Lacus sucks. All of you are delusional (or paralyzed by her new black uniform thingy).
@splash: I think the fear came from the fact that Legend reminded him of Providence (or rather, Rau). I liked that part very much as well. It's good to see that Kira has at least fragments of a personality left underneath the "God mode plot device fuck off because I suck" exterior.
Anyone find it a little odd how Shinn smiled as he patted Lunamaria's shoulder towards after the battle? O_o; first time he isn't whining about losing or about anything. Or maybe he's reassuring her that Meyrin could/might/probably is okay. Ah, who cares, like everyone, Lacus is getting to be a pain in the backside, but I liked it how she and Kira left the room. Wished it were some other characters, even Yzak and Shino would do, a little tired of Kira and Lacus, not that I hate them, I'm just a little weary of seeing them forever and ever amen >_<;
I did not think it was odd. I mean if you have ever been taken by complete surprise as Shinn was, it is easy to understand his reactions. Shinn was in shock after that battle with all that happened, it is more like a "I cannot believe what just happened" smile. If you want to see a similar reaction just watch the Bulls playoff game where Jordan plays when he is sick against the Jazz. Karl Malone gives a similar smile as if in disbelief.Originally posted by: Vandermillion
Anyone find it a little odd how Shinn smiled as he patted Lunamaria's shoulder towards after the battle? O_o; first time he isn't whining about losing or about anything. Or maybe he's reassuring her that Meyrin could/might/probably is okay. Ah, who cares, like everyone, Lacus is getting to be a pain in the backside, but I liked it how she and Kira left the room. Wished it were some other characters, even Yzak and Shino would do, a little tired of Kira and Lacus, not that I hate them, I'm just a little weary of seeing them forever and ever amen >_<;
Also, I noticed some people that have said Shinn would have shot down Kira if Athuran didn't save him. I agree, but the same can be said of Rey saving shinn when SF was going to disable Destiny (it happens after SF kicks Destiny's hand out of the way). If Rey wouldn't have interferred it is safe to say that SF would have taken off a few limbs from Destiny. If people argue otherwise, keep in mind that Destiny had its back to SF after that hit it took, so Rey saved Shinn!
On another note, it is good to see Kira and Athuran back in action. However, I wish they would get rid of their "no kill" policy.
I loved Shinn's expression after Justice took of Destiny's hand. I just find it hard to believe that Destiny was still able to protect itself from the explosion with its shield when Shinn was in such a state of shock. Usually when your in shock, you cannot move your body.
I believe Athuran is the best pilot out of the four (Kira, Shinn, Rey and Athuran). This is clearly evident in this episode as Athuran quickly damaged Destiny in SEED mode. If there are those that disagree and feel Shinn was not focused and all that good stuff, I will point out a couple of things. Shinn is very focused, as when he took down Freedom and his other enemies, he was all fired up (and even thought about Stella). He was aiming to kill Athuran, no doubts or remorse on his mind at that point. Even before, Shinn was calling Athuran a traitor, so Shinn was giving it his all in order to do what he felt was right. That is why he went through all those memories, it gives him strength to go through with what he must do. Now this has a lot to do with Athuran being the best pilot, since Athuran was under a severe handicap. He was probably around 70% healthy. The dude was not in the physical shape to battle, yet he quickly and effectively disables his opponent. This argument could develop further, but I'll leave it as this for now.
I wish Kira would have more balls and disable his enemies quicker, instead of dicking around. It seems that SF was mostly evading attacks. What the heck is he holding back for? I think he's scared of losing SF, and Lacus probably gave him a serious talk about damaging the new suit. It might still not be insured by State Farm Insurance yet [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img].
You must've missed that part of the episode...right after Athrun collapsed and Kira called for the medical team he said, "The good news...I just saved some money on my mobile suit insurance."Originally posted by: Strike Freedom
I wish Kira would have more balls and disable his enemies quicker, instead of dicking around. It seems that SF was mostly evading attacks. What the heck is he holding back for? I think he's scared of losing SF, and Lacus probably gave him a serious talk about damaging the new suit. It might still not be insured by State Farm Insurance yet [img][/img].
