Phase 42 discussion

[Juced]

Originally posted by: NeoBear

Originally posted by: Juced
btw. only Cagalli could f**k up a perfectly good mobile suit like that. I thought the girl could pilot, but that was an dissapointment.

um if she had beat shinn are you saying that would have been ok? i mean id like to think all of us watching over the world would have jioned togeather in a colective shout of "BULLSHIT" if she won there was no way she was gonna win, i was shocked she even steped up to face him to tell ya the truth, and in any case i thought she did pretty well, like hommie said some randome goff didnt come along and take her out it took shinn, if shinn was the only one who could kick my ass id be feeling pretty good =p. at least she wasnt yelling out stupid shit about about beams being deflected or about why wont this person die ect ect ....

what I I meant was that she could put a little more effort in it. She blocks his beam weapons 2 times. But she can't even dodge a beam boomerang, she loses her limbs to fast. A bit more of a fight would have been nice. ANd yes ORB basicly doesn't have an change against such overwhelming numbers, but it also took the EAF 2 or more attacks, so would should they make it easy on ZAFT?

[telemari]

well with Kira, Athrun, and DOMs I don't think they are going to lose this time.

[SorC]

Originally posted by: blightian
i believe that shinn will never defect.
judging from the current situation, he'll be with dullinal until the series ends. i doubt kira and athrun will be persuasive enuff to bring him over. shinn hates kira to the core and judging by his character, he will never defect unless someone dies... like lunamaria...

I reckon Rey killing Luna and then trying to pass her off as an enemy would make Shinn defect. Fortunately Rey isn't that stupid [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img].

[alukard]

Why all this newtype discussion?

It seems pretty clear to me that SEED "newtypes" are empaths, people capable of sensing the emotions of others. No mind reading, now precognition, just emotions.

For example, Kira knew Cagali was crying. He could sense her emotional state.

Dont get me wrong, with enough experience at reading emotions, it could have incredibly valid combat application. You feel a sudden increase in aggresion? Theres a warning that your opponent is about to attack.

As far as recognizing others at a distance... well, I'm sure thats not too hard to do based on emotions.
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Based upon how Shinn isnt an empath but a big freakin alarm blared on his mic anyone can tell that it doesnt take a new-type to sense when and where danger lurks. SF is a new mobile suit, has different signature reading or whatever on the radar than freedom, unless its just a rebuilt freedom with more small guns albeit D.R.A.G.O.O.N guns, has not been registered as an enemy combatant (except for freedom), and even Shinn admits that "freedom? didnt i put a meter hole through it?"

Kira didnt sense Cagalli crying. The lines were open between Kira and Cagalli so he heard everything Cagalli was saying and Cagalli was crying as Kira told Athrun that she was having a difficult day before Kira sent Athrun back home via his cockpit and half of a steering wheel to think about what he said and did after Athrun decided to go back to Zaft and Cagalli running back to Orb to handle matters on her own.

New-type isnt an advantage even if it means sensing your enemy's emotion. Was it new-type that told Kira to shrug off Stellar as he faced imminent death as both Heine and Stellar were aiming for the back-side of the occupied Kira? No need to read your enemy's emotions when they're charging at you and looking at you straight in the eye looking dumb-founded and next thing you know you're sliced in two. Yeah im sure the New-type was telling him to pretend that he didnt sense those two and then let Heine took the hits while he finishes Stellar next. Read your own minds and tell me what Kira was thinking when he sensed Stellar was going to kill Heine and Kira and get two with one bird? Passive aggression? Let others do the work so your hands dont get dirty?

What kept Kira alive was his fighting instincts not New-type. Its the first time we've seen his New-type ability and even if it wasnt then frankly it does absolutely nothing besides woos the audience with its animations because New-types in GS and GSD have no distinct abilities besides spotting other New-types. None whatsoever.

[redemption2]

Is there some type of trouble with HaroTori? They still haven't released episode 42 yet, and they're over about a day or two. Anyone know if something's wrong?

