I 'd probably say they are all evenly matched, no one faction's gundam is more powerful than the other. Sure they might be built for certain roles, but in the end its a test of the pilots' skill in using the gundams so thats still a little hard to see considering that we havn't seen them flying the suits yet.(save for Rey and Shinn in the next episode)
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Impulse was only faster than Freedom Because it was the newest mobel suit and Freedom was two years oldOriginally posted by: LokeXero
okay, that maybe true but SF isnt going to have that much of a jump ahead of freedom in the speed and agility and we know Impulse was faster than Freedom, so if Impulse's Speed > Freedoms Speed, it makes Sense that Destiny's Speed > SF's speed.
Destiny and Freedom are mostlikely equal in terms of speed or atleast acceleration especially sins Freedom has trusters behind his Dragoon pods
Um, call me crazy but I thought Shinn specifically stated Freedom was faster than Impulse? Not to mention all that stuff that made it look VERY fast. In fact, Freedom was significantly faster than Justice. Go watch episode 40 of SEED for proof, you can clearly see Freedom outrunning Justice.Originally posted by: LokeXero
okay, that maybe true but SF isnt going to have that much of a jump ahead of freedom in the speed and agility and we know Impulse was faster than Freedom, so if Impulse's Speed > Freedoms Speed, it makes Sense that Destiny's Speed > SF's speed.
As well, being Nuclear powered meant that Freedom had every reason to be faster than Impulse... why? Because with limitted energy, Impulse's propulsion had to be conserved. The whole thrust system for non Nuclear suits has to be built on efficiency in order to power all the other important systems.
A Nuclear suit on the other hand, can put as much energy into its boosters as the boosters can physically take. Screw efficiency, They can give 100% power to the engines 100% of the time. There's no way Impulse could compete with that, I dont remember anything anywhere indicating it was faster than Freedom.
That said, I think that Destiny is going to have a "Sprint" type, strait line advantage over S-Freedom. However, I would bet that S-Freedom is going to be superior in maneuverabilty.
As for Legend being faster than anything... not a chance. Its totally not designed for flight. In fact, I'd say the fact that its nuclear powered is the only reason its capable of generating enough boost to fly.
well i guess your crazy then, Impulse is faster than Freedom, Shinn said Freedom is Stronger. Stronger not Faster. Speed is Shinns strong point, his greatest ability, Dullindal says so and praises him for it.Originally posted by: MeroTZ
Um, call me crazy but I thought Shinn specifically stated Freedom was faster than Impulse? Not to mention all that stuff that made it look VERY fast. In fact, Freedom was significantly faster than Justice. Go watch episode 40 of SEED for proof, you can clearly see Freedom outrunning Justice.Originally posted by: LokeXero
okay, that maybe true but SF isnt going to have that much of a jump ahead of freedom in the speed and agility and we know Impulse was faster than Freedom, so if Impulse's Speed > Freedoms Speed, it makes Sense that Destiny's Speed > SF's speed.
As well, being Nuclear powered meant that Freedom had every reason to be faster than Impulse... why? Because with limitted energy, Impulse's propulsion had to be conserved. The whole thrust system for non Nuclear suits has to be built on efficiency in order to power all the other important systems.
A Nuclear suit on the other hand, can put as much energy into its boosters as the boosters can physically take. Screw efficiency, They can give 100% power to the engines 100% of the time. There's no way Impulse could compete with that, I dont remember anything anywhere indicating it was faster than Freedom.
what was the relevance between Justice and Freedom, seriously why bring up a point that doesnt have relevance.
If Freedom was faster than Impulse then explain howcome Impulse was able to block/avoid him so often...
I dont think Strike Freedom will be faster or more maneuverabilty than Destiny...Destiny is tailored to Shinn's Strengths and Weakness's based on Data from the Destruction of "Freedom" even Gil said so in the latest ep 36.Originally posted by: MeroTZ
That said, I think that Destiny is going to have a "Sprint" type, strait line advantage over S-Freedom. However, I would bet that S-Freedom is going to be superior in maneuverabilty.
As for Legend being faster than anything... not a chance. Its totally not designed for flight. In fact, I'd say the fact that its nuclear powered is the only reason its capable of generating enough boost to fly.
On Legend. Isnt Legend pretty much a reborn Providence. Isnt Rey like a Rau Clone.
Rau Le Cruset kicked the absolute crap outta Kira (Just like Yzak did too the Druggies) before Kira went Seed and Rau wasnt even in Seed . Providence was faster than Freedom and Rau was a better pilot than Kira too...
