Game: Final Fantasy

[masamuneehs]

Originally posted by: BOARD_of_command
**Possible Spoilers**
The developers of Xenogears split from Square after the FF7 was made and joined Namco to produce the Xenosaga series. I read that apparently Xenosaga is the prequel to Xenogears and there are "supposedly" 5 episodes leading up to the time of Xenogears. The Xenosaga anime is episode 1, which was when they discovered Zohar and the wave existence 15000 years prior to the events in Xenogears. Episode 3 or 4 is about the Zeboim civilization seen in Emeralda's side quest (which would FUCKING ROCK MY WORLD). It's all speculation as to how closely related Xenogears and Xenosaga really are, because despite all the similarities, there is no KOS-MOS reference anywhere in Xenogears.

well, i guess this is all off-topic as this isn't a Final Fantasy at all... but then again I am much to lazy to create a separate Xeno topic.

i was pretty sure that at the end of Xenogears they say, at the very end of the credits:
XENOGEARS EPISODE V

So there would only be 4 actual episodes before the events of Xenogears. I also always believed these 4 previous chapters would revolve around the characters known as Elly and Fei.

Episode I: Elly and Abel. Also the beginning of the Gazel ministry.
Episode II: Elly and Kim: the rise and fall of Zeboim
Episode III: ??? This one I simply can't remember. Was there a third reincarnation of the two before...
Episode IV: Elly (Sophia) and Lacan. Nissan, Krelian, Grahf, a painting.

Also, i gathered this from the Gamefaqs; message boards (yes i know that people there have a dubious reputation, but this time I feel they are correct) :

From: Chronolisphinx | Posted: 1/22/2006 9:22:04 AM | Message Detail
Xenogears was made before Xenosaga,obviously as they kind of stopped making PSX games after PS2 came out and Xenogears is a PSX game.
Xenogears is a part of the Perfect Works and is episode 5 of the series,so basically Xenosaga ep.1 and 2 (3 on it's way) are before Xenogears.
Since Squaresoft (Square-Enix now) owns the rights to Xenogears it was stated by Monolith that Xenogears and Xenosaga have nothing to do with each other and are 2 separate story's.
I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens in the future,if they ever decide to make part 4 as there's a rumor going on that Xenosaga ep.3 might be the last in series.

From: xylem | Posted: 1/22/2006 11:38:25 AM | Message Detail
Xenogears is not part of the Xenosaga storyline yet. They are separate story lines. In terms of what were created first. It was Xenogears the the move to Namco/Monolith Soft to create Xenosaga.

So it seems to me that since the development group that made Xenogears broke up, and the people that made Xenosaga have no rights over the storyline of Xenogears (including all the pertinent flashbacks that would make up key parts of earlier Episodes), both a remake of this game and any actual sequels/prequels seem unlikely. Fuck those money grubbing motherfuckers.

[Board of Command]

God, why don't these people work on this project as a passion in life instead of money? It really didn't feel like the developers were making Xenogears for money when I played through the game. Same with FF7. It felt like the developers truly enjoyed what they were creating, not just another piece of software to market (like FF8). Damn...everything is about "procedure" and "ownership rights" nowadays. Screw that, they're letting down the fans.

Originally posted by: masamuneehs
Episode I: Elly and Abel. Also the beginning of the Gazel ministry.
Episode II: Elly and Kim: the rise and fall of Zeboim
Episode III: ??? This one I simply can't remember. Was there a third reincarnation of the two before...
Episode IV: Elly (Sophia) and Lacan. Nissan, Krelian, Grahf, a painting.

You can't remember episode 3 because it actually goes like this:

Episode I: Year -5000. Discovery of Zohar and Wave Existence. Commencement of Deus Project.
Episode II: Year 0. Crash landing. Elly+Abel, Gazel Ministry and Cain.
Episode III: Year 4000. Elly+Kim. Zeboim civilization.
Episode IV: Year 9500. Sophia+Lacan+Krelian. Solaris-Shevat war.
Episode V: Year 10000. Xenogears.

There has been countless reincarnations of Elly and Miang because a new one forms immediately when the previous one dies. I'm not sure if Fei works the same way.