[Mashux7]

I hope there wasnt a problem when they were working on it and you can chek on this website http://www.harotori.org/?p=index for the release

[drunkenmaster]

i read on thsi thread(i think sumwhere after that crazy post that was super long) sumwhere that athrun didnt win against kira in their seed mode crazy battle. i think athrun won. 1st of all, pure skill wise, the only reason athrun couldnt kill kira is because of his power limit. if they both had unlimted energy, athurn would win because when he grabbed on he woulda blasted kira hell. also, after the self destruct, kira was saved by lacus. he was on the ground when they found him im betting sumhow alive. athrun got away on his own and then recived help from cagali after he escaped(jetpack axn), kira on the otherhand, didnt escape. athrun also sustained less damage considering he was able to get out of be with just a broken arm. thats just my opinion. now if u see winning as whoevers mobile suit gets destroyed, then yes it was a tie. even tho agies technically destroyed strike [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

[Curium]

Originally posted by: drunkenmaster
i read on thsi thread(i think sumwhere after that crazy post that was super long) sumwhere that athrun didnt win against kira in their seed mode crazy battle. i think athrun won. 1st of all, pure skill wise, the only reason athrun couldnt kill kira is because of his power limit. if they both had unlimted energy, athurn would win because when he grabbed on he woulda blasted kira hell. also, after the self destruct, kira was saved by lacus. he was on the ground when they found him im betting sumhow alive. athrun got away on his own and then recived help from cagali after he escaped(jetpack axn), kira on the otherhand, didnt escape. athrun also sustained less damage considering he was able to get out of be with just a broken arm. thats just my opinion. now if u see winning as whoevers mobile suit gets destroyed, then yes it was a tie. even tho agies technically destroyed strike [img][/img]

That was me. They were pretty much even in that battle. Its just that Aegis had a unique ability. If it hadn't been able to clamp on, Kira could have avoided it. If there was a winner it was Aegis over Strike, not Athrun over Kira. Also the comment about Aegis destroying Strike, it can't count as a win if it destroys itself (it was acctually in worse condition then Strike) to do it.

As for how they each survived, Kira was rescued by Junk Guild Tech Lowe Gear and taken to the blind priest guy who took him to PLANT. Athrun may have been escaping, but he didn't get far enough away. If the Orb party hadn't shown up there was at least a 50% chance he would have died.

[Curium]

There seems to be an error with the EDIT button, I did try to avoid double posting, especially since I'm just trying to clarify my previous post.

For the first part I wanted to add the sentance "I personally consider it a tie, but if I had to attribute victory to someone, it would be which ever scientist designed Aegis' transformation ability."

In the second part I wanted to add "and he got caught in the blast" to the end of the second sentance.

[drunkenmaster]

i see ur point. agies was a better gundam. but i still think if a winner had to be declared between kira and athurn i would say athurn barely came out on top (like 49 to 51)
btw i how do u guys like what i did with my phone? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
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[SFreedomZGMFx20a]

@drunkenmaster what do u mean?

[aznimperialx]

it was a tie....

[drunkenmaster]

you can view it as a tie but i clearly said it was my opinion. athrun came out of the fight with less damage to his body so to me thats a slight victory. if u get into a fight with ur friend and u break both his arms and like 5 of his ribs and he managed to give u a black eye before sumone broke the fight up up or both of u got too tired, who won? i can see how it can be viewed as a tie, but to me, i think the winner was the one that only got a black eye. but w/e this is getting of topic anywayz. btw how did u like the phone?(i know it was random but i just got so hyped up about it lol)

btw: even tho the scientists designed ageis with the special clamp on, you cant say that automatically means u can never win legit... if you have a gun and they have a stick and u obviously shoot them and win. your still the winner. you cant say the winner was the creator of the gun and the loser was the inventor of the stick(or u could but w/e). agies was the better gundam. you could say athrun had a slight advantage.

[Death13a]

Here is my 2 cents: Give it a break, both alive and well and nor they enemies anymore so give it a break. and as for Gundams: each were good at something and it was very much rock-paper-scissors fight.

[AtHRunOwNZaLL]

HaroTori's version is out

[Terracosmo]

Thanks for the heads up. Man, this one was late.

[Strike Freedom]

Terra, nice site, I like it a lot. The touch of Gundam and FF is brilliant. I know it's off topic but I had to comment. Nice commentary in the web page, good selection of characters. I would have to say Kefka and Sephiroth are probably the two most bad ass characters in the FF series. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

[Terracosmo]

Thanks mate, for the reference though, there's a thread for the site in General Discussion already [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

[masamuneehs]

Cagalli should be dead. Mwu/ Neo in an old shitty Sky Grasper should be dead. Outgunned ORB forces= dead

Oh, and since Cagalli basically overthrew the Roma government in ORB, why the hell are they still fighting ZAFT?!? Wouldn't she get on the phone with Dullindal and say, "The old leader is gone. We're searching to find Djibril and bring him to justice." That at least gives them plausible credit to use against Dullindal later if he doesn't stop the attack, since he's done ZERO things wrong that any joe-schmoe knows of, and continuing to fight ZAFT after the coup d'etat seems to prove his justification for attacking ORB with such a large force...

[aznimperialx]

If that happened we wouldnt get any fighting