rasangan vs. chidori

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: Rhanfahl
I still feel this way

Rasengan = Power sander

Chidori = Nailgun

I wouldn't want to encounter either on my flesh, both would suck, hurt like hell.

The point is as with almost everything in this forum. The info is just not there to support a decision either way...

Read the posts again and you will come to a different conclusion.

[Rhanfahl]

um...I'm not sure what the conclusion you are expecting me to see. Its like comparing apples and oranges. Ok answer me this What's more destuctive, a shotgun or a rifle? Too many factors play into it. Depending on the target one could me more deadly than the other. A rifle is very precise and if it doesn't hit a vital area you could be fine it hit with it. On the other hand if you are hit vitally, you'll most likely be killed instantly. With the shotgun you will undoubtedly survive at decent range. But at point blank there is no missing a vital area with a shotgun...needless to say you're fucked either way. Both weapons can kill you in different instances.

Rasengan has a spinning nature to it which creates friction and can rip away at things it comes into contact with, much like a circular power sander or as saw.

Chidori has a direct piercing nature to it which can punch holes at things it comes into contact with, much like a nailgun or riveter.

Personally I'd not like either of those things to make contact with my flesh cause it would fucking hurt like hell. The point is that both have different uses, different properties, and different users. I just don't think you can classify one as "stronger" than the other.

[Jadugar]

I guess we will just ignore Jiraya telling Naruto that he will teach him a move more powerful than Chidori and listen to a noob like you.

And no one is going to hurt your flesh( well excepy maybe me).

[ChaosK]

jadugar no hunting people down. and your absoultly correct about jiraya saying rasnegan is more powerful (which i believe i said about 2-3 pages back.)

i'll repeat what i said before (at least i think i said it) the power of chidori comes with the ability of speed (with out speed chidori sucks) so when a chidori user can basically dodge the rasnegan, then chidori would obviously win, if sasuke was smart and fought naruto like the way i explained naruto who is bery initiative would've gone for sasuke who could dodge and strike when naruto was completely defenseless.

on the other hand, if they both clash head on like that did in the naruto vs sasuke battle then rasnegan should win because that is a battle of brute chakra power and force.
if you think about it rasnegan is used by those with a lot of chakra (naruto, jiraya) and chidori is used by those with a lot of speed.

it depends on how you use each technique in order to fight.

oh and also, it would appear that when the chidori and rasnegan clashed with kyubi naruto vs lipstick sasuke, sasuke had more chakra reaking out of him or he concentrated the chidori to sharpen it thus puncutring a hole in the rasnegan and going through it to reach naruto. its like the difference between a bolt and a nail. if i were to throw a bolt at you, no matter which angle i hit you with it woudl hurt. yet if i threw a nail i would have to precisely hit you with the point in order for it to hurt you.

[Rhanfahl]

Originally posted by: Jadugar
I guess we will just ignore Jiraya telling Naruto that he will teach him a move more powerful than Chidori and listen to a noob like you.

And no one is going to hurt your flesh( well excepy maybe me).

Ok, here's the thing... I'm sure we've all been to elementary school English and know the difference between "Fact" statements and "Opinion" statements.

Now yeah, Jiraiya said that, where is your proof to back it up? Its like all these Evolutionist fucks say Creation is far fetched. If the second law of Thermodynamics states that if any entity or system left unto itself will proceed to become more and more chaotic...not orderly, than how can evolution stand up to the scientific laws that preceeded its conception....it cannot, therefore it is a theory, just as creation is. If there is not proof to your statement about the one move than how can you be so sure that it is indeed more powerful? What is more powerful, a punch or a kick? Doesn't it depend on the sender and receiver of the actions? Not to mention the millions of variables that can occur at any given point in time? Muscular strength, speed, technique, physique, etc.

As things stand now, neither can be appraised as being "stronger". One cuts, spins, and rends, while the other punches, thrusts, and pierces. If "strength" is simply measured by the force or mass of the attack, than Chidori is superior. Both rearrange molecules in a different way...and lets not forget...neither are real.

