phase 43 discussion

[PSJ]

Shinn does think "Where is the enemy? There he is! *shoot shoot shoot* *Anti ship sword launching attack*"

[Phoenix20578]

That's Shinn in a nutshell. The only other thoughts he has are about Mayu.

[Miro69]

... need more murrue and mwu *goes into a seizure*

[XwingRob]

*final episode scene*

Kira: "Hurry Lunamaria, you must hit the reactor core before it fires and wipes out all life on Earth!"
Lunamaria: "Roger"

*Lunamaria fires at the huge reactor, and misses*

Lunamaria: "Oh sh--"

[Millenium-Boyz]

Destiny with WOL activated is EQUAL with SF speed
the proof is when shin use his anti ship sword, and then he open his WOL, and he ran onto SF and they just keep on striking each other on equal speed

[alukard]

and a pair of shoulder-mounted beam boomerangs that can also extend to become beam sabers. In addition, it has some unusual equipment: palm-mounted beam cannons, a pair of beam shield generators on its knuckles, and "Hikari no Tsubasa" ("Wings of Light") beam wings that are used as a propulsion system, enabling the Destiny to move at very high speeds. In conjunction with a form of Mirage Colloid technology, this system causes

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Also look at the episode 42 where before Shinn ran out of power from his MS's massive power consumption, and look at how Kira reacts. He basically moves one space and Shinn moves 3 spaces in circle around him. A dog chases its tail because it thinks its being surrounded by something faster than itself but it turns out its still just its tail; some of it is true when you compare their difference in speed. In a spinning disk grooved disk with many separate concentric swirls with 2 dots on the same line extending from the epicenter of the disk, its true the the outer dot rotates in the same #'s of rotation per minute as the inner disk but does that mean they're the same speed per distance traveled, miles per hr? Shinn was the outer dot and Kira was the inner dot. The galaxy might move like this too and objects that falls out of gravity pull turns into a slingshot although most objects are roaming independently as they wish. Shinn was slinging himself around Kira despite Kira MS's speeds.

Shinn is faster than his opponent by an extent at which he can joust him and all Kira could do was stand his ground. If your move is one step behind your opponent and you're always defending then you will eventually run out of pawns. In a fight the one that takes the innitiative, is better/faster player in a timed game, and makes good decision wins with alot of time left and score the most points. Its not the one that takes defend stance. Its not the one that attacks underestimating your opponent. We know that Kira is holding back from killing but does the facial expression of the beseized Kira look like he's confident and relaxed or one that faces an opponent that is faster and have a better MS and cornering him with just WOL and Mirage Colloid and a regular beam gun vs beam gun jousting game? What is Himat? It's an older generation propulsion that's the same one in the previous Freedom. It has not been improved much and you can clearly see so in episode 43 when Shinn charged at Kira with his palm mounted cannon from afar and basically closed the gap in a blink of an eye and you can see Shinn when he's in his seats and look out the window seeing only the blur of the skies. This is the difference between what you see viewing thru Kira's pilot windows (normal) vs Shinn's(blurred and MS's movement is unreal) and why WOL > SF's wings. You dont 'charge' at someone unless you know you're faster than them. An unhorsed soldier might be able to 'charge' at a mounted knight but he won't ever match his sheer overall speed and thus usually at a tactical disadvantage thus rely on other 'tricks' to stop him such as long polearms and pointed weapons to dismount him and engage on equal grounds. This is not something that Kira could do with Shinn. Himat is a physical wing and can be damaged while WOL is not. WOL is better and faster than most current MS's wings.

[Marcis]

HiMAT stands for High Mobility Aerial Tictacs errr... Tacits errr... Tactics!
It is allows Freedom, Justice, SF and IJ to track multiple targets and aim each of mobile suit weapons at one designeted target. Sort of aimbot really. Well, jokes aside - it is multitarget tracking and aiming system.
Also works when aforementioned mobile suits are docked with METEOR system. HiMAT has nothing to do with suits propulsion. Nuclear-powered Gundams are faster because you can devote more power to thrusters without worrying that you will run out of power soon. Destiny can move fast using it's WoL propulsion system, but it drains Destiny's hybrid reactor's power faster than suit's reactor can replenish it. And seems, Destiny and Leged can't use Minerva's Deyterion beam to charge suit remotely. Destiny is faster than SF in raw speed but only for a short time. Compare Destiny to cheetah - it can run very fast but for short distances. Useful only for charge-in type attacks. Once your attack misses you have to turn off ultra-speed or you will find yourself running out of energy.
It is pointless to use HiMAT mode against ONE mobile suit because system won't allow you to aim all weapons at one target - you can easily do it manually, but that will make one concentrated beam blast which Shinn will block or dodge. Only way for Shinn to kill Freedom is:

1. Gang up on SF with all 3 of Minerva's Gundams, but they should also take IJ into consideration this time it will be alot harder than first time Shinn took out Freedom.
2. Use tactics!!! Again - twice as hard now with upgraded Freedom and IJ covering SFs back...

SFs wings are just DRAGOON bits - they also have nothing to do with propulsion, they are in essence additional beam rifles (i think their power are comparable to beam rifle) which can be separated from mobile suit and controlled remotely to attack designated targets or used with HiMAT system for multi-target blast.

[Terracosmo]

Originally posted by: XwingRob
*final episode scene*

Kira: "Hurry Lunamaria, you must hit the reactor core before it fires and wipes out all life on Earth!"
Lunamaria: "Roger"

*Lunamaria fires at the huge reactor, and misses*

Lunamaria: "Oh sh--"

Jesus, that is so funny. Seriously. Someone should make a caption of that somehow.
I can just picture Luna's expression, and then it'd zoom in on everyone, ending with Luna saying "Oh sh--"

ROFL

[john_doe_107]

why hasn't haro2 and tori2 released their subs yet?

[Psyke]

[XwingRob]

Originally posted by: Psyke

YESSS!!!

[Phoenix20578]

Originally posted by: XwingRob

Originally posted by: Psyke

YESSS!!!

ROFLMAO!

And I used to like Luna to. Now she's just sad.

[Terracosmo]

ROTFLMAO

*rightclick save*

[masamuneehs]

What I can't understand is why they didn't send out Lunamaria with a long-range rifle or larger beam cannon? She always used to use the big heavy cannon, now they give her the standard dueling shield and smaller rifle? (And ORB sends no long range units either...)

I also tend to trust Wikepedia. Answers.com is decent too. Then again, trusting ANYTHING, Internet, written, spoken word 100% is idiocy.

[Curium]

Originally posted by: masamuneehs
What I can't understand is why they didn't send out Lunamaria with a long-range rifle or larger beam cannon? She always used to use the big heavy cannon, now they give her the standard dueling shield and smaller rifle? (And ORB sends no long range units either...)

I also tend to trust Wikepedia. Answers.com is decent too. Then again, trusting ANYTHING, Internet, written, spoken word 100% is idiocy.

Well, as for Orb, they sent the units they had. It was either Murasames or Astrays. Akatsuki was damaged and had probably already been taken somewhere for repairs so it wouldn't be able to launch quickly, and SF and IJ were busy playing with Legend and Destiny. Of course I don't think IJ could have gone anyways considering Athrun's condition.

Though now that I think about it, Akatsuki's backpack is supposed to be detachable so maybe they could have sent that by remote.

[XwingRob]

Well one other thing I didn't understand was the Murusames... don't they have air to air missiles... but ah... whatever.

[Curium]

I doubt there are ANY missiles that are fast enough to catch a shuttle in mid launch once it is up to speed. They would have just wasted the missles. With Earth's gravity, take-off speed has to be high.

[Marcis]

Originally posted by: Curium
I doubt there are ANY missiles that are fast enough to catch a shuttle in mid launch once it is up to speed. They would have just wasted the missles. With Earth's gravity, take-off speed has to be high.

For low Earth orbit escape velocity should be at least 7.9km/sec
For Earth-Moon transit (where Djibril is heading) you have to achieve 11.2km/sec in order to escape Earth's gravity well. Of course shuttle could accelerate to 11.2km/sec after achieving low-Earth orbit.

[Roko]

The Murusames' speed dissapointed me though. You would think it's more aerodynamic than a gundam with arms and legs stickin out. Aye, I know that Impulse may have more power, but still...

[john_doe_107]

wikipedia is maintained by people who know just as much as we do..so we really shouldn't take their words for black and white