[masamuneehs]

Finally got some news on FFXII (yeah I'm slow and some of this stuff might be elsewhere in this thread)

First thing first, the original director and scenario plotter for FF12 was Yasumi Matsuno. He was the Director and script designer for Tactics, Producer and Director in Vagrant Story and the Director for Ogre Battle and Tactics Ogre. Awesomeness, right? Well, Matsuno has since retired from the FFX11 production team, citing health reasons. Fuck.

So now two different guys are splitting the directors job, Hiroshi Minagawa and Hiroyuki Ito. I have no clue who they are... The producer is Akitoshi Kawazu, Director from almost every SaGa series ever. He also produced Crystal Chonricles... So I'm just praying Matsuno's initial plans are followed...

Setting: FFXII is said to be set in Ivalice. Yes, 'Save us sinful children of Ivalice', that Ivalice. But it is supposed to be a different time period from the events in Tactics, and since 12 will have airships I'm wondering if its around the time of Ajora...

Battle: Still haven't seen enough of the Battle system, but some of the Menu options for battle include Attack, Magic, Summon, Gambits and Item. Gambit has something to do with A.I. which I never ever trust in any game... Also, no 'battle theme' The music from wherever you were traveling when the battle started will continue to play. I really sort of like that.
Oh, and no more random battles! Yup, you engage enemies after crossing their paths in the game. The enemy can also detect and surprise you, and supposedly have 'senses' like sight, sound, smell etc, to figure out where you are. That i love.

Abilities: Its called the License system, but it looks just like the Sphere Grid in FFX.

Magic: Espers. They're back, and they're the Summons in 12. Confirmed names of Summon monsters include: Queklain, Ultima, Belias, Adrammelech and more. Yes, those are names of Lucavi/Totema manifestations from the Tactics serious. I want to summon Velius and bitch slap him around for keeping me stuck on Riovanes Castle for an entire month.

Misc: Apparently alot of elements from Tactics Advance are going to be in FF12. The races from that game and some other elements are supposed to be in 12. I only played Tactics Advance once and didn't really like it that much.

Obviously I just got hyped over the prospects of 12. Still no U.S. release date though....

[LaZie]

I'm pretty sure Fei works the same way as Elly and Miang. Abel died didn't he?

[bagandscalpel]

Bah, I'm rather torn on this, but for one thing, I feel as though this ought to have been just another installation in the Tactics vein. That's not to say that I'm not anticipating this to be the next great FF, if we're lucky; but since they're reusing concepts already seen in two previous games, I'm just a little worried.

I've only played Tactics Advanced, but needless to say, that's all the Ivalice that I think I can stomach for a while.

[masamuneehs]

Originally posted by: bagandscalpel
I've only played Tactics Advanced, but needless to say, that's all the Ivalice that I think I can stomach for a while.

Herein lies your problem. Tactics for the PSX was an absolute masterpiece. Then again, that made Tactics Advanced even worse, because it was really a letdown after the first one.

I still have faith in Square. FFX wasn't a total letdown, and even IX had its moments. As long as its better than 8 (I'm not even counting XI or X-2... fucking travesties) I'll be content. Hell, who am I kidding? I'm buying that game no matter how bad the reviews trash it.

Your loyal Square fanboy.

[Board of Command]

I personally liked VIII. Aside from the cruddy love story and overpowered character system, it had the most interesting ending of them all. Like I said a long time ago, be sure to check out the Time Theory on GameFaqs if you haven't. It's a really interesting read.

[RedX1z]

Originally posted by: masamuneehs

Originally posted by: bagandscalpel
I've only played Tactics Advanced, but needless to say, that's all the Ivalice that I think I can stomach for a while.

Herein lies your problem. Tactics for the PSX was an absolute masterpiece. Then again, that made Tactics Advanced even worse, because it was really a letdown after the first one.

well, then again, here is how i see it. the one for the ps1 has so much to work with, while the one for advance had limited resources compared to the ps1. so, there's really no point in comparing 2 similar games for 2 different systems. in my opinion there was nothing wrong with the one for the advance, people just compare too much.

[Tekkaman Vigorot]

Time Theory? What would that be?

[Board of Command]

Rinoa = Ultimecia, parallel universes, etc etc

[masamuneehs]

That Time Theory is garbage because it's based on a 'fact' that even the authors were divided on being correct or not.

