evading attacks. What the heck is he holding back for? I think he's scared of losing SF, and Lacus probably gave him a serious talk about damaging the new suit. It might still not be insured by State Farm Insurance yet [img][/img].

You must've missed that part of the episode...right after Athrun collapsed and Kira called for the medical team he said, "The good news...I just saved some money on my mobile suit insurance."

[heero]

Anyone noticed Lacus's Doms where killing everyone instead of going by the no killing policy? Wouldn't that make her ideals different from Kira? hmmm
Also I wouldn't say Shinn totally lost to Athrun. After all, Athrun was bleeding (I know he was injured already but he cant be bleeding for no reason so it's probably due to Shinn) and fainted a second after Shinn left. And Shinn only lost a sword... Imagine what's gonna happen if the battle kept going.

[aznimperialx]

Originally posted by: heero

Also I wouldn't say Shinn totally lost to Athrun. After all, Athrun was bleeding (I know he was injured already but he cant be bleeding for no reason so it's probably due to Shinn) and fainted a second after Shinn left. And Shinn only lost a sword... Imagine what's gonna happen if the battle kept going.

What u expect? Athrun didnt heal completely. And the battle probably caused stress and pain.

[Splash!]

Athrun was probably bleeding cause he wounds reopened. After all, there was alot of colliding into shinn during the battle so u can say there was alot of strain on Athrun's body with all those forces being exerted on him in the cockpit.
Also, Athruns being more dominant makes Kira appear less like a God which is good. Kira blocks beams coming at Athrun and Athrun does the same for Kira. Just like how Freedom and Justice are supposed to be working together. Reminds of GS. Not just kira owning everyone.

[MeroTZ]

Originally posted by: heero
Anyone noticed Lacus's Doms where killing everyone instead of going by the no killing policy? Wouldn't that make her ideals different from Kira? hmmm
Also I wouldn't say Shinn totally lost to Athrun. After all, Athrun was bleeding (I know he was injured already but he cant be bleeding for no reason so it's probably due to Shinn) and fainted a second after Shinn left. And Shinn only lost a sword... Imagine what's gonna happen if the battle kept going.

First: Lacus, Kira, and friends dont have a no killing policy. They dont like killing, so they avoid it where possible, but by no means do they refuse to do so.

Second: Athrun was fine so long as he was constantly getting adrenaline. he likely could have gone on for quite a while, though the repurcussions afterwards would have been even worse.



EDIT 2: To the guy above me, NO ONE SURVIVED A NUCLEAR EXPLOSION HIT!

[heero]

Originally posted by: MeroTZ
First: Lacus, Kira, and friends dont have a no killing policy. They dont like killing, so they avoid it where possible, but by no means do they refuse to do so.

The Dom pilots never avoided killing. In fact, they looked more like they were enjoying it. So how is that different from what everyone else were doing...for example Shinn

[PSJ]

Originally posted by: heero

Originally posted by: MeroTZ
First: Lacus, Kira, and friends dont have a no killing policy. They dont like killing, so they avoid it where possible, but by no means do they refuse to do so.

The Dom pilots never avoided killing. In fact, they looked more like they were enjoying it. So how is that different from what everyone else were doing...for example Shinn

What about it? They don't need to share Lcaus feeling towards killing. Kira is the only character who do not kill in battle, he got the skill to not kill so he does it his way. Andrew for example said himself "i'm not as good as Kira so i will have to kill you"(to the ORB murasame's).

The Dom trooper pilots are veterans and make a living out of being a soldier so it's only natural that they are calm during battle.

[heero]

Originally posted by: PSJ
What about it? They don't need to share Lcaus feeling towards killing. Kira is the only character who do not kill in battle, he got the skill to not kill so he does it his way. Andrew for example said himself "i'm not as good as Kira so i will have to kill you"(to the ORB murasame's).

The Dom trooper pilots are veterans and make a living out of being a soldier so it's only natural that they are calm during battle.

Well the Dom troopers are just following Lacus's orders. That's what Im trying to say. I just dont see what she is doing is any different from Zaft. If Lacus believes the same thing as Kira and Athrun "war only leads to more war" then her Doms shouldnt be down there killing everything in their path which is exactly the same thing Shinn does. And then Athrun shows up telling Shinn to stop all this madness WHILE Lacus's soldiers are down in orb killing...hmmmm

[PSJ]

Originally posted by: heero

Originally posted by: PSJ
What about it? They don't need to share Lcaus feeling towards killing. Kira is the only character who do not kill in battle, he got the skill to not kill so he does it his way. Andrew for example said himself "i'm not as good as Kira so i will have to kill you"(to the ORB murasame's).

