hmm good point. never noticed that actually.
hmm good point. never noticed that actually.
yah that is a new song and its a damn good one too!
OMG WHATS WRONG WITH MY EDIT BUTTON!!!!! once again i apologize for my crazy doubleposting [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]
It didnt took that long for Kira to control his SEED, plus he always was doing it to protect his friend, i only saw Shinn do that the first time he went SEED, kinda. U saw him attacking defenseless, againt Impulse, enemies that were escaping, thats why Athrun Slapped him.Originally posted by: Deblas
Back then Kira couldn't control his Seed like now. Its the same with Shinn. He triggers his Seed with anger and emotion making him go beserk like Kira used to. Its just a matter of time until he learns how to control it too.Originally posted by: Motteh
also the Shinn/Kira comparison about going SEED with the intent to kill, do you remember Kira from before the "final battle" with Athrun? when they were in Strike and Aegis? Kira went SEED with the intent to kill in that battle, and in battles before that he did as well
For some reason i alway forget to write this but i think Haine had some kind of Issue bacause of two phrases he used in his last battle:
"This Unit is different froma Gouf"
(When Freedom was going for him)
"Dont look down on me"
Plus the fact that he wanted to be called just HAINE not commander
Think about it (Subject closed)
Or something like that
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But have you taken in account that the two persons that he thought he killed just came back? And after Athruns speech he again was in his confused state.[/quote]Originally posted by: SFreedomZGMFx20a
If Shinn being emotionally unstable is a disadvantage in battle, i think u r wrong, because that has been Shinn personality all along, so thats Shinn. That counts when he is emotionally stable then in a fight for some reason he isnt.
FUK: Double posted
That passed once he went SEED and right after that he lost one of Destinys arms(this is Athruns coming back to life).
(Kira coming back to life) Passed in the last Phase.
Once SHinn goes SEED in anger he is back to his "NORMAL SELF".
about the confused state shin thing. please read my other posts. it explains why the emotional state is not an issue at that point. in seed mode, he has 2 options. either 1 he made a desction that he must kill athurn so he doesnt care about what athurn said because he decided to kill him obviously. or he goes back into his raging monkey seed mode and this emotional speech crap means nothing to him. therefore, athurn's speech was not a variable in the SEED fight. read other posts for more detailed explanation ( i think it was like 2 pages back lamo [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]Originally posted by: Deblas
Like I said. None of them had the advantage. One was emotionally hurt and one was physically hurt.Originally posted by: SFreedomZGMFx20a
EDIT: BTW @deblas, Shinn did have the advantage taking into consideration Athruns shape. And Shinn was "FOCUSED", he went SEED (with a lot of anger, like always).Originally posted by: Deblas
Thats the thing. He didn't beat Shinn. He just cut of his arm. Neither of them finished each other off. Yeah. You have to give props to Athrun for cutting it off but none of them ended up dead or severely damaged.Originally posted by: drunkenmaster
is the ability to control ur emotions not one of a piolts greatest skills? is using one of your skills cheating? athurn legitamently and fairly beat shin. if u think the fight was unfair, i dont know what u are talking about.Originally posted by: Deblas
None of them had the advantage. Shinn wasn't focused and Athrun was badly hurt. IMO, Athrun was able to cut offs Destiny arms cause he was emotionally sane.
And that song that played on the preview. Its new isn't it?
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But have you taken in account that the two persons that he thought he killed just came back with brand new mobile suits? The persons that he actually acknowledge as a threat and enemy and that they must be destroyed? And after Athruns speech he again was in his confused state.Originally posted by: SFreedomZGMFx20a
If Shinn being emotionally unstable is a disadvantage in battle, i think u r wrong, because that has been Shinn personality all along, so thats Shinn. That counts when he is emotionally stable then in a fight for some reason he isnt.
Well I guess all of this is given that we all have a point. We should mail Fukuda and ask him. And now that were on it. Lets send him a deadly disease to go with our questions.
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hmm lets put sum anthax in there!
Good idea, but lets wait till GSD and the OVA (I hope) is finished and aired. Does anyone knows where to get ANTRAX? If u do, u got like three months to get it and mail it.Originally posted by: Deblas
Well I guess all of this is given that we all have a point. We should mail Fukuda and ask him. And now that were on it. Lets send him a deadly disease to go with our questions.
Shinn lovers have always loved him emotionally unstable, if now they start saying he was at a disadvantage because of that, then they r just trying to justify why he lost.
EDIT: FUK, drunkenmaster beat me to the punch.
Well don't get me wrong, I hate Shinn. Just giving possibilities of why the battle went that way. And I'm not a Kira fanboy either. But S-F is an extremely sweet MS.
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The FBI is watching you o.oOriginally posted by: drunkenmaster
hmm lets put sum anthax in there!
