On the contrary.....this would encourage even more affirmitive action against terrorism.Originally posted by: DB_Hunter
Though it kinda makes you think that after this attack Blair & Bush would find it even harder to sell the strategy of warmongering to people, since even by their standards its not working.
What? you think people are going to say "Stop trying to stop the terrorists, let them roam free and hope we dont get on their bad side"?
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
hmm...? are you sure they're all related? and also what is G8?
It is not verified yet so we cant determine if it was really them.Originally posted on: CNN website
A group, the "Secret Organization group of al Qaeda Organization in Europe," claimed responsibility in a Web site posting. <u>The authenticity of the claim could not immediately be verified.</u>
LaZie made this...a long time ago.
"It was a very depressing time in my life, since I had no money I was unable to screw the rules" -Kaiba
No, but I would say look beyond your narrow view of the West being the good guys and that they have the right to kill however many damn civillians they want. When some civillians die like in Afghanistan the other day (17 died while the Americans were looking for their SOLDIERS... VALID MILITARY TARGETS) it was reported like, "oh yeah, a few more Afghans died and I scratched my arse this morning too". When westerners die oh nooo, its something different then isn't?Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
On the contrary.....this would encourage even more affirmitive action against terrorism.Originally posted by: DB_Hunter
Though it kinda makes you think that after this attack Blair & Bush would find it even harder to sell the strategy of warmongering to people, since even by their standards its not working.
What? you think people are going to say "Stop trying to stop the terrorists, let them roam free and hope we dont get on their bad side"?
It's by people with views like yours that add legitimacy to the idea that countries like the UK and US are free to go screw over whoever the hell they want. You can't have a War without being hit yourself.. its that simple and if you can't take it DON'T GO TO WAR.
Listen, I was in the area myself today. If I was doing my usual routine I would have been caught up too. I KNOW that the people killed today are not involved in the fighting and should not have been killed. My point is however people need to grow the hell up and realise that this ain't no Hollywood movie where some dumbass hero with rippling muscles and weird gadgets and gizmos is gonna save the day in some far of land and he is the good guy and then everyone lives happily ever after.
And if you are gonna reply by saying "but they started it with 9/11", then don't bother.
Of course that isn't how they're reported, American media is biased to America and that has nothing to do with anything.
But yeah I suppose instead of "screwing over" terrorists we should all sit still and get killed by those fucking cowards.
What a brilliant idea.
"They call it 'The American Dream' because you have to be asleep to believe it" - George Carlin
OF COURSE we're gonna cry about American soldiers dying. Their lives are clearly more of a priority to us than the lives of Afghans. However, I'm not saying that American lives are more significant or precious than other races' lives, it's just that at times of war and fight for terrorism, the security and safety of our nation and its people are our #1 priority since casualties are inevitable. It really isn't fair but can't really do much when we resort to using weapons.Originally posted by: DB_Hunter
No, but I would say look beyond your narrow view of the West being the good guys and that they have the right to kill however many damn civillians they want. When some civillians die like in Afghanistan the other day (17 died while the Americans were looking for their SOLDIERS... VALID MILITARY TARGETS) it was reported like, "oh yeah, a few more Afghans died and I scratched my arse this morning too". When westerners die oh nooo, its something different then isn't?
It's by people with views like yours that add legitimacy to the idea that countries like the UK and US are free to go screw over whoever the hell they want. You can't have a War without being hit yourself.. its that simple and if you can't take it DON'T GO TO WAR.
Listen, I was in the area myself today. If I was doing my usual routine I would have been caught up too. I KNOW that the people killed today are not involved in the fighting and should not have been killed. My point is however people need to grow the hell up and realise that this ain't no Hollywood movie where some dumbass hero with rippling muscles and weird gadgets and gizmos is gonna save the day in some far of land and he is the good guy and then everyone lives happily ever after.
And if you are gonna reply by saying "but they started it with 9/11", then don't bother.
There isn't ANY type of reasonable or logical solution when it comes to terrorism. If they are going to slam planes into building and set off seven bombs all over a city in the first place, what's to say that they'll keep any compromises or peace agreements we make with them? When our lives our threatened by psychopaths, humans only know one thing: kill them before they kill us. It's sad but oh well.
I'm trying to keep this discussion civil, but this is just retarded. Going into guerilla warfare on another country's home turf is pretty much suicide. Ever heard of Vietnam? They're not just PEOPLE IN SANDALS. You've got such a ignorant idea on people that fight there. It's not like they are using swords and catapults to fight us. They have guns just like us, they have bombs just like us. Their army isn't incompetent. Sure, we could always out nuke any country but who the fuck wants to start pushing the red button to win wars when the consequence and casualty is multiplied by a million-fold?Originally posted by: DB_Hunter
Lol cowards lets see now...
The world's richest, most technologically advanced country with the world's most advanced military VS a bunch of gurellia's who fight in sandals.
Sure is a great level playing field to be calling others cowards.
If US and the Soviet Union actually decided to have a full on war, we would've nuked ourselves to death. The US and Soviet Union weren't 'cowards'. We were afraid of it going into a nuclear war. Stop using the 'war is bad!' ideal to come up with your ultra-bias, ignorant posts.Edit: Yea Cold War, case and point. When faced by more less equal opposition, both the US and Soviet/Russian armies were too cowardly to fight each other and so got others to do their dirty work... for thesemselves they came up with pretty little terms like Mutally Assured Destruction to big themselves up.