So explain to me why you reckon Legend wont be Kickass Fast in Reys hands..
okay once again all the suits are powerfull fast and maneurevable at this point its hard to tell which one is faster but from the linearts i would have to give to freedom because once again there built by diffrent people so its possible they might have used diffrent technology while building them. though it wouldnt matter since in the end it comes down to whose the better pilot and who would be able to take more advantage of the suits true potential.
on a side note what merotz said about freedom being faster is true impluse's movements were up there but not as fast but who needs speed when you know were the person is gonna aim already.
next each suit is built to be used in different ways everyone wants to believe there the same but there different, legend is the improve providence so it is faster but its speed isn't what the pilot or designer would capatalize on. since the dragoon system allows him to target any enemy from a remote location. the reason why legend has so many thruster because it is gigantic ( Really just bigger than destiny or providence) so it needs more thrusters to move.
on a final note i doubt lacus would make a new suit for kira that is basically a remake of the original freedom the purpose of the new freedom is to completely out due its predacessor so strike freedom will undoubtedly be equal or more powerfull than destiny imo
providence wasn't anywhere near as fast as freedom. and rau was nowhere near as good as kira. the only reason rau was able to put up a fight was because of his dragoon units. throughout their fight kira spent more time dodging the dragoon units than actually fighting rau. and in the end, all kira had to do was bum rush him with a beam saber.
But you still need skills to use the DRAGOON units right? So Rau without SEED might be just as good as Kira. For Legend that might be a different case as Dullindal mentions that anyone can pilot Legend so i presume that the DRAGOON units are easier to handle this time round? Of course to give Kira credit, he shot down most of the DRAGOON units of Providence before taking Rau down.
Amaya, the Tauren Warrior
Dullindal saying that Impulse is the newest and fastest mobile suit likely doesn't take into account unacknowledged top secret suits like Freedom. If you have anything else that would indicate someone with technical knowledge of Freedom and Impulse saying that Impulse is faster (AKA Kira saying "OMG Impulse is faster than Freedom!") then please give me evidence from an episode. Impulse was able to go toe to toe to Freedom because of Shinns skill and preparation. Lets give Shinn some credit here, he won that fight because of his skills, not because of a superior suit.Originally posted by: LokeXero
well i guess your crazy then, Impulse is faster than Freedom, Shinn said Freedom is Stronger. Stronger not Faster. Speed is Shinns strong point, his greatest ability, Dullindal says so and praises him for it.Originally posted by: MeroTZ
Um, call me crazy but I thought Shinn specifically stated Freedom was faster than Impulse? Not to mention all that stuff that made it look VERY fast. In fact, Freedom was significantly faster than Justice. Go watch episode 40 of SEED for proof, you can clearly see Freedom outrunning Justice.Originally posted by: LokeXero
okay, that maybe true but SF isnt going to have that much of a jump ahead of freedom in the speed and agility and we know Impulse was faster than Freedom, so if Impulse's Speed > Freedoms Speed, it makes Sense that Destiny's Speed > SF's speed.
As well, being Nuclear powered meant that Freedom had every reason to be faster than Impulse... why? Because with limitted energy, Impulse's propulsion had to be conserved. The whole thrust system for non Nuclear suits has to be built on efficiency in order to power all the other important systems.
A Nuclear suit on the other hand, can put as much energy into its boosters as the boosters can physically take. Screw efficiency, They can give 100% power to the engines 100% of the time. There's no way Impulse could compete with that, I dont remember anything anywhere indicating it was faster than Freedom.
what was the relevance between Justice and Freedom, seriously why bring up a point that doesnt have relevance.
If Freedom was faster than Impulse then explain howcome Impulse was able to block/avoid him so often...
The Justice comment was in response to someone rating Justice as the faster suit.
I dont think Strike Freedom will be faster or more maneuverabilty than Destiny...Destiny is tailored to Shinn's Strengths and Weakness's based on Data from the Destruction of "Freedom" even Gil said so in the latest ep 36.Originally posted by: MeroTZ
That said, I think that Destiny is going to have a "Sprint" type, strait line advantage over S-Freedom. However, I would bet that S-Freedom is going to be superior in maneuverabilty.
As for Legend being faster than anything... not a chance. Its totally not designed for flight. In fact, I'd say the fact that its nuclear powered is the only reason its capable of generating enough boost to fly.
On Legend. Isnt Legend pretty much a reborn Providence. Isnt Rey like a Rau Clone.
Rau Le Cruset kicked the absolute crap outta Kira (Just like Yzak did too the Druggies) before Kira went Seed and Rau wasnt even in Seed . Providence was faster than Freedom and Rau was a better pilot than Kira too...
So explain to me why you reckon Legend wont be Kickass Fast in Reys hands..
The fact that Destiny is built for Shinn means nothing at all as far as comparing Destiny to S-Freedom. As far as Legend goes, it kinda looks like a lighter build of Providence. But as has been said, Providence was neither faster than Freedom, nor was Rau a better pilot. KIra was nearly beaten by the overwhelming power of a fully functional DRAGOON system, not because of Providence having superior speed or a better pilot.