SyriaOriginally posted by: SFreedomZGMFx20a
Does anyone knows where to get ANTRAX? If u do, u got like three months to get it and mail it.
EDIT: FUK, drunkenmaster beat me to the punch.
I just want to second this comment. I've always hated Shinn, and thus people dump me into the Kira camp, but I'm not a Kira fan either. I'm a fan of Freedom/SF though. Kira just happens to be the pilot of them.Originally posted by: Deblas
Well don't get me wrong, I hate Shinn. And I'm not a Kira fanboy either. But S-F is an extremely sweet MS.
Im a KIra-fan, i really like his character, And SF its an amazing MS, IJustice is a little cooler tho.Originally posted by: Curium
SyriaOriginally posted by: SFreedomZGMFx20a
Does anyone knows where to get ANTRAX? If u do, u got like three months to get it and mail it.
EDIT: FUK, drunkenmaster beat me to the punch.
I just want to second this comment. I've always hated Shinn, and thus people dump me into the Kira camp, but I'm not a Kira fan either. I'm a fan of Freedom/SF though. Kira just happens to be the pilot of them.Originally posted by: Deblas
Well don't get me wrong, I hate Shinn. And I'm not a Kira fanboy either. But S-F is an extremely sweet MS.
Shinn lovers have always loved him emotionally unstable, if now they start saying he was at a disadvantage because of that, then they r just trying to justify why he lost.
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Good point. Shinn didnt lost focus. He wasnt hesitating at all when he lost to Athrun.
I dont see why people are clapping their hands when Shinn stabbed Kira in the back while he's retreating and then stabbed Athrun in the back (both not literally but he was chasing fleeing combatants who would have let him flee if the situation was reversed), but are making excuses when Shinn was owned and saying Shinn only received a scratch when its clear that the intentions of Athrun was that he wanted to only disable Shinn and was the one who was distracted because he was hurt by Shinn (both physically and emotionally earlier.) Athrun was running for his own life and Shinn didnt give him a benefit of a doubt as his former superior. Athrun even at one point thought he lost a former friend because of Shinn, and took it well unlike Shinn who lost his cool over a pretty face (i dont blame that though because its a stronger bond than friends and Shinn lost that), but thought he himself alone had to carry the weight of seeking the truth about the chairman and what he intends to do with Orb. Athrun was distracted with having to look after Kira, Ray, AND Shinn and being referee and was interrupted with his speak by a teleporting Destiny and a miraged silhouette of death's blade in his face and facing immenent doom.
What was Shinn distracted by? Was he hurt? What a poor kid, he's hurt by words of a half-bleeding, half-dead corpse's ineffective babbler draining the last of his blood and air supply to his brains to speak out and protect both sides for reality of why they're at war? No, Shinn was focused, focused on cutting Athrun while he's being referee and while Athrun was the one distracted and still have friends on both Zaft and Orb. While Kira was occupied with Ray, Shinn had only one target and went S.E.E.D to do one and only one thing, which is to kill a 'traitor' once and for all. Im not even sure why Fukuda had to make that scene with Shinn and Luna Maria at the end. Did Shinn change at all after confronting a corpse he tried to murder and buried and failed or is he still the brat that he is, self-righteous and c*cky?
Hi all I'm new to posting around here, but I've been lurking for a while ^_^
My guess is that Fukuda decided since Legend is essentially Providence, Kira saw the resembelence he was like "fuk now i hav 2 work hard ftw, providence wud have pwnd me if I wasn't god in teh last series"Originally posted by: Gangrel
Well, seems like they forgot about Seed mode on Kira, because he couldn't win a fight against Rey that sure is weak compared to anyone else in Seed mode. Or maybe the all mighty Kira don't actually have the skills after all uh? Don't come with the it was 2x1 conversation, cause Athrun was handling Shinn.
hehe, no I don't hate Kira, but it's the only "excues" I can think that would be even remotely valid as to why Kira didn't beat Rey like he did Savior.
*watches ep. again* Milly's popular... [19:12]
Welcome to the forums.Originally posted by: mako
Hi all I'm new to posting around here, but I've been lurking for a while ^_^
My guess is that Fukuda decided since Legend is essentially Providence, Kira saw the resembelence he was like "fuk now i hav 2 work hard ftw, providence wud have pwnd me if I wasn't god in teh last series"Originally posted by: Gangrel
Well, seems like they forgot about Seed mode on Kira, because he couldn't win a fight against Rey that sure is weak compared to anyone else in Seed mode. Or maybe the all mighty Kira don't actually have the skills after all uh? Don't come with the it was 2x1 conversation, cause Athrun was handling Shinn.
hehe, no I don't hate Kira, but it's the only "excues" I can think that would be even remotely valid as to why Kira didn't beat Rey like he did Savior.