I'm talking about Afghanistan. The afghan fighters wander the mountain tops in their damn sandals.I'm trying to keep this discussion civil, but this is just retarded. Going into guerilla warfare on another country's home turf is pretty much suicide. Ever heard of Vietnam? They're not just PEOPLE IN SANDALS. You've got such a ignorant idea on people that fight there. It's not like they are using swords and catapults to fight us. They have guns just like us, they have bombs just like us. Their army isn't incompetent. Sure, we could always out nuke any country but who the fuck wants to start pushing the red button to win wars when the consequence and casualty is multiplied by a million-fold?
You miss the point, and are being condescending in putting forward the we-nuke-each-other-the-whole-world-goes-to-hell argument. The point is the US and the USSR were not prepared to die for their ideals, the very same ideals the fight to enforce on weaker countries acting so righteous.
If US and the Soviet Union actually decided to have a full on war, we would've nuked ourselves to death. The US and Soviet Union weren't 'cowards'. We were afraid of it going into a nuclear war. Stop using the 'war is bad!' ideal to come up with your ultra-bias, ignorant posts.
And I'm not anti-war per se, just anti-"but we are rich and powerful so our ideas must be right"...
would this be a bad time to show this? end of the world!
LaZie made this...a long time ago.
"It was a very depressing time in my life, since I had no money I was unable to screw the rules" -Kaiba
Um yeah....you're the one with the narrow view buddy. I make a statement that accurately identifies causality of the situation and you go ramble accusations about me just because I happen to live in the US.Originally posted by: DB_Hunter
No, but I would say look beyond your narrow view of the West being the good guys and that they have the right to kill however many damn civillians they want. bitch bitch bitch
The only thing narrow about my post was that i used logic instead of flowery emotions to draw my conclusion. I suggest you try it sometime.
You act like you know all there is to know about terrorism. Do you even know why they attack us? I'll tell you one thing, it is NOT because of our ability to go to war. If terrorists were trying to make a statement about war, then the last thing they would do is rattle the cage of a 1st world country.It's by people with views like yours that add legitimacy to the idea that countries like the UK and US are free to go screw over whoever the hell they want. You can't have a War without being hit yourself.. its that simple and if you can't take it DON'T GO TO WAR.
Go hug a tree, r3n jr.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Xollence, try actually reading my posts insteading of reposting the same reason as Mut for why the two nulcear armed superpowers with the ability to destroy each other as well as most of the earth and end civilisation as we know it didn't go to war. Thank you. Please let this be the last time I tell you and everybody else that I am aware that they both possesd something called nuclear weapons, not to mention chemical and biological weapons.
Listen, you do not, REPEAT, do not rebutt someone's point by saying don't think that you know what your talking about. You do it by bringing forward your argument with supporting proofs.Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Originally posted by: DB_Hunter
No, but I would say look beyond your narrow view of the West being the good guys and that they have the right to kill however many damn civillians they want. bitch bitch bitchOk two things.Um yeah....you're the one with the narrow view buddy. I make a statement that accurately identifies causality of the situation and you go ramble accusations about me just because I happen to live in the US.
The only thing narrow about my post was that i used logic instead of flowery emotions to draw my conclusion. I suggest you try it sometime.
1) Don't add words to my quotes, especially ones as immature as those, they only serve to degrade the level of the conversation and make you seem unable to make your points without having to resort to petty and insulting language.
2) I did not know that you lived in the US, though that doesn't surprise me. Your point there was based upon a false assumption that I was saying what I was cos I'm anti-american.
Your last line is too petty to address.
You act like you know all there is to know about terrorism. Do you even know why they attack us? I'll tell you one thing, it is NOT because of our ability to go to war. If terrorists were trying to make a statement about war, then the last thing they would do is rattle the cage of a 1st world country.It's by people with views like yours that add legitimacy to the idea that countries like the UK and US are free to go screw over whoever the hell they want. You can't have a War without being hit yourself.. its that simple and if you can't take it DON'T GO TO WAR.
Go hug a tree, r3n jr.
And frankly I don't even know if you understood my point as you seem to be going on why the people wouldn't attack a country... I'm not even addressing the the reason as to why the attacks have occured in that statement.
Again, last line too petty to respond to.
Your explanation regarding US and the Soviet Union is ridiculous. Nobody can take it seriously.Originally posted by: DB_Hunter
Xollence, try actually reading my posts insteading of reposting the same reason as Mut for why the two nulcear armed superpowers with the ability to destroy each other as well as most of the earth and end civilisation as we know it didn't go to war. Thank you. Please let this be the last time I tell you and everybody else that I am aware that they both possesd something called nuclear weapons, not to mention chemical and biological weapons.
gaaahhh..... i'm gone all day and i go home to read a nice long argument about US/Vietnam/Terrorists's Reasons/Quibbling Over Vocab.... and all i wanna say is that i agree with Terra: people suck =P
why can't everyone just stop hatin'? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif[/img]
Once again it's been clearly shown that humanity simply cannot change its ways. If you think what happeneded in London is a tragedy, just wait for the aftermath. The ever growing animosity towards the Middle East and Muslims created by these events comitted by a few extremists is what truly will spell tragedy in the end.
I kind of agree with this. The UK did after all get involved in a war against another country. They did invade another country and killed god knows how many people there. Now, they are getting attacked on their own soil. It's called consequences. One can't go around invading other countries and policing the entire world without facing some. I don't think anyone is truly surprised by this unfortunate event. I know that I'm sure as hell not.Originally posted by: DB_Hunter
You can't have a War without being hit yourself.. its that simple and if you can't take it DON'T GO TO WAR.
With that said, I think this whole "war of terror" is a complete and utter farce. You don't fight ideals with weapons. And you certainly don't extinguish the flames of hate by adding more bodies to the pile.
/ No, you warrant no villain's exposition from me.
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