phase 43 discussion

[Motteh]

in the episode where Shinn took down the Gouf he goes into SEED mode after making his decision
well actually more during the making of the decision
to summarize it it went something like this: "long monologue from Athrun to Shinn" "Shinn doubts" "Athrun talks more" "Rey puts his foot between the door and interveines" "Shinn's forced to make a choice" "Athrun and Rey clash while they both are talking to Shinn" "Shinn makes his decision, goes SEED and takes down the Gouf"
and then afterwards he has some serious regret as can be seen
so stop making it sound like Shinn goes into SEED mode just to "escape" decisions, because that's how you make it sound

also the Shinn/Kira comparison about going SEED with the intent to kill, do you remember Kira from before the "final battle" with Athrun? when they were in Strike and Aegis? Kira went SEED with the intent to kill in that battle, and in battles before that he did as well

[drunkenmaster]

Originally posted by: Motteh
in the episode where Shinn took down the Gouf he goes into SEED mode after making his decision
well actually more during the making of the decision
to summarize it it went something like this: "long monologue from Athrun to Shinn" "Shinn doubts" "Athrun talks more" "Rey puts his foot between the door and interveines" "Shinn's forced to make a choice" "Athrun and Rey clash while they both are talking to Shinn" "Shinn makes his decision, goes SEED and takes down the Gouf"
and then afterwards he has some serious regret as can be seen
so stop making it sound like Shinn goes into SEED mode just to "escape" decisions, because that's how you make it sound

also the Shinn/Kira comparison about going SEED with the intent to kill, do you remember Kira from before the "final battle" with Athrun? when they were in Strike and Aegis? Kira went SEED with the intent to kill in that battle, and in battles before that he did as well

shin goes seed not to escape descisons, because he has a hard time making them.
ok this is the other version. athurn monlauge, shin think, then kira and rey are duking it out. athurn wont let shin pass, rey intervenes again.. then he makes descision to go seed and take him down.
IM arguing for this... SHIN WAS NOT IMPEDED BY ANYTHING AT THE FINAL SHOWDOWN WIH ATHURN BECAUSE HE 1MADE HIS DESISCION OR 2 HE DOESNT CARE ANYMORE: CHOOSE ONE DOESNT MATTER(the seed one) athurn legitamently raped his ass in the 1 second seed fight

why is my edit button mesed up..... sorry for double post again....

[Motteh]

Originally posted by: drunkenmaster
shin goes seed not to escape descisons, because he has a hard time making them.
ok this is the other version. athurn monlauge, shin think, then kira and rey are duking it out. athurn wont let shin pass, rey intervenes again.. then he makes descision to go seed and take him down.
IM arguing for this... SHIN WAS NOT IMPEDED BY ANYTHING AT THE FINAL SHOWDOWN WIH ATHURN BECAUSE HE 1MADE HIS DESISCION OR 2 HE DOESNT CARE ANYMORE: CHOOSE ONE DOESNT MATTER(the seed one) athurn legitamently raped his ass in the 1 second seed fight

to support my statement about Shinn being able to make decisions i referred to the fight between Athrun, Shinn and Rey, where clearly he's tossed to and fro between Rey and Athrun and finally makes a decision and then goes SEED, but as far as i'm concerned this "discussion" is over, since each side is convinced they're right and thus will not listen to 1 another

@Deblas: i know that i just brought it up as argument against drunken's "kira never goes seed to kill" statement
it was in no way a response to what you said because i was typing it before you finished posting

[drunkenmaster]

i never said kira never go seed to kill. i said ive seen kira go seed not to kill many times but not shin.. quote where i said KIRA NEVER GOES SEED TO KILL. or something that means that. i never said that kira NEVER went seed to kill. i only said i have seen him go seed not to kill and he can go seed not to kill if he wants to unlike shin..

[Deblas]

Originally posted by: Motteh
also the Shinn/Kira comparison about going SEED with the intent to kill, do you remember Kira from before the "final battle" with Athrun? when they were in Strike and Aegis? Kira went SEED with the intent to kill in that battle, and in battles before that he did as well

Back then Kira couldn't control his Seed like now. Its the same with Shinn. He triggers his Seed with anger and emotion making him go beserk like Kira used to. Its just a matter of time until he learns how to control it too.

[drunkenmaster]

Originally posted by: Deblas

Originally posted by: Motteh
also the Shinn/Kira comparison about going SEED with the intent to kill, do you remember Kira from before the "final battle" with Athrun? when they were in Strike and Aegis? Kira went SEED with the intent to kill in that battle, and in battles before that he did as well

Back then Kira couldn't control his Seed like now. Its the same with Shinn. He triggers his Seed with anger and emotion making him go beserk like Kira used to. Its just a matter of time until he learns how to control it too.

i totally agree, shin will learn. im not arguing about why he goes seed, when he goes seed, why hes weird. i just want to make the point that athurn legitamently owned shin in the seed "fight" wasnt really a fight i guess more like a 1 second action. people keep saying shin is emotionally hurt or distracted and it wasnt fair. the fact is. 1 if he made his descision to attack athurn, that means he is not distracted anymore, he made his descision and decided to go in and fight, he is only DISTRACTED BEFore he chooses to attack not when he already chooses. OR he plain goes crazy and athurns speech at that time is no good. EITHER WAY NO IMPEDEDMENTS at that specific seed fight. non seed fight between athurn and shin, yes SHIN WAS DISTACTED. but none of them hurt eachother anywaz.. and as i said if kira=shin and neither did damage. but athurn chopped off an arm. it has to mean SUMTHING!