I don't want to argue a moot point about things that don't really exist in this world, just explain my reasoning. If yours differs, than so be it. All are entitled to their own opinions....including Jiraiya.

[XanBcoo]

I'm just curious as to what a Rasnegan is, Chaoskiddo.

0.o

[heero]

lol dont make fun of the guy and just tell him he's spelling it wrong.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Chaoskiddo
i'll repeat what i said before (at least i think i said it) the power of chidori comes with the ability of speed (with out speed chidori sucks)

Untrue. Chidori can be used just as same as rasengan.

[Necromas]

Originally posted by: Mite Gai
Rasengan is more powerful, but Chidori cannot technically be used by everyone since the user has to move at an extremely fast speed and without Sharingan cannot counter any attacks his opponent makes on him while he is using it. They say that in Kakashi Gaiden when he uses it for the first time.

Rasengan has the same flaw, whenever Naruto uses it he has to use something such as kage bunshins to allow him an opening to make the attack, and it also takes time for him to make a rasengan similar to the time it takes Sauske to do chidori.

ALSO Rasengan is at least as difficult to learn as chidori, we all know how it was deemed impossible to learn in the approx 2 weeks Naruto took to learn it (first week was simply learning to produce it, 2nd week was the bet with Tsunade) and technically he didn't master it since he needs to use both hands and considerable time to form it, whereas Jiraya can make his in about a second using only one hand.

BUT Rasengan uses less chakra then the Chidori, because the chakra is contained perfectly in the sphere, even during the actual impact, while chidori burns more chakra since it is obviously not contained in a stable manner, with the lightning and whatnot.

STRANGE IDEA!!! Perhaps Rasengan was designed specifically to counter/improve upon chidori, now we all know that the 4th Hokage saw Kakashi use the chidori when Kakashi was approximately Narutos age, about 12, and that Kakashi is 26 at the start of the series, which means it was about 4 years between him witnessing chidori and when he died, just enough time to develope the rasengan and become famous for it. He could have designed it (as opposed to learning to use chidori) because it, when mastered as Jiraya uses it (not how Naruto does), is far less flawed then the chidori, requiring no prep time to use, not even a hand seal, so the enemy does not have as much of an oppertunity to counter, and since it is much more efficient at using chakra then chidori, a shinobi is not limited to so few uses per day.

Edit: also, the rasengan can be used with as much chakra as the user desires, thus only using as much chakra as the shinobi can spare, and allowing it to be used in a less then lethal way.

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: Rhanfahl
A LOT OF SCIENTIFIC BULLSHIT

Naruto is the main character of this anime and weather you like it or not his moves are and will become stronger than anyone else in the anime that includes rasengan.

[Rhanfahl]

Originally posted by: Jadugar

Originally posted by: Rhanfahl
A LOT OF SCIENTIFIC BULLSHIT

Naruto is the main character of this anime and weather you like it or not his moves are and will become stronger than anyone else in the anime that includes rasengan.

Holy fuck, why is everyone so damn hostile to me!? Is it cause I think? Is it cause I'm in my mid twenties and not a teenager? I'm not trying to attack you people...
Like I said, its all opinion. And in the case of this being a fictional story you are absolutely right Jadugar. But ultimately its up to Kishimoto, at anytime he could change his mind and make one of them suck. For instance he allowed shithole writers (that probably dropped out of college cause they were too narrowminded to make a decent story) to make two fat stupid jackass characters that could trash anyone aside from Tsunade.

Closing statement

Originally posted by: Mut@chi

Fuck this thread.

[XanBcoo]

I think Rhanfahl made some good points.

Though I don't think Rasengan was created specifically as a counter to Chidori. Also, Mut is right about the use of Chidori, as we have seen Sasuke use it on Naruto while standing completely still (episode 132).

