The Chess Board *spoilers*

[kinggalaxia]

Of course, most of you have seen this chess board that is shown when we see Chairman Dulindall. Now ever since episode 29 (the GOOD recap episode), I've been wondered just who's who.

I started this topic instead of it being discussed in the episode 35 topic, which is where DDBen sparked my interest in it.

So first I'll say what the pieces are, to help you all try to figure what GSD character fits best.
White King
White Queen
White Knight (2)
White Bishop (2)
White Rook (2)
White Pawns (8)
Black King
Black Queen
Black Knight (2)
Black Bishop (2)
Black Rook (2)
Black Pawns (8)

From what I know or consider is this -
Archangel = White Rook - DDBen, tm. this makes sense, since the rook is a fortifying castle
Shinn = Black Pawn - DDBen, tm. it is correct as well. now I wouldn't say he's a pawn, but consider the Black Knight (edit)
Dulindall = Black King - commanding ZAFT and manipulating his minions to fight the White
Athrun in Savior = Black Knight > Athrun in Infinite Justice = White Knight - he'll switch sides and Rey will take his old place on the board w/ Legend
Rau Le Creuset = White King - now I'm not so sure...in episode 29, I think this was made clear....but the king was taken. Game over, man! But perhaps Dulindall was simulating how the "game" was for the last war. When King Rau fell, it ended.

Let's keep this topic going throughout the series, if possible. I feel that this is one of the best things in GSD right now. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[Barumonk]

(The real) Lacus is refered to at the White Queen in this episode. I think that's a dead giveaway. ^^;; Also given that, Kira is a more likely candidate for the White King then Rau.

Edit @ Dannynonsense: Your no fun. =P There is nothing wrong with trying to guess. With any luck we can find out how far off we were in the last few episodes.

[Dannynonsense]

i ll say this once again leave the labeling to duillandal i only say this since the labeling in the other threads thus far have been real strecthes so do what you guys want dont let me stop you

[MeroTZ]

I said this in another thread, but its my opinion that Dullandal is playing both sides of the board. Consider.

[kinggalaxia]

ooookay.....yes, Dulindall chooses the pieces

but this is a forum? riiiiight??

so let's GUESS, why don't we. ugh....

[DDBen]

Originally posted by: Dannynonsense
i ll say this once again leave the labeling to duillandal i only say this since the labeling in the other threads thus far have been real strecthes so do what you guys want dont let me stop you

Actually I think the issue is the pieces keep changing as Dullindale isn't only playing one game of chess. At any given battle anyone could be labeled as any given piece. This also follows closely with the issue of Dullindale playing both sides. Note that the Minerva isn't a single piece but an entire side of the board on its own and none of the pawns really matter in the greater sceme of things. However even a pawn can become something great during any battle as represented by the chessboard this is a pawn making it to the other side of the board.

Currently by stating that Lacus is the white Queen I look at it as his next move will be against her as he continues to use some of his pieces on other battlefields. In this case he just introduced 2 new pieces onto the board named Destiny and Legend. Where they stand depends mainly on the battlefield they are placed on.

I do feel that in the greater sceme that he mentions Lacus as the queen however because at this point he feels she is the most dangerous force in his way with the assumption that Kira and Freedom were just killed that is.

[Roko]

right, I agree with what you posted, DDBen. Another thing: I don't think any white piece at all is considered the "king." If Kira is considered the King, then wouldn't it be game over since Dullindal thinks Freedom and Kira is killed? White King probably refers to all of Dullindal's enemies in general; you know, knock out all the supporting pieces, and the the game is basically yours since all the defenses are gone. To support this, in the last ep, Dullindal says "Is this finally Checkmate? No, the White Queen is a force to be reckoned with" (or something along those lines). Therefore, the white king is most likely not kira, since the report confirms Freedom as "destroyed" (which easily leads Dullindal to believe that Kira is dead).

[Curium]

That is why I've said a couple of times that I think it is a chess/checkers hybrid since in checkers it isn't game over until you have taken EVERY piece. The reason for chess is because of the different strengths of the enemies and allies.

[Barumonk]

Well then I suppose Kira and Athrun are White Knights (even though Athrun seems to be refered to as the Red Knight several times, by different people). Shinn and Rey would probably be the Black Knights.

[Roko]

I think Lunamaria and Waldfield are bishops, since they are both supporting characters with good MS that are quite important themselves in terms of supporting.
In addition, I'd say Cagalli is a rook, since she technically has one of the most advanced countries in the world, so she can keep up supplies and forces and such.

[LokeXero]

Archangel = White Rook - DDBen, tm. this makes sense, since the rook is a fortifying castle

I disagree, Dullindal gets a report in ep 35 saying "we havent been able to confirm the sinking of archangel, but theres no doubt about the destruction of freedom... he then goes on to say

"Is it finally checkmate with this...no we cant be careless about the matter...the white queen is a formidable enemy"

Earlier in the same ep when dullindals making a speech we see

http://void01.xs.to/pics/05252/chess.jpg

Which shows the Black Pawn (Whom i assume is Shinn) with the White king in Check with a Bishop infront of it, Hence why i think that AA is a bishop and that the White King is Kira/Freedom (King and Bishop are next to each other in ep 29 as well before Rau picks up the White King)....

Roko said "Another thing: I don't think any white piece at all is considered the "king." If Kira is considered the King, then wouldn't it be game over since Dullindal thinks Freedom and Kira is killed? White King probably refers to all of Dullindal's enemies in general; you know, knock out all the supporting pieces, and the the game is basically yours since all the defenses are gone. To support this, in the last ep, Dullindal says "Is this finally Checkmate? No, the White Queen is a force to be reckoned with" (or something along those lines). Therefore, the white king is most likely not kira, since the report confirms Freedom as "destroyed" (which easily leads Dullindal to believe that Kira is dead)."

Your assuming what Dullindal is thinking, since when do we know what dullindal is thinking. I dont think White King symbolises all of dullindals enemies either, maybe the most powerful at any given time but not all his enemies...

Shinn = Black Pawn - We all pretty much assume hes a pawn, even the shinn lovers would have to agree...

DDBen said "1) Actually I think the issue is the pieces keep changing as Dullindale isn't only playing one game of chess. At any given battle anyone could be labeled as any given piece. This also follows closely with the issue of Dullindale playing both sides. 2) Note that the Minerva isn't a single piece but an entire side of the board on its own and none of the pawns really matter in the greater sceme of things. However even a pawn can become something great during any battle as represented by the chessboard this is a pawn making it to the other side of the board."

1) I agree cause it seems dullindals playing both side...
2) i disagree, every pawn has its uses and does matter in the events of time. Minerva plays the similar role AA did in the last war, so saying Minerva is a whole side rather than 1 piece doesnt fit the way Dullindals playing. On the Pawn issue biggest example is Shinn/Impulse who just wiped the floor with Kira/Freedom regardless of excuses...

kinggalaxia also wrote "Dulindall = Black King - commanding ZAFT and manipulating his minions to fight the White."

I disagree that dullindal is a piece in the game, he seems to me to be the puppet master not
an actual piece, hence why he is moving both sides...

Also by kinggalaxia
"Athrun in Savior = Black Knight
Athrun in Infinite Justice = White Knight - he'll switch sides and Rey will take his old place on the board w/ Legend"

Barumonk suggested "Athrun seems to be refered to as the Red Knight several times, by different people)"

Athrun