yes it is over but i would just like to add that the slow cannon would not even get close to hitting athurn. also athurn would prolly take off that arm just as fast lol
yes it is over but i would just like to add that the slow cannon would not even get close to hitting athurn. also athurn would prolly take off that arm just as fast lol
I'll put it this way, to make it easier to understand.Originally posted by: drunkenmaster
err athurn isnt a regular dude that just got promoted. first of all, shin was also a "regular dude" in the begging as was athun. then athurn had a lot of military training....(see him in first gundam seed where he obviously saw his combat skills and his marksmanship with the gun) he is then promoted to special forces because of his obvious skill and his hard work in his training. u start off by saying shin is a top ace gun/elite piolt like he was born that way how is that realistic. if u argue that shin had training too, then u concede to my argument of athurn reciving just as much of not more training. bacially, shin and athrun started out the same way and trained in similar ways, athurn just has a good attitude, which is why he is better. i dont understand why athurn's skills arent as realistic as shins when they grew up under zaft and trained under zaft, athurn seems more godly because he is older and more expirenced and has a better combat personality (although shins raging monkey can be quite formidable). kira yes ill admit his skills are sorta not realistic even tho he is the ultiment coordinator.
- Shortly after Junis 7 is hit by an atomic weapon, Athrun applies to Zaft and graduates with his friends, Ysak Deakka and Nicoll. Who are then assigned to Kruuze Squad. Some amount of time passes and Kruuze squad is ordered to take part in capturing the GAT-X series. (this all happens over a period of about 11 months.)
- When Athrun captures Aegis, Kira gets into Strike; At this point, Kira is a fist-time pilot, but still manages to take out two Ginns and hold off Athrun who is much more experienced. The two fight throught the war and eventually, Athrun supposedly kills Kira and is promoted to the 'Special Forces' (whatever that is) and is given a better suit. Kira is given Freedom and the two decide to work together instead of fighting. During a fight over Onogoro island Shinn's family is killed in an explosion, and he goes off to PLANT to apply in ZAFT, though we don't know exactly when he does this. (This takes place over about 3-5 months or so, as far as I can tell.)
- Two years later, Athrun has spent his time walking around with Cagalli and Kira has been shacked up with Lacus. While Shinn has not only applied for ZAFT, but as his FIRST assignment, he is given the most top-secret suit in all of ZAFT and is assigned to the Minerva which has been built soley around supporting Impulse. Shinn is a recognised top-gun though people are surprised the good mannered Rey is not assigned for the suit, because Shinn is a jack-arse. Athrun is then assigned to the minerva after he re-enlists in ZAFT, and is instantly promoted to Faith as part of a poplitical move by Dillundal, though we're not sure why yet - but he promotes Talia Gladis as well, to prevent Athrun from commanding the ship to go wherever he sees fit.
- Minerva goes thorugh a lot of problems, and only special dispensation by Dillundal himself stops Shinn from being court martialed. Shinn is later trained by Rey on a stratagy against freedom, and wins by taking advantage of Kira's unwillingness to kill anyone. (It was acctually ingenious really - Shinn backs Kira into a corner where he has to kill or be killed, then charges in and assaults Freedom directly, without needing to protect himself, because Kira won't kill him. The only problem is, they didn't know where Freedom's Cockpit was - which seems weird since Freedom was built by ZAFT in the first place. ANYWAY.)
- Shinn is later given a better suit, one of two top-of-the-line models, the other is intended for Athrun, though he runs off before he gets to pilot it, so it is given to Rey instead. Shinn and Rey are promoted to Faith because they distingush themselves in the assault against EAF's atlantic fortress.
As you can See, Athrun had experiece but not as much as Shinn when he was promoted to the status of god-pilot. Kira had none, but he was promoted anyway - where as Shinn (who is still not as good as Athrun OR Kira, mind you) had a rediculous ton of training and experience to fall back on. Shinn isn't a bad pilot, just a hothead.
What about it? They don't need to share Lcaus feeling towards killing. Kira is the only character who do not kill in battle, he got the skill to not kill so he does it his way. Andrew for example said himself "i'm not as good as Kira so i will have to kill you"(to the ORB murasame's).Originally posted by: heero
The Dom pilots never avoided killing. In fact, they looked more like they were enjoying it. So how is that different from what everyone else were doing...for example ShinnOriginally posted by: MeroTZ
First: Lacus, Kira, and friends dont have a no killing policy. They dont like killing, so they avoid it where possible, but by no means do they refuse to do so.
