phase 43 discussion

[Gangrel]

I would love to see a plot where Lacus is the evil pink bitch who tries to take everything to her side (take over earth and PLANT) and Dullindal isn't a bad guy after all, its just the good guys (aka Kira, Athrun and others) were twisted by her speech and in the end they realize they got fuckd. Of course that I don't believe they would actually make such a thing, but that's too bad, at least that way I wouldn't hate her so much cause of her dumb face.

Note: On this plot she actually hired those coordinators to kill her so she could twist the reality about the other Lacus and Dulindal, and force Kira to become a warrior that answer all her orders.

[Fading_eternity]

Just my opinion. I think everyone, or most of you are missing the point to Gundam Seed and Gundam Seed Destiny. Sure there are many plot device characters. Sure there are many things that are hard to believe and many things that are disappointing and rewarding. But the bottom line is that Fukada is creating a story about the tragedy of war. Everyone who hates or loves Shinn, Lacus, Kira, etc. should recognize what each character stands for. Not only in the series but also in a more tangible way. What message is Fukada trying to project with such archetypal characters?

Many people (including myself at one point, Ill admit) hate Shinn because well for one, hes suddenly on par with these legendary pilots who have way more experience than him. Other reasons being, he whines, cries, has tantrums, etc. I think the more important analysis of his character however is that Shinn is the epitome of innocence lost in war. For ever young man or woman whose thrown in a battlefield with original intent to protect; when a loved one or someone important to them dies, they become a monster or in some way shape or form they do things that greatly deviate from what their original goals may have been. Its the same for Asuran as well and even Kira.

Cagilis father was right when he said violence only breeds more violence. Shinn is trapped in a nest of confusion and anger, which is quite realistic in my opinion. Even though, in entertainment land, wed like to see a different shade of a main character, I think Fukada does an excellent job in portraying a character who embodies the true horror and regret of war in a very personal way, i.e. the very heart of a human being whose desire for peace is derailed and mutated by both internal forces of grief and loss and external forces of political machines and agenda pushers.

I could go on with other character but I get the feeling you all understand my point. As far as Gill is concerned, I think his agenda is quite direct and not altogether evil. Think about it. Hes trying to create a world where one mans desire does not exceed the next. Where man cannot destroy man because of the value of his abilities. Instead of striving to outdo each other, instead everyone applies themselves to the roles they are best suited, (i.e. Asuran and Shinn, as warriors, Lacus as a political symbol, etc.) Also the world united in a cause to destroy those who oppose the new world order of peace. Maybe Im wrong but this all sounds a heck of a lot like communism to me.

Sure not everyone agrees with it, and denying people the FREEDOM and JUSTICE of managing their own lives in favor of falling in line with a given DESTINY may seem unfavorable when you think about it. After all, we all want liberty and freedom with the justice that regulates it. But at the same time, some people call for more preset rules for every individual. For some people who are not fully sure of what path to take on their own, following the path laid out by others is always more preferable I think.

Anyway, I think Gill is trying in his own way to nurture a suffering world that cannot support itself through the natural freedom it is given. Kleuze pretty much laid it out for him when they had the flashback of their conversation.

Im digressing. But my main point is, its fun to have discussions about whats cool and whats not and all that. But I dont think its fair to say Fukada is a horrible writer when all youre focusing on is surface polish and eye candy. Look deeper into the message hes projecting and just maybe& youll find that this Destiny arc may even be a tad bit better than the Seed arc& I think so, anyway.

Again, this is all my opinion and though I normally dont comment in message boards anymore, I just wanted to put that out in the open. Thanks for listening. J

[Aramis]

Shinn was pretty freaked out in this episode. In addition to Freedom, Athrun also comes...he must be like "OMFG! Why does everyone I kill come back to life! DO I really suck that bad? Does this mean Meyrin is alive too?" In his viewpoint things are totally crazy right now.
And LOL@Cagalli's announcement. Meer magically takes over. Then Lacus teleports behind Cagalli from the AA and restores the channel at the same time. BIG WTF.

[shurik]

What's the name of the music played during fight Kira vs Shinn & Rey?