[ChaosK]

Originally posted by: Mut@chi

Originally posted by: Chaoskiddo
i'll repeat what i said before (at least i think i said it) the power of chidori comes with the ability of speed (with out speed chidori sucks)

Untrue. Chidori can be used just as same as rasengan.

correct me if i'm wrong but isnt a chidori as gai explained "a thrust" ??
so technically, chidori is gathering chakra at your hand, and thrusting it into a target, now in order to get a powerful thrust, you need speed. which proves my point that without the ability of speed, chidori sucks.

the rasangan (happy?) however seems to be more like pushing it into somebody (whatever speed naruto's travelling at it would seem that the rasangan's power is the same.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Chaoskiddo
correct me if i'm wrong but isnt a chidori as gai explained "a thrust" ??
so technically, chidori is gathering chakra at your hand, and thrusting it into a target, now in order to get a powerful thrust, you need speed. which proves my point that without the ability of speed, chidori sucks.

It being a 'thrust' move has nothing to do with speed. The speed is there for the extra power boost. Since rasengan is also a thrust move, according to your logic, without the speed, rasengan also sucks.

We've seen Sasuke hit Naruto with the chidori without needing speed. Chidori can be used EXACTLY the same as rasengan.

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: Mut@chi
We've seen Sasuke hit Naruto with the chidori without needing speed. Chidori can be used EXACTLY the same as rasengan.

I remember Gai explaining the Chidori move during chunin exam, when Sasuke was fighting Gara, that how Kakashi trained Sasuke and improved his speed and movement before teaching him Chidori.

[Necromas]

Rasengan has the same flaw the way Naruto uses it (since he hasn't mastered the ability to form is spontaneously like Jiraya can), except Naruto, instead of using the sharingan (and speed, but with the sharingan, the users speed need only be comperable to the opponents, not extremely fast) to avoid enemy counter attacks, he uses something like kage bunshins, etc... to make an opening to attack.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Jadugar

Originally posted by: Mut@chi
We've seen Sasuke hit Naruto with the chidori without needing speed. Chidori can be used EXACTLY the same as rasengan.

I remember Gai explaining the Chidori move during chunin exam, when Sasuke was fighting Gara, that how Kakashi trained Sasuke and improved his speed and movement before teaching him Chidori.

That's how Kakashi's chose to have chidori used because of the sharingan. The speed allows far more destructive power than just hitting without it. Not only that, it reduces the opponent's time to react, and it's not a problem for the chidori user since the user has sharingan.

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: Mut@chi

Originally posted by: Jadugar

Originally posted by: Mut@chi
We've seen Sasuke hit Naruto with the chidori without needing speed. Chidori can be used EXACTLY the same as rasengan.

I remember Gai explaining the Chidori move during chunin exam, when Sasuke was fighting Gara, that how Kakashi trained Sasuke and improved his speed and movement before teaching him Chidori.

That's how Kakashi's chose to have chidori used because of the sharingan. The speed allows far more destructive power than just hitting without it. Not only that, it reduces the opponent's time to react, and it's not a problem for the chidori user since the user has sharingan.

I agree. Chidori does not NEED the speed to be useful, but the speed is pretty much essential if you want to make it devestating. Which is why Kakashi and Gai both mentioned the speed when explaining it.

But I'd also have to say that Rasengan is not a "Thrust" move. Naruto can be completely stationary and just tap an enemy with it, or slowly push it into him - and it would have just about the same effect as if he "thrusted" it. That's what makes it so powerful imo (note, I'm not referring to the overal quality of the move, just it's raw power). So I don't think Chidori can be used exactly the same way as rasengan, because the speed of the thrust is needed for it.

[Rhanfahl]

In the explanation at the Chuunin finals, doesn't Gai also say something to the effect that its like a "sword" and that Kakashi "cut" through lightning with it? I know we've only seen it as a thrust...but is it possible that chidori could also be used as a slash attack maybe? I mean...the power might now be as great but it should still kick some ass.

Also, when Naruto used Rasengan on Oro's bitch didn't it turn into a projectile at the end? I think that's the only time I can recall the move doing that... So...is Rasengan gonna turn into a Kamehameha thing eventually...God I hope not. And since Rasengan needs no seals, couldn't he have one in each hand or use two hands for a bigger one?

[Jadugar]

Naruto hasnt developed rasengan properly. He has to go one step further. Lets face it he has no other great move(doesnt include kage bushin) so he will see a improvement in rasengan.