The Dom trooper pilots are veterans and make a living out of being a soldier so it's only natural that they are calm during battle.
it might have been 11months from graduation to capture of GAT X. but consider the time he is at the academy training. so its actually time at academy+11 months. this is greater than shins 2 years AT MOST of military training. also, athurn has been in many many more battles. eEVEN if shin was at the academy longer(which he probably wasnt) athurn still has much more real life combat expierence which greatly outweighs academy training. remember shins first time in a suit with REAL COMBAT was when he launched at the begging of seed. so shins real life skills are like not much. athurn had real life expirence way before considering he was in all of seed and as long in destiny. as i say, you can read a book about playing basket ball for 20 years, but until you actually play for real, you will suck.even if shin had more expiecene before being commited to a god piolt, that is because the standard goes up considering athurn was the last god piolt. also, even IF shin was promoted to god piolt with more expierence (which he wasnt) the reason why we are arguing isnt who got god piolt faster, it was whos skills as of now as more realistic. getting promoted to god piolt doesnt imporve your skills, it just is a representation of ur skills. if athurn didnt get promoted to top ace, he still would be just as good as he is now. the promotion part means nothing.
Well the Dom troopers are just following Lacus's orders. That's what Im trying to say. I just dont see what she is doing is any different from Zaft. If Lacus believes the same thing as Kira and Athrun "war only leads to more war" then her Doms shouldnt be down there killing everything in their path which is exactly the same thing Shinn does. And then Athrun shows up telling Shinn to stop all this madness WHILE Lacus's soldiers are down in orb killing...hmmmmOriginally posted by: PSJ
What about it? They don't need to share Lcaus feeling towards killing. Kira is the only character who do not kill in battle, he got the skill to not kill so he does it his way. Andrew for example said himself "i'm not as good as Kira so i will have to kill you"(to the ORB murasame's).
The Dom trooper pilots are veterans and make a living out of being a soldier so it's only natural that they are calm during battle.
Yeah, I was under the impression that the DOM troopers were more like mercenaries who liked the Clyne Faction.
I think they actually support the late chairman, Mr. Clyne. Of course, if they support him, they support her. Or rather, they were rebels, who were adopted by Lacus, I mean, she's crazy!
Yeah. Mr. Clyne = Lacus = Clyne Faction.Originally posted by: romancing_xaga
I think they actually support the late chairman, Mr. Clyne. Of course, if they support him, they support her. Or rather, they were rebels, who were adopted by Lacus, I mean, she's crazy!
@PSJ didn andy say that when he was trying to protect cagalli, he meant cagalli would have to get off the battlefield since he couldnt protect her as well anymore, not being as good as kira rite ???
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Just FYI, that isn't completely accurate. He fought some in Destiny Astray when he was on a training mission in Impulse with the test pilots for Gaia, Abyss, and Chaos. Since those 3 were allies it is obviously before they were stolenin GSD ep 1. However, I don't know exactly how long before that was.Originally posted by: drunkenmaster
remember shins first time in a suit with REAL COMBAT was when he launched at the begging of seed. so shins real life skills are like not much.
thanks for the report
It's all about how a person justifies his killing, Lacus and the Dom troopers protected ORB and saved it from being destroyed once again that's probably how Lacus justified her soldiers killing.Originally posted by: heero
Well the Dom troopers are just following Lacus's orders. That's what Im trying to say. I just dont see what she is doing is any different from Zaft. If Lacus believes the same thing as Kira and Athrun "war only leads to more war" then her Doms shouldnt be down there killing everything in their path which is exactly the same thing Shinn does. And then Athrun shows up telling Shinn to stop all this madness WHILE Lacus's soldiers are down in orb killing...hmmmmOriginally posted by: PSJ
What about it? They don't need to share Lcaus feeling towards killing. Kira is the only character who do not kill in battle, he got the skill to not kill so he does it his way. Andrew for example said himself "i'm not as good as Kira so i will have to kill you"(to the ORB murasame's).
The Dom trooper pilots are veterans and make a living out of being a soldier so it's only natural that they are calm during battle.
