wing zero took out an outerspace colony in ONE SHOT. with a BEAM CANNON. i have yet to see that happen in any other gundam series.Originally posted by: Mut@chi
That's so completely wrong. Destiny has the most insane gundams and characters, by far than most Gundam series.Originally posted by: masamuneehs
Where Gundam Wing had too much politics and also invincible characters, Destiny is worse (my opinion) because it has virtually no political dialogue, slightly less indestructible characters.
something like being able to destroy colonies with one shot is only in two series gundam x and gundam wing and both of ther are AU series.
i dont know why you people bother to complain about the plotting for GSD, change is hard.. give them credit.. for trying to create a unique storyline.. rather than the same old "find a gundam, pilot it, trash it, get a better one, takes massive damage in the final fight, peace" realize that the plotting is more original.. are you guys afriad of change?
if you've watched every gundam series.. its verry similiar heck even the models are derived from each other.. scrapping parts from here and there and stick them together lol.. they are finally creating something out of ordinary! starting with the plot, enjoy it n_n
btw they are running out of ideas, there is a limit to mix and matching :] the end is near
edit: oh yeah.. umm the main charater isnt godlike lmao.. ex: heero jumping from insane heights, hit a hill and roll down.. just to get up.. dust off.. walk away..
such as, kira they gave him more a more humane charater.. and slowly developed into the kira now
crying hard with a snotty nose is a trend!! wooh crybabies
wtf.. is this GSD owned guys if you dont like shinn i would go crazy if i lost the people i loved........
[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img] i be wanting revenge too!
GSD is awsome in lots of ways i cant explain >.<
Well this is more of a thread for complaints. Well let me throw in my five cents here.
My first complaint is the amount of reused scenes. I am so sick of see so and so getting killed by so and so with the same freakin attack again and again and again. I know you guys have to be sick of it too. I mean every battle I see a reused scene at some point and it just pisses me off. Same with the openings. Op3 and 4 have near identical scenes . Just pure annoying. The plethora of reused scenes is gonna drive me insane.
Second Complaint. Music. Near same music. Couldn't they have changed the music completely or something? And Wings of Words/Op4. What the hell is that. Same for I want to go to a place.../Ed3. That song also. They completely destroy the look and feel of GSD. With a lame opening and ending coupled with an episode recap leaves only about 17 to 18 minutes of the actual episode. They could've used that time wasted to explain and go more in depth to the many unanswered questions that have been stated in this thread already.
The entire if you don't accually see the person in the cockpit of a mobile suit combust then they are alive thing is getting really old. By all rights almost all the the current pilots should be dead right now. I mean really. By some strange turn of events Mwu survived, but I'm not gonna get into that and other people who should've died.
I have a lot more to post but I'll do it later.
EDIT: Them making Kira out to be a newtype now is just plain stupid in my opnion. He is already the ultimate coordinator. Soon he'll be the ultimate newtype to boot. They really are trying to turn Kira into a god of mobile suits. After seeing Shinn's work in the Destiny I thought "Hey maybe Shinn will be able to match Kira." but now all hope of that is gone. Athrun and Canard are the only ones left who even come close but I doubt that they could even handle him.
Pilot stupidity is also a major problem. When Shinn fought those Destroy's I kept questioning the the brains of the Destroy's pilots. If those destroys stayed in mobile armor mode they could've kept their shields projected and fired upon Destiny. The blatent disregard for battle strategies just pisses me off. But you know. Gundams are so powerful that they make battle strategies useless. I mean come on. Shinn's new light shield on destiny was able to repel a head on shot from Destroy's positron cannon. To me that is garbage.
If this is true then fuck the series really has failedOriginally posted by: FelixZeroAlastor
EDIT: Them making Kira out to be a newtype now is just plain stupid in my opnion. He is already the ultimate coordinator. Soon he'll be the ultimate newtype to boot. They really are trying to turn Kira into a god of mobile suits. After seeing Shinn's work in the Destiny I thought "Hey maybe Shinn will be able to match Kira." but now all hope of that is gone. Athrun and Canard are the only ones left who even come close but I doubt that they could even handle him.