[Deblas]

Originally posted by: drunkenmaster
i totally agree, shin will learn. im not arguing about why he goes seed, when he goes seed, why hes weird. i just want to make the point that athurn legitamently owned shin in the seed "fight" wasnt really a fight i guess more like a 1 second action. people keep saying shin is emotionally hurt or distracted and it wasnt fair. the fact is. 1 if he made his descision to attack athurn, that means he is not distracted anymore, he made his descision and decided to go in and fight, he is only DISTRACTED BEFore he chooses to attack not when he already chooses. OR he plain goes crazy and athurns speech at that time is no good. EITHER WAY NO IMPEDEDMENTS at that specific seed fight. non seed fight between athurn and shin, yes SHIN WAS DISTACTED. but none of them hurt eachother anywaz.. and as i said if kira=shin and neither did damage. but athurn chopped off an arm. it has to mean SUMTHING!

You are right but also being beserk actually leaves you more vulnerable. When you are enraged you stop thinking straight. You charge forward not thinking about your actions and the only thing in your mind is that you want that person dead and gone.

[drunkenmaster]

wow ive never seen it come down to this... now that shin got legit owned by athurn ur arguing berzerker seed is bad so athurn had the advantage.... also thank u. u said the only thing in ur mind is that u want the person gone. that means shin wasnt impeded when he went seed cuz he just wanted to kill athurn. he wasnt impeded by athurn's speech at that specific point. athurn legit ownage. both of them were aimed for eachother and athurn owned him. at that point athurn;s speech was obsolete because as u said shins mind wasnt on it. ok look athurn finnaly does sumthing after being weird throught the entire series. he beat kira which i supported, and he beat athurn, which i didnt like but i never said omg UNFAIR (even tho it was unfair) now this is a fair seed fight and now shin fanboys are going crazy.

[Deblas]

None of them had the advantage. Shinn wasn't focused and Athrun was badly hurt. IMO, Athrun was able to cut offs Destiny arms cause he was emotionally sane.

[drunkenmaster]

Originally posted by: Deblas
None of them had the advantage. Shinn wasn't focused and Athrun was badly hurt. IMO, Athrun was able to cut offs Destiny arms cause he was emotionally sane.

is the ability to control ur emotions not one of a piolts greatest skills? is using one of your skills cheating? athurn legitamently and fairly beat shin. if u think the fight was unfair, i dont know what u are talking about. also since freedom didnt cut of destiny's arm or cut of any parts i guess kira wasnt emotionally sane either.... based on ur interpretation

[Mae]

Wow, lots of who won the battle arguments.... Although it was kind of nice to see the 2 versus 2 gundam fight I don't think you can say anyone "won" because the battle was called off. ZAFT decided to retreat and ORB decided not to pursue. Both good decisions because once Djibril made his escape it was all kind of pointless, and both sides were taking rather heavy losses. I'd call the whole thing a draw.

The end was a kind of "finally" moment. I can see Lacus wanting to live her own life and not have to always act as some kind of public symbol, but enough is enough. I suppose now that they have ORB's resources behind them they can interupt a broadcast if they want. ORB always did have good tech. Dulandil's latest intelligence had Lacus hiding out in space, so I get why he's surprised, but what will he do now?

[SFreedomZGMFx20a]

Originally posted by: Deblas

Originally posted by: Motteh
also the Shinn/Kira comparison about going SEED with the intent to kill, do you remember Kira from before the "final battle" with Athrun? when they were in Strike and Aegis? Kira went SEED with the intent to kill in that battle, and in battles before that he did as well

Back then Kira couldn't control his Seed like now. Its the same with Shinn. He triggers his Seed with anger and emotion making him go beserk like Kira used to. Its just a matter of time until he learns how to control it too.

It didnt took that long for Kira to control his SEED, plus he always was doing it to protect his friend, i only saw Shinn do that the first time he went SEED, kinda. U saw him attacking defenseless, againt Impulse, enemies that were escaping, thats why Athrun Slapped him.

For some reason i alway forget to write this but i think Haine had some kind of Issue bacause of two phrases he used in his last battle:

"This Unit is different froma Gouf"

(When Freedom was going for him)
"Dont look down on me"

Plus the fact that he wanted to be called just HAINE not commander

Think about it (Subject closed)

Or something like that