No one is really better than the other in Destiny, the thing is how they justify their actions. It will make diffrent people believe in diffrent factions. Blue Cosmos is strongly against gene manipulation yet the do it to kids to be able to fight ZAFT. ZAFT and Dullindal always shoots of his mouth about a peaceful world and that the logos makes profits of building war material and therefore don't want the war to end, yet he pumps out more war material than anyone else.
@Splash: If i could understand what you wrote i might have answered. Use proper english and don't come with the "i write fast" argument, we all write fast.
I think Zaft will lose many soldiers now when lucus is back
just watched seed's sub .. Phase 43 by SEED
XD...kinda disappointed when destiny's hand was cut off ...
looking forward to the next episode again... ^_^V
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I have two things to point out. Firstly, PSJ, I disagree that Kira is the only one with the no kill policy. Athuran too is a "no kill policy" pilot. If you believe I'm wrong, just look back at the episodes and let's count the number of suits he's disabled. And yes, one may argue (and I would need to see the evidence) that he may have killed a few pilots, but I believe if that was the case it was because it was necessary (just as Kira does the same thing). But for the most part when Athuran is piloting he just disables suits the same way Kira does.Originally posted by: PSJ
What about it? They don't need to share Lcaus feeling towards killing. Kira is the only character who do not kill in battle, he got the skill to not kill so he does it his way. Andrew for example said himself "i'm not as good as Kira so i will have to kill you"(to the ORB murasame's).
Secondly, I have read on different forums that Shinn actually caused Athuran some damage (in order to defend that Shinn was not completely owned) and that is the reason why Athuran was bleeding afterwards. I believe that statement is completely FALSE and WRONG. Destiny/Shinn did not damage IJ, their attacks were deflected and evaded by IJ. The only logical reason for Athuran to be bleeding is that he reopened his wounds. How and when are the questions. Well, go to the part where Destiny is going to shoot SF, and what does Athuran do? IJ comes down at an incredible speed and there is a tremendous impact between Destiny and IJ. Now people, let's think about this with some sound reasoning. Let us first consider IJ is coming down at an incredible speed. Now, think of a car accident and the speed at impact, thus the force at which a person is experiencing (yes now we're getting into physics). Destiny and IJ impacted at a great speed without AIR BAGS or MS INSURANCE ( [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] ), sorry just had to throw that lame joke in. This is the most logical explanation as to why Athuran was bleeding (in my opinion). Look back at the episode and you'll c that both pilots are cringing/in pain/ or whatever after impact. So for those who say Shinn did some damage of his own, please do not distort what you see.
@PSJ what i wanted to say was i dont quite remember andy saying to the murasames that he would have to kill them since he was not as good as kira. He did however tell cagalli that he was not good enough to protect for a long period of time so she would have to get off the battlefield.
@Strike Freedom : My thoughts exactly on why Athrun was bleeding
He said it really to himself but i remember him saying that he wasn't as good as Kira so he had to kill.
PSJ is right about that, Andy didn't say that to anyone in specific and he certainly had no com line open to "enemy" suits [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] but he did claim that because he's not as good as Kira he has to destroy/kill the suits in order to protect the ArchAngel/Cagalli
also about Athrun bleeding, ever had a small cut somewhere on the palm of your hand? ever had to grab something when it was healing? the stress the body is experiencing by certain actions causes weakpoints to give away,
and seriously flying at such speeds and coming to such abrups stops puts some serious pressure on the body, hence not more then logical that Athrun's healing wounds were torn open again
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I still find it contradicting. Lacus and her frds are telling people how bad war is but on the other hand, she is saying she is not wrong to join the killing because she has good reasons to do so. If that is true then no one should question Shinn's actions because we all know why he is in war in the first place.Originally posted by: PSJ
It's all about how a person justifies his killing, Lacus and the Dom troopers protected ORB and saved it from being destroyed once again that's probably how Lacus justified her soldiers killing.
No one is really better than the other in Destiny, the thing is how they justify their actions. It will make diffrent people believe in diffrent factions. Blue Cosmos is strongly against gene manipulation yet the do it to kids to be able to fight ZAFT. ZAFT and Dullindal always shoots of his mouth about a peaceful world and that the logos makes profits of building war material and therefore don't want the war to end, yet he pumps out more war material than anyone else.
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