Anyone noticed Lacus's Doms where killing everyone instead of going by the no killing policy? Wouldn't that make her ideals different from Kira? hmmm
Also I wouldn't say Shinn totally lost to Athrun. After all, Athrun was bleeding (I know he was injured already but he cant be bleeding for no reason so it's probably due to Shinn) and fainted a second after Shinn left. And Shinn only lost a sword... Imagine what's gonna happen if the battle kept going.
What u expect? Athrun didnt heal completely. And the battle probably caused stress and pain.Originally posted by: heero
Also I wouldn't say Shinn totally lost to Athrun. After all, Athrun was bleeding (I know he was injured already but he cant be bleeding for no reason so it's probably due to Shinn) and fainted a second after Shinn left. And Shinn only lost a sword... Imagine what's gonna happen if the battle kept going.
Athrun was probably bleeding cause he wounds reopened. After all, there was alot of colliding into shinn during the battle so u can say there was alot of strain on Athrun's body with all those forces being exerted on him in the cockpit.
Also, Athruns being more dominant makes Kira appear less like a God which is good. Kira blocks beams coming at Athrun and Athrun does the same for Kira. Just like how Freedom and Justice are supposed to be working together. Reminds of GS. Not just kira owning everyone.
Athrun did have alot of ownage in this episode, despite being still really fucked up from taking Destiny's sword.
Kira, however, is in perfect shape after surviving a near nuclear reactor explosion from an even closer cockpit hit...
I like how Rey is constantly trying to protect Shinn and trying to figure a way to defeat Kira once and for all.
Oh, and as for Lacus' DOM Troopers killing their enemies, THEY ARE ENTITLED TO FIGHT HOWEVER THEY WANT. Firstly, since they're in ZAFT suits, I'm shocked none of their ORB 'allies' didn't shoot them in the back in the confusion of the battle... I'm glad to see someone on Lacus' side still fights like they do, even if its totally unexplained WHY they're on Lacus' side and HOW unsaddened I'll be when they die and its supposed to be tragic and sad, instead of a real Lacus' faction member going down.
Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
First: Lacus, Kira, and friends dont have a no killing policy. They dont like killing, so they avoid it where possible, but by no means do they refuse to do so.Originally posted by: heero
Anyone noticed Lacus's Doms where killing everyone instead of going by the no killing policy? Wouldn't that make her ideals different from Kira? hmmm
Also I wouldn't say Shinn totally lost to Athrun. After all, Athrun was bleeding (I know he was injured already but he cant be bleeding for no reason so it's probably due to Shinn) and fainted a second after Shinn left. And Shinn only lost a sword... Imagine what's gonna happen if the battle kept going.
Second: Athrun was fine so long as he was constantly getting adrenaline. he likely could have gone on for quite a while, though the repurcussions afterwards would have been even worse.
EDIT 2: To the guy above me, NO ONE SURVIVED A NUCLEAR EXPLOSION HIT!
I always thought that he was manipulating him like Gil to do their bidding. It seems he has a grudge against Kira so instead of him going out and trying to kill him, he uses Shinn.Originally posted by: masamuneehs
Kira, however, is in perfect shape after surviving a near nuclear reactor explosion from an even closer cockpit hit...
I like how Rey is constantly trying to protect Shinn and trying to figure a way to defeat Kira once and for all
If you're talking about the first fight against Freedom and Impulse at the last moment he shut down his N Jammer canceller. Thats how he survived.Originally posted by: masamuneehs
Kira, however, is in perfect shape after surviving a near nuclear reactor explosion from an even closer cockpit hit...