"wing zero took out an outerspace colony in ONE SHOT. with a BEAM CANNON. i have yet to see that happen in any other gundam series. "
gundam physalis (sp? o_o) took out a big ass number of battle ships in one shot sorta equal to a colony,,
double X maybe, but never shown actually taking out a colony
and tallgeese III (err sp again?) took out an asteroid
but wats the point of comparing zero's destructive power ? it takes wing zero like a good 30 sec to setup for the shot (its stays still at this point) and thats enough for any gundam/pilot in destiny to take it out or just dodge the shot completely
What does that have to do with this thread?Originally posted by: MrTicTac
"wing zero took out an outerspace colony in ONE SHOT. with a BEAM CANNON. i have yet to see that happen in any other gundam series. "
gundam physalis (sp? o_o) took out a big ass number of battle ships in one shot sorta equal to a colony,,
double X maybe, but never shown actually taking out a colony
and tallgeese III (err sp again?) took out an asteroid
but wats the point of comparing zero's destructive power ? it takes wing zero like a good 30 sec to setup for the shot (its stays still at this point) and thats enough for any gundam/pilot in destiny to take it out or just dodge the shot completely
to prove that...Originally posted by: FelixZeroAlastor
What does that have to do with this thread?
is wrong.Originally posted by: Mut@chi
That's so completely wrong. Destiny has the most insane gundams and characters, by far than most Gundam series.
you just contradicted yourself. it's original yet their using older models to make the ones that come out in GSD...Originally posted by: iesu 350z
i dont know why you people bother to complain about the plotting for GSD, change is hard.. give them credit.. for trying to create a unique storyline.. rather than the same old "find a gundam, pilot it, trash it, get a better one, takes massive damage in the final fight, peace" realize that the plotting is more original.. are you guys afriad of change?
if you've watched every gundam series.. its verry similiar heck even the models are derived from each other.. scrapping parts from here and there and stick them together lol.. they are finally creating something out of ordinary! starting with the plot, enjoy it n_n
if you consider starting off a gundam series with the destruction of xxx colony also an original idea, i have lost all respect for you.
uh first off, the main protagonist of GSD is shinn. second off, kira's protagonist role was in gseed. third off, his transition from whiny kira to god-mode kira happened in an instant. no one would predict he would be the kira that he is now. there was no slow development. he changed from whiny ass to god mode during the end of Yachin Due to when the coordinators try to attack the real Lacus. Kira is already the ultimate coordinator. he has yet to be defeated (minus shinn who actually did his research and plotted to kill kira while kira was not even in the aim to kill... and yet kira survives), he has pretty much owned every mobile suit he's fared against, he's got strike freedom now, and he may be the ultimate newtype soon enough. no one, and i repeat no one, will be able to match him.edit: oh yeah.. umm the main charater isnt godlike lmao.. ex: heero jumping from insane heights, hit a hill and roll down.. just to get up.. dust off.. walk away..
such as, kira they gave him more a more humane charater.. and slowly developed into the kira now
I was answering thisOriginally posted by: FelixZeroAlastor
What does that have to do with this thread?Originally posted by: MrTicTac
"wing zero took out an outerspace colony in ONE SHOT. with a BEAM CANNON. i have yet to see that happen in any other gundam series. "
gundam physalis (sp? o_o) took out a big ass number of battle ships in one shot sorta equal to a colony,,
double X maybe, but never shown actually taking out a colony
and tallgeese III (err sp again?) took out an asteroid
but wats the point of comparing zero's destructive power ? it takes wing zero like a good 30 sec to setup for the shot (its stays still at this point) and thats enough for any gundam/pilot in destiny to take it out or just dodge the shot completely
Originally posted by: Miro69
wing zero took out an outerspace colony in ONE SHOT. with a BEAM CANNON. i have yet to see that happen in any other gundam series.Originally posted by: Mut@chi
That's so completely wrong. Destiny has the most insane gundams and characters, by far than most Gundam series.Originally posted by: masamuneehs
Where Gundam Wing had too much politics and also invincible characters, Destiny is worse (my opinion) because it has virtually no political dialogue, slightly less indestructible characters.
"uh first off, the main protagonist of GSD is shinn"
i guess people can argue over that a lot,, among shinn, athrun, and kira,, screen time and talking-wise its pretty close, opening and ending also show kira in the middle etc more kira scenes
I say if Shinn dies in the series he's not the main char, likewise for Athrun and Kira
Just to comment on that "taking out a colony with one shot":
Physalis used a fuckin' nuke, that doesn't count. It was devised for using nuclear warheads and massdestruction. Wing Zero on the contrary was just...uh...over the top. But everbody was in god mode on that show anyways, that's part of why it was so crappy.