The theory is really quite interesting, but it is based on too much speculation to be seriously read through unless you actually care that much about VIII. And after finishing that game I seriously couldn't have cared less what the real explanation behind the ending was, much less entertain theories with more holes in them than swiss cheese.

[NineTailsKitsu]

Originally posted by: masamuneehs
That Time Theory is garbage because it's based on a 'fact' that even the authors were divided on being correct or not.

The theory is really quite interesting, but it is based on too much speculation to be seriously read through unless you actually care that much about VIII. And after finishing that game I seriously couldn't have cared less what the real explanation behind the ending was, much less entertain theories with more holes in them than swiss cheese.

This is a prime example of the creators of a well known series taking a break and being lazy, but wanting to make more money....So, Lack of storyline + plot holes + lack of character depth + sporradic and useless plot twists + lack of a true villain + lack of character's you can get behind = "Hey guys, how about we give an explanation about the story that makes it sound real complicated so they don't notice we only worked on the story that night we dropped acid and watched Malice Mizer?"....yeah....Anyway.

[KaosSinner]

Awesom. Those comments just got me boiling, cant wait to try them out, spacially FF6. im not very into games so I dont know where to find them, which programs to use to download them, where to download them, emulators and stuff...nothing really. I have a computer and a PS2. Any information would be very much appreciatted.

PS: tried downloading with emule and didnt work, apparently I had a problem with the ports and couldnt fix them...ahhh, Im no use. Well, one option less.

[Terracosmo]

Originally posted by: NineTailsKitsu

Originally posted by: masamuneehs
That Time Theory is garbage because it's based on a 'fact' that even the authors were divided on being correct or not.

The theory is really quite interesting, but it is based on too much speculation to be seriously read through unless you actually care that much about VIII. And after finishing that game I seriously couldn't have cared less what the real explanation behind the ending was, much less entertain theories with more holes in them than swiss cheese.

This is a prime example of the creators of a well known series taking a break and being lazy, but wanting to make more money....So, Lack of storyline + plot holes + lack of character depth + sporradic and useless plot twists + lack of a true villain + lack of character's you can get behind = "Hey guys, how about we give an explanation about the story that makes it sound real complicated so they don't notice we only worked on the story that night we dropped acid and watched Malice Mizer?"....yeah....Anyway.

This is completely untrue. If the people behind FFVIII had listened to Malice Mizer, the game would have been cheesy, contained homosexual cowboys and a main character with an uncanny resemblance to Gackt.

...

Wait, FUCK!

[rockmanj]

where is the time theory at on gamefaqs?? and who's a gay cowboy?? surely not irvine; he's the manliest of men, plua he has the hots for selphie. So what he had longer prettier hair than her?!

[RedX1z]

irvine was the man, who ever makes fun of irvine should burn in hell. his limit break was one of my favorite, with his cool poses with every shot.

[rockmanj]

now that i think about it, irvine was kinda fruity, but i dont think he was a gay

[bagandscalpel]

Well, while I disagree that Irvine is gay, I will say he's a poser ("life of a sniper," what utter garbage, then he breaks down at the critical moment).

And speaking of things "gay," I seem to recall that the FF series has done well to keep away from such risky footing EXCEPT in the rather (heh) questionable Don Corneo sequence. But by all means, correct me if I'm wrong.

[LaZie]

If you wanted to know, FFXII was already leaked 1-2 days early on BT in Japan. Here's the torrent if you want it
http://www.gamestorrents.com/torrents_tor/PS2DVD%20-%20Final%20Fantasy%20XII%20[JAP]%20[WwW.GamesTorrents.CoM].torrent

[masamuneehs]

LaZy, what exactly is that you're linking us to? A version of the game (if so, how does one play it?) a segment ripped from the game.

I'm sure people appreciate your bringing it to their attention, but if they don't know what it is or how to work it it's sorta useless...

Final Fantasy XII - Opening Movie

Don't know if its subbed or not, there really wasn't much info on it at PointBlank... its 120MB and .avi format. It was uploaded by someone who I'm pretty sure is a memeber of the AonE team, but can't recall.

No,and I know this is a little hypocritical after wha tI said to Lazy, no i will not be DLing this myself to see what exactly it contains. I'm not even close to getting back home from my semester and I don't even want to catch a whiff of the contents of 12 until I sit down to play it myself. Just thought some people might want to see what this opening movie might be like.