The Dom trooper pilots are veterans and make a living out of being a soldier so it's only natural that they are calm during battle.

Well the Dom troopers are just following Lacus's orders. That's what Im trying to say. I just dont see what she is doing is any different from Zaft. If Lacus believes the same thing as Kira and Athrun "war only leads to more war" then her Doms shouldnt be down there killing everything in their path which is exactly the same thing Shinn does. And then Athrun shows up telling Shinn to stop all this madness WHILE Lacus's soldiers are down in orb killing...hmmmm

It's all about how a person justifies his killing, Lacus and the Dom troopers protected ORB and saved it from being destroyed once again that's probably how Lacus justified her soldiers killing.

No one is really better than the other in Destiny, the thing is how they justify their actions. It will make diffrent people believe in diffrent factions. Blue Cosmos is strongly against gene manipulation yet the do it to kids to be able to fight ZAFT. ZAFT and Dullindal always shoots of his mouth about a peaceful world and that the logos makes profits of building war material and therefore don't want the war to end, yet he pumps out more war material than anyone else.

@Splash: If i could understand what you wrote i might have answered. Use proper english and don't come with the "i write fast" argument, we all write fast.

[Splash!]

@PSJ didn andy say that when he was trying to protect cagalli, he meant cagalli would have to get off the battlefield since he couldnt protect her as well anymore, not being as good as kira rite ???

[Wizard054]

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[Strike Freedom]

Originally posted by: PSJ

What about it? They don't need to share Lcaus feeling towards killing. Kira is the only character who do not kill in battle, he got the skill to not kill so he does it his way. Andrew for example said himself "i'm not as good as Kira so i will have to kill you"(to the ORB murasame's).

I have two things to point out. Firstly, PSJ, I disagree that Kira is the only one with the no kill policy. Athuran too is a "no kill policy" pilot. If you believe I'm wrong, just look back at the episodes and let's count the number of suits he's disabled. And yes, one may argue (and I would need to see the evidence) that he may have killed a few pilots, but I believe if that was the case it was because it was necessary (just as Kira does the same thing). But for the most part when Athuran is piloting he just disables suits the same way Kira does.

Secondly, I have read on different forums that Shinn actually caused Athuran some damage (in order to defend that Shinn was not completely owned) and that is the reason why Athuran was bleeding afterwards. I believe that statement is completely FALSE and WRONG. Destiny/Shinn did not damage IJ, their attacks were deflected and evaded by IJ. The only logical reason for Athuran to be bleeding is that he reopened his wounds. How and when are the questions. Well, go to the part where Destiny is going to shoot SF, and what does Athuran do? IJ comes down at an incredible speed and there is a tremendous impact between Destiny and IJ. Now people, let's think about this with some sound reasoning. Let us first consider IJ is coming down at an incredible speed. Now, think of a car accident and the speed at impact, thus the force at which a person is experiencing (yes now we're getting into physics). Destiny and IJ impacted at a great speed without AIR BAGS or MS INSURANCE ( [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] ), sorry just had to throw that lame joke in. This is the most logical explanation as to why Athuran was bleeding (in my opinion). Look back at the episode and you'll c that both pilots are cringing/in pain/ or whatever after impact. So for those who say Shinn did some damage of his own, please do not distort what you see.

[Splash!]

@PSJ what i wanted to say was i dont quite remember andy saying to the murasames that he would have to kill them since he was not as good as kira. He did however tell cagalli that he was not good enough to protect for a long period of time so she would have to get off the battlefield.

@Strike Freedom : My thoughts exactly on why Athrun was bleeding

[AtHRunOwNZaLL]

Originally posted by: Strike Freedom


I have two things to point out. Firstly, PSJ, I disagree that Kira is the only one with the no kill policy. Athuran too is a "no kill policy" pilot. If you believe I'm wrong, just look back at the episodes and let's count the number of suits he's disabled. And yes, one may argue (and I would need to see the evidence) that he may have killed a few pilots, but I believe if that was the case it was because it was necessary (just as Kira does the same thing). But for the most part when Athuran is piloting he just disables suits the same way Kira does.

i'm not sure if he killed this guy or not but check out episode 28 around the 4:45 mark on the cellphone^2 sub