I already said it on another thread, the biggest problem for me with the whole SEED shows is, that they lack a certain realism( now just don't give me the "yeah, like Gundams are real" talk...that's not what I'm on about). In SEED(including destiny) everything tends to go over the top, too. Be it the pilots who advance to god-mode levels and do all their maneuvering and fighting without any problems or strain on them at all or the Gundam technology. They went from ammo using guns to beam rifles in a year, changed from "mere" superarmor(sry, forgot the freakin' name) to beam shields. And beam shields are not even in a test phase, every larger MS unit that rolls out of the factory seems to be equipped with it.
The whole military is a joke, people not questioning certain orders, others not following orders at all without any consequences. Cruisers and normal MS being completely useless and torn apart in the blink of an eye by all the uber-hyper-shitload-MS.
A colony drop which lasts for maybe 10 minutes and doesn't seem to have that much of an effect on earth. Politics are just a joke in SEED...c'mon, if everything was as simple as it is there, I would be the ruler of my own state by now.
I admit, UC is far from perfect either, but at least in some points concerning realism it owns the whole SEED timeline. Technology advanced on a more believeable scale( it took 7 years to develop Zeta) and the first Gundam was nowhere near the capabilities of even a Strike. Most of the bad-ass suits of UC did never attain a power level close to that of SEED, no matter if Zeta, ZZ, Ex-S, Alex, Physalis or whatever. Even more important, grunt suits were capable of taking out Gundams. It was not easy, but possible. And at least in some of the OVAs, grunt suits were essential to battles(Stardust, 08th MS).
The military felt more real...'though it is hard to say why right now. Maybe because of the plastic feel of all stuff in SEED. Technology, infrastructure and all the stuff going on in the federation had a more realistic feel to it. YOu were reprimanded for not obeying orders and you could actually see a "normal" military. In SEED it is all about the aces and they can do whatever they want. Everything else is suddenly controlled by some completely insane politicians who are not questioned at all although their lack of experience, intelligence or even ethics.
Still I like GS and GSD, for its nice animation and well designed MS. I even enjoy the story, but more on a "what happens next" level and not on a "freakin awesome, godmode kira destroys even more shitloads of MS and stupid kiddo shinn still gets no reprecussions for being such a fool" level. And to everyone now commenting again with stuff like "you don't like it? don't watch it!"...don't you get it? the thing is, that i like it, but i'd like to see some improvements made, so that it can be better. and there's really nothing bad in trying to be better. Stop argueing with all those lame stuff you learned while playing WoW, where everybody uses "arguments" like that. o_O
Ah, you're right. Wing Zero is the best.Originally posted by: Miro69
wing zero took out an outerspace colony in ONE SHOT. with a BEAM CANNON. i have yet to see that happen in any other gundam series.
Well, I still see Kira as the biggest focal point of the entire Gundam Seed series, and it does seem like he'll play a huge role in the end of Destiny too..
My reference to Gundam Wing was not to say which Beam Rifle was more powerful than others. In fact, I think I did admit (or at least have in other threads) that GW had a huge problem with giving the main characters virtual immortality in and outside of MSs. When an enemy nobody got hit, he'd blow up into a million pieces. When a Gundam pilot in a stolen enemy POS got hit, he managed to survive somehow...
I just was trying to say that this happens in Destiny too, and STILL PISSES ME OFF! When characters nearly die twice (at similair points in the story, in both series) and one thinks theother is dead but OH WAIT HE ISNT!! And they get together and go to town all hunky-dory on the other poor fools. Point being that there isn't much mystery, tension or edge-of-your-seat intensity in Destiny when Kira and Athrun are out there (mostly Kira) because if the guy can survive a sword that close to a cockpit...
And Athrun's stolen MS didn't get hit in the cockpit, but it's still a miracle anyone survived that blast...
If you want to say Wing was worse because of overpowered Gundams and invincible protaganists I just dont know what to say, you're entitled to your opinion too. I just don't see Kira or Athrun (and to some extent Shinn) as being any less indestructible than the GW pilots.
Oh, and Rey, Lunamaria and Shinn broke through an entire defense line.... The EAF attacked first, annihilated ZAFTs dropped units, and still couldn't defeat 3 Gundams, even with 5 Destroys and numerous defensive units.... This is also GWesque, with virtually one, two or three Gundams ruling an entire battalion because their pilots are SO DAMN GOOD.
EDIT: And as always I'd like to say that this is just my opinion. Accept it or not, I care not. And the aforementioned lack of consistency with obeying orders, executing battle strategies and insane development of technology does make the series cool sometimes, but undermines the gritty realism of war by favoring major characters and occasionaly making them infallible.
Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
Accually in GW the suits were not as overpowered as you thought. It just that their enimies had really sad mobile suits and strategies. At least in wing at some point ,their Gundams run out of ammo and beam weaponry as opposed to GS & GSD where gundams and normal mobile suits keep going and going and going. Hell even the pilots don't get tired. At least in GW the pilots got tired when fighting battles. Endurance and stamina seem to never be a problem in GS/GSD. In GW they owned until the mobile dolls came into play. This prevented them from taking out entire batallions to just entire platoons. They even had problems in GW Endless Waltz with the Serphants. Though they wern't trying to kill the Serphants, they still managed to get cornered in the end by the thousands of other serphants.Originally posted by: masamuneehs
If you want to say Wing was worse because of overpowered Gundams and invincible protaganists I just dont know what to say, you're entitled to your opinion too. I just don't see Kira or Athrun (and to some extent Shinn) as being any less indestructible than the GW pilots.
Oh, and Rey, Lunamaria and Shinn broke through an entire defense line.... The EAF attacked first, annihilated ZAFTs dropped units, and still couldn't defeat 3 Gundams, even with 5 Destroys and numerous defensive units.... This is also GWesque, with virtually one, two or three Gundams ruling an entire battalion because their pilots are SO DAMN GOOD.
Shinn, Luna, and Rey breaking that defense line by their lonesome was just outrageous in my opinion. Hell Shinn could have finished that battle all by his lonesome. Him and Rey were blocking head on positron cannon shots from the Destroy's. Shinn cut up those Destroy's like they were nothing.
Now Kira. Everytime he gets a new Freedom he causes massive destruction. When he got SF he took out 25 mobile suits in 2 min and in the next 30 seconds took out three Nazca class Zaft vessels. WTF!!! He even hinted signs of himsef being a newtype. I shudder to even think what will happen next time Kira engages in a real battle and decides to go Newtype-Seed-Mode on the poor fellows who are coming for him while choosing to deny his and his friends ideals of right and wrong. And now we see the Meteors are gonna come back. God only knows what Kira will do with one of those. This is another reason why I choose to like Athrun, Yzak, and Dearka better. They have simple suits and don't go around destroying armies.
The point that I am trying to make is that if you want to complain about overpowered Gundams and Pilots who can only be defeated by other overpowered Gundams and Pilots then look no further. It's GSD!!!
EDIT: The only problem with the mobile suits on GW was Wing's Buster Rifle and Talgese III Beam Gun as they could take out colonies. And anyone who still thinks that Wing Zero can defeat SF is horribly wrong as I have compared specs and battle abilities and come to the conclusion that Heero is screwed unless you find way for Zero to repel beam weaponry.
Also seeing as Colonies and stuff on GW had self destruct buttons and really big reactor cores maybe they just aim for those in GW and start a chain reaction which triggers the hidden bombs for the self destruct sequences. While at the same time blowing up the big support tower thingies. Maybe.
I agree with you on a lot of the points but the reason I brought the GW argument into this was because they had insane gundams. I can see how now with strike freedom coming into the mix, that might give wing zero a run for its money, but prior to GSD, there was no single gundam that could take down an entire colony. GWing's physics was totally blown out of proportion and lacked any sense of realism, although i know one shouldn't be looking into that much when watching a gundam series.Originally posted by: masamuneehs
If you want to say Wing was worse because of overpowered Gundams and invincible protaganists I just dont know what to say, you're entitled to your opinion too. I just don't see Kira or Athrun (and to some extent Shinn) as being any less indestructible than the GW pilots.
as for invincible protagonists, it's simple: they can't die because of merchandise sales: I think the sole reason that Kira and Athrun survives their encounters with shinn is because a) they can't die yet and some 'further' role in the storyline and b) fukuda must make a blatant excuse for a gundam to be destroyed so that new ones can come in for model kit sales later on. the latter has become so fucking obvious that it cheapens the storyline so much. if shinn hadn't have destroyed freedom, how would kira get strike freedom? if athrun had died, how would he get his eventual new gundam (you know its coming)? the new gundams might seem cool and all, but the story is degraded and cheapened because of it. i agree with you that it does irritate me to see kira and athrun survive the encounters with shinn... but in the end, the story's built for model kit sales. what can i say? -_-
very good points, when GSeed began, there was a certain sense of realism dealt into it (with the phase shift armor and the strike gundam not being able to handle the desert environment, and even the power of gundams were limited (remember strike had to fly back to archangel a few times). sadly, that sense of realism has degraded really quickly with the introduction of GSD. I can begin to see where both GWing and GSD have their faults in terms of that realism.Originally posted by: FelixZeroAlastor
Accually in GW the suits were not as overpowered as you thought. It just that their enimies had really sad mobile suits and strategies. At least in wing at some point ,their Gundams run out of ammo and beam weaponry as opposed to GS & GSD where gundams and normal mobile suits keep going and going and going. Hell even the pilots don't get tired. At least in GW the pilots got tired when fighting battles. Endurance and stamina seem to never be a problem in GS/GSD. In GW they owned until the mobile dolls came into play. This prevented them from taking out entire batallions to just entire platoons. They even had problems in GW Endless Waltz with the Serphants. Though they wern't trying to kill the Serphants, they still managed to get cornered in the end by the thousands of other serphants.