The simple reason to why Kira didn't shoot down Legend is that they need to kill someone important off in the last episode, and since Fukuda lacks the balls to kill any main character he's saving Rey for that job.
Also I'm quite sure that Shinn will end up fighting him.
U r right in most of what u said.Originally posted by: alukard
Shinn lovers have always loved him emotionally unstable, if now they start saying he was at a disadvantage because of that, then they r just trying to justify why he lost.
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Good point. Shinn didnt lost focus. He wasnt hesitating at all when he lost to Athrun.
I dont see why people are clapping their hands when Shinn stabbed Kira in the back while he's retreating and then stabbed Athrun in the back (both not literally but he was chasing fleeing combatants who would have let him flee if the situation was reversed), but are making excuses when Shinn was owned and saying Shinn only received a scratch when its clear that the intentions of Athrun was that he wanted to only disable Shinn and was the one who was distracted because he was hurt by Shinn (both physically and emotionally earlier.) Athrun was running for his own life and Shinn didnt give him a benefit of a doubt as his former superior. Athrun even at one point thought he lost a former friend because of Shinn, and took it well unlike Shinn who lost his cool over a pretty face (i dont blame that though because its a stronger bond than friends and Shinn lost that), but thought he himself alone had to carry the weight of seeking the truth about the chairman and what he intends to do with Orb. Athrun was distracted with having to look after Kira, Ray, AND Shinn and being referee and was interrupted with his speak by a teleporting Destiny and a miraged silhouette of death's blade in his face and facing immenent doom.
What was Shinn distracted by? Was he hurt? What a poor kid, he's hurt by words of a half-bleeding, half-dead corpse's ineffective babbler draining the last of his blood and air supply to his brains to speak out and protect both sides for reality of why they're at war? No, Shinn was focused, focused on cutting Athrun while he's being referee and while Athrun was the one distracted and still have friends on both Zaft and Orb. While Kira was occupied with Ray, Shinn had only one target and went S.E.E.D to do one and only one thing, which is to kill a 'traitor' once and for all. Im not even sure why Fukuda had to make that scene with Shinn and Luna Maria at the end. Did Shinn change at all after confronting a corpse he tried to murder and buried and failed or is he still the brat that he is, self-righteous and c*cky?
1.- But Shinn did have a motive to take down Athrun, after all he was defecting ZAFT, but what he did was wrong because he didnt let Meyring get oof the GOUF, thats was wrong of him.
2.- True, Athrun did have control of himself, not like Shinn, U should check the FUNNIES thread there r some parodies and ONE is very likely to occur (or could have been true) it is about Athrun THREE-TIMING while on MINERVA.
3.- Shinn was confused and vulnurable. BUT just when Athrun appeared, but AThrun didnt attack, so it doesnt matter even if Shinn were blind in that moment, why would it matter if the enemy isnt attacking but talking. When he returned to his usual self (not the SEED one, that comes after) HE attacked Athrun, so Athrun attacked back. After that both of them battle.
4.- Shinn and Lunamaria have a relationship? because i dont notice it. I wonder why the hell Shinn didnt told Lunamaria Athrun was alive. If Athrun was alive, then possibly Lunamaria's cute little sister is too, but ehy he didnt tell her?
There is something wrong with Shinn, he really needs to talk with someone, he needs professional help. I could recommend him DR. LEAD if he doesnt want help.
Well, 1 other thing as well. Rey was acctually trying too fight. When Kira took out Saviour Athrun was just talking.Originally posted by: mako
hehe, no I don't hate Kira, but it's the only "excues" I can think that would be even remotely valid as to why Kira didn't beat Rey like he did Savior.
I dont really know why Kira didnt beat Rey, but i think its because Athrun was on the Battlefield while injured. Kira has showed in a lot of ocassions that he worries for his friends, like when Minerva was chasing after AA and Kira was battling Shinn. Shinn and Rey arent so worried about MInerva, otherwise Shinn would had tried to stop the Skygrasper, but i can bet he didnt even knew it happened. He didnt even noticed how depleted his power was in Phase 42, and the Screen was pretty easy to notice. Shinn is a Hot-head who forgets whats around him.Originally posted by: Curium
Well, 1 other thing as well. Rey was acctually trying too fight. When Kira took out Saviour Athrun was just talking.Originally posted by: mako
hehe, no I don't hate Kira, but it's the only "excues" I can think that would be even remotely valid as to why Kira didn't beat Rey like he did Savior.
Kira could had killed him easy if he had used the CHEST-BEAM, instead he used the canons (or whatever they are) in Phase 42.
TAKE IT BACk.Originally posted by: Terracosmo
No, Meer IS hot!
Edit: Oh you meant Lacus? Nah, she better burn in hell and get raped nonstop by tentacles formed as tridents.
Mmmmm.... paaaaain ^_^
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