Bombs in London

[Assertn]

First of all....in response to the marine shooting that wounded iraqi.....

It's a war, and he was one of the people that are responsible for the war being as long as it is. Things don't look pretty in a war atmosphere....there are lots of stuff all throughout history that would give you worse impressions. For all we know, the marines in that video may have gone through their own hard times, seeing their friends killed by enemies that they cant even spot before its too late. If I went through everything that men out in combat situations go through, then I probably would feel the same sense of haste to take out an enemy.


Secondly......and this is to everyone talking about using peace to handle terrorism.....it's been said several times already but you guys STILL haven't given a reasonable response to it.....

The terrorists are dying for what they believe in. They think that what they are doing is right when they sign up, they think that what they are doing is right when they go through the training, and they think what they are doing is right when they go out to commit the deed.

To form a peace with them would require you to convince them that their life is a LIE

[Xollence]

It also said somewhere on that page that he was planning on ambushing the troops with IEDs. That bastard was planning on killing our troops, he got what he deserves.

[Assassin]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
To form a peace with them would require you to convince them that their life is a LIE

its not a matter of convincing them that thier life is a lie, its a matter of convincing them that there are other ways to approach problem besides explosives.

the real problem isn't what they believe in, its WHY they in it.

unless anyone here actually buys the whole "they hate freedom" argument put forward by the government, its pretty easy to see that tehse individuals are quite pissed about something. the only way to end this cycle is to figure out why they want to blow shit up in the first place, and then work on solving that.

anyway, comming back to the original topic of teh bombing, i haven't checked the news since yesterday evening, but to me it doesnt seem like the work of al-queda. its too random, too pointless. thier targets have always been us embassy's or other political/military targets. blowing up a subway and some double decker busses is stupid, and gets them nowhere.

i think its more likely to be a group based out of one of the war torn african countries, seeing as some very important ppl (and i use the term loosely) were in the neighbourhood for the g8 summit.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Assassin

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
To form a peace with them would require you to convince them that their life is a LIE

its not a matter of convincing them that thier life is a lie, its a matter of convincing them that there are other ways to approach problem besides explosives.

the real problem isn't what they believe in, its WHY they in it.

unless anyone here actually buys the whole "they hate freedom" argument put forward by the government, its pretty easy to see that tehse individuals are quite pissed about something. the only way to end this cycle is to figure out why they want to blow shit up in the first place, and then work on solving that.

You're missing the point just as the others have......
saying "coming up with a peaceful resolve with the terrorists" sounds all good and all.........
but you're still not taking into account that these people consider genocide to be a religious experience. You can't fight religion....simple as that. Spiritually influenced people will die long before you'll succeed in converting them.

They will remain pissed off until North America and Europe are blown off of the face of the earth.

[Jurojin]

I say we build a time machine, and prevent the development of weapons past sticks. That way, only thing people can do when mad at each other is poke each other with sticks.


*passes out sticks to forum members*

Have fun!

[Assassin]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
You're missing the point just as the others have......
saying "coming up with a peaceful resolve with the terrorists" sounds all good and all.........
but you're still not taking into account that these people consider genocide to be a religious experience. You can't fight religion....simple as that. Spiritually influenced people will die long before you'll succeed in converting them.

They will remain pissed off until North America and Europe are blown off of the face of the earth.

genocide as a religious experience? wtf

tehres a difference between being willing to die for what u believe in, and killing urself or others because u think its a one way ticket to heaven. i think u, and most ppl in teh west are confused about the concept of being a martyr in islam. take it from me, im muslim. these attacks have nothing to do with any "spiritual experience".

thier hatred stems from other reasons which i wont get into now, but its definately not somethign religious....granted, tehre are some exceptions, like the taliban, but on the whole, its not right to simply say "its because of thier beliefs" for every terrorist attack tehre is.

[Xollence]

Obviously it would have to be because of their beliefs. Yeah they do have a twisted way of interpreting the Koran, but still they are religiously motivated. The master mind of 9/11 had the Koran and a hijacker's manual in his bag which had all of his beliefs written on there and their god.

[Jessper]

Originally posted by: Assassin
unless anyone here actually buys the whole "they hate freedom" argument put forward by the government, its pretty easy to see that tehse individuals are quite pissed about something. the only way to end this cycle is to figure out why they want to blow shit up in the first place, and then work on solving that.

I agree that this is probably the only way to have a peaceful solution, however it is nonsense to put it forward as an actual idea for resolution.

If you expect that we will change the way we live our lives to suit some people in another country BECAUSE they bombed us, you are sorely mistaken. There is no way this will follow through logically.