Shinn, Luna, and Rey breaking that defense line by their lonesome was just outrageous in my opinion. Hell Shinn could have finished that battle all by his lonesome. Him and Rey were blocking head on positron cannon shots from the Destroy's. Shinn cut up those Destroy's like they were nothing.
Now Kira. Everytime he gets a new Freedom he causes massive destruction. When he got SF he took out 25 mobile suits in 2 min and in the next 30 seconds took out three Nazca class Zaft vessels. WTF!!! He even hinted signs of himsef being a newtype. I shudder to even think what will happen next time Kira engages in a real battle and decides to go Newtype-Seed-Mode on the poor fellows who are coming for him while choosing to deny his and his friends ideals of right and wrong. And now we see the Meteors are gonna come back. God only knows what Kira will do with one of those. This is another reason why I choose to like Athrun, Yzak, and Dearka better. They have simple suits and don't go around destroying armies.
The point that I am trying to make is that if you want to complain about overpowered Gundams and Pilots who can only be defeated by other overpowered Gundams and Pilots then look no further. It's GSD!!!
this thread is really ruthless i wonder if you guys have so many complaints why bother to watch the series at all if you dont like shut up and dont watch it, i mean i doubt there ever was a perfect anime series ever where everyone liked every detail about it also i doubt kira would ever become the ultimate newtype since ce newtypes are so underdevloped and who would give him such a title, one things for though for all you people who want shinn to beat up kira in sf its not gonna happen to see the true power of a newtype watch Gundam X, MSG, CCA, V and Z gundam. then you will know the horror that is a newtype
As far as I remember,Heero "tried" to commit suicide, when he blew up Wing. He was standing on the hatch of his cockpit and selfdetonated Wing and...uhm...he SURVIVED the fucking explosion?!? Beg your pardon, but at that point GW had lost any kind of realism. He had a mere trickle of blood on his forehead, I think. And I've never seen Kira or Athrun jump from these insane heights and shit like in GW. Though still I see your point and yes, you're right, GSD is far from reality, too, as I stated above.If you want to say Wing was worse because of overpowered Gundams and invincible protaganists I just dont know what to say, you're entitled to your opinion too. I just don't see Kira or Athrun (and to some extent Shinn) as being any less indestructible than the GW pilots.
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It sucks to quote myself on this, but I don't wanna repeat myself either. NM the WoW comment in there, though, I just noticed that almost every damn idiot there uses the same way of "discussing". (Don't like it, don't play it...their way to deal with criticism). But as I said, NM that, it's pretty much offtopic and only shows my frustration with that game.Still I like GS and GSD, for its nice animation and well designed MS. I even enjoy the story, but more on a "what happens next" level and not on a "freakin awesome, godmode kira destroys even more shitloads of MS and stupid kiddo shinn still gets no reprecussions for being such a fool" level. And to everyone now commenting again with stuff like "you don't like it? don't watch it!"...don't you get it? the thing is, that i like it, but i'd like to see some improvements made, so that it can be better. and there's really nothing bad in trying to be better. Stop argueing with all those lame stuff you learned while playing WoW, where everybody uses "arguments" like that. o_O
lets back to the topic
have you changed your mind now that you've seen ep 39??!?!?!
good episode, but manipulating the storyline for model kit sales is becoming blatant.Originally posted by: aznriced310
lets back to the topic
have you changed your mind now that you've seen ep 39??!?!?!
i loved the ep....in fact , i WILL buy the SF model....but i mean...dont drag the sales of model kits into the anime itself....if the CEO of bandai told you to make the anime look good, what else can you do?
and the story/action is just starting to pick up exponentially for the last 10 eps, the pattern of all gundam series.
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