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LoL i cant believe when arthrun yelled out "STOP IT" shin actually stop pressing the button, which he had pushed halfway down. usually when people are shocked they will press the button ,
lol yea maybe shin has a little bit of control when it comes to shooting. or maybe he rocongized athurn's voice and naturally obeyed his superior's orders ;p
although technically Athrun's isn't his superior anymore [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]Originally posted by: drunkenmaster
lol yea maybe shin has a little bit of control when it comes to shooting. or maybe he rocongized athurn's voice and naturally obeyed his superior's orders ;p
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Think about this... it would be the equivalent of hearing a ghost. Maybe instead of reacting shocked an hitting the button, he's like a deer in headlights for a minute?
The Dom pilots never avoided killing. In fact, they looked more like they were enjoying it. So how is that different from what everyone else were doing...for example ShinnOriginally posted by: MeroTZ
First: Lacus, Kira, and friends dont have a no killing policy. They dont like killing, so they avoid it where possible, but by no means do they refuse to do so.
Too many posts to quote form, so I'll just post points.
- Shinn isn't 'suddenly' anything. He's a top gun/elite pilot with a bad attitude (which is why people treated him bad). Where as Athrun was a regular pilot chosen for a special mission, later promoted to the 'special forces' and Kira had no experience what-so-ever. If anything, Shinn has the most realistic skills of all the god-characters.
- Kira is the only member of the Clyne faction that has a no-kill policy. The Clyne faction doesn't seem to have any beliefs outside of stopping the fighting. It seems that all Lacus ever tells people, is to consider why they do what they do, and if they don't know or lose faith in their reasons, you're not in the right place.
- How can people say they are tired of Lacus' speeches? She's made a total of 5 in all of SEED history.
- Terra, get off whatever it is that makes you an inerrant Ysak fanboy. Lacus is a great character, so is Kira and Shinn and every other character in the whole series (with the exception of Milly, she makes no sense aside form looking like a Frey Clone.)
I'm starting to get confused by this whole storyline lol... Basically Athrun is telling Shinn to stop attacking because war only leads to more war WHILE his allies aka Lacus's Doms are down in orb killing everything in its path...
err athurn isnt a regular dude that just got promoted. first of all, shin was also a "regular dude" in the begging as was athun. then athurn had a lot of military training....(see him in first gundam seed where he obviously saw his combat skills and his marksmanship with the gun) he is then promoted to special forces because of his obvious skill and his hard work in his training. u start off by saying shin is a top ace gun/elite piolt like he was born that way.... how is that realistic. if u argue that shin had training too, then u concede to my argument of athurn reciving just as much of not more training. bacially, shin and athrun started out the same way and trained in similar ways, athurn just has a good attitude, which is why he is better. i dont understand why athurn's skills arent as realistic as shins when they grew up under zaft (yes shin is from orb but he gew up his military life under zaft) and trained under zaft, athurn seems more godly because he is older and more expirenced (fought more battles and since he was born in zaft and his father was like the big daddy he was trained heavily)and has a better combat personality (although shins raging monkey can be quite formidable). kira yes ill admit his skills are sorta not realistic even tho he is the ultiment coordinator.
He cut of Destiny's right arm... That just disabled his most powerful weapon (Ship sword) and makes it quite hard to attack/defend at the same time.Originally posted by: Deblas
Thats the thing. He didn't beat Shinn. He just cut of his arm. Neither of them finished each other off. Yeah. You have to give props to Athrun for cutting it off but none of them ended up dead or severely damaged. You win by immobilizing the unit or killing the pilot. He didn't do either.Originally posted by: drunkenmaster
is the ability to control ur emotions not one of a piolts greatest skills? is using one of your skills cheating? athurn legitamently and fairly beat shin. if u think the fight was unfair, i dont know what u are talking about.Originally posted by: Deblas
None of them had the advantage. Shinn wasn't focused and Athrun was badly hurt. IMO, Athrun was able to cut offs Destiny arms cause he was emotionally sane.
What damage did Justice suffer to take off Destiny's arm? Apparently none.
Had the fight continued between Shinn and Athran, Shinn would have lost quite easily at that point. He's not in impulse anymore where he can quickly replace the parts that get destroyed.
He also had that cannon which he uses with his other hand. But lets not get into that again. The discussion I had with drunkenmaster is long gone.
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