Not to mention Legend is one of the least aerodynamic mobile suits so far. Its got a giant disk on its back. I dont see how it CAN fly.
Oh well.
all the new gundams deserve respect they all are forces to be reckon with but at this time in the series how is it you can compare any of them to the other and automatically say ones better just because different people built it that different mauafacture doesnt automatically mean less quality or poor technology. so imo its rather stupid to have this debate. im beginng to think this is just another kira vs. shinn thing in disguise so its rather pointless. seeing that asuran is my favoriter character
to wrap this up its better to just wait and see what the suits are cappable of so we can have some accurate comments
I assume Freedom will be faster then Destiny for one reason: SF weighs in at 80.09 Metric Tons (WITH 8x Dragoons), Destiny weighs in at 79.44 metric tons... but he can't remove any of it. (minus destruction). I assume both will have a very similiar propulsion system, such that total thrust is equal. But remember grade 12 physics, f = ma, d = 1/2at^2, a = f/m so remember that a lighter mass wil have a large part to play in acceleration and top speed. Minus the Dragoon units (Key note, Providence weighed in at a whooping 90.68 metric tonnes) I'm thinking a total weight of 75 or less metric tonnes for SF. Meaning even if Destiny has a superior thruster system, SF may still be faster.
What I'm thinking is, Can Athrun keep IJ till the end without blowing it up purposely.
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metrotz didnt province province fly? it had a huge disk too, also, i'm guessing the battle they're all going to be involved in will be in space where flying isnt too hard...
LaZie made this...a long time ago.
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Providence never flew, at least not in gravity. I highly doubt it could have, if you look at it you can see how heavily its built (then again, there's Destroy...) As well, if it COULD, it would be very slow. just like it was in space.Originally posted by: Chaoskiddo
metrotz didnt province province fly? it had a huge disk too, also, i'm guessing the battle they're all going to be involved in will be in space where flying isnt too hard...
MeroTZ remember destroy doesn't fly, it waddles on the ground. I assume providence, in a gravity atmosphere would follow suit, and use the Dragoon units for flying attacks.
Ok, I dont mean to call your vision into question, but Destroy is quite clearly airborne at multiple points in both episode 31 and 32.Originally posted by: Nyro
MeroTZ remember destroy doesn't fly, it waddles on the ground. I assume providence, in a gravity atmosphere would follow suit, and use the Dragoon units for flying attacks.
Regardless, all I've tried to say is that Providence/Legend, without any pretention to being aerodynamic or flight friendly (Freedom I&II, Justice I&II, and Destiny all have wings of some form) will be far slowers than all of the other endgame suits.
The primary difference in speed between Destiny and Freedom, in my opinion, comes from the wing design. Destiny's beam wings look like will put out massive thrust (hence a greater point to point speed) but Freedoms lightweight wings will allow it to make quick maneuvers and short distance thrusts. I'm thinking Justice will be a balance between the two, if not better than both.
I don't know if this image has been posted here yet but look at Infinite Justice's right leg(some kind of beam saber in the leg ^_^:
http://img11.echo.cx/img11/38/bigger8nq.jpg
actually it would make sense if Infinite Justice was the faster than Destiny and Strike Freedom. maybe not as maneuverable but it looks like it would be the fastest. i mean it practically has a jet attached to its back. and because it's quite clear that it is more of a close combat MS than anything, it would need alot of speed to cover the distance between it and its opponent.
i'm pretty sure that asuran will lose/blow up the Infinite Justice at some point near the end. so far he has lost EVERY gundam that he's had. but hopefully not cuz i get the feeling that there's gonna be an OVA or something when GSD is over and i hope asuran will use Infinite Justice in it. OR maybe kira, asuran, and shinn will get new gundams. or maybe there won't be an OVA at all. who knows.....
I heard if GSD goes well there would be a 3rd sequel (^_^) than follow by a OVA (movie)
Things like 'third seasons' make me nervous. If its good, then its great, but I always feel like each subsequent sequel is less and less likely to be good [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]Originally posted by: SKY_SO_BLUE
I heard if GSD goes well there would be a 3rd sequel (^_^) than follow by a OVA (movie)
Hey, we can hope, right?
I would actually hope there isn't a third sequal. However I would welcome the Astray's being made into animes or another series set in the same universe.Originally posted by: MeroTZ
Things like 'third seasons' make me nervous. If its good, then its great, but I always feel like each subsequent sequel is less and less likely to be good [img][/img]Originally posted by: SKY_SO_BLUE
I heard if GSD goes well there would be a 3rd sequel (^_^) than follow by a OVA (movie)
Hey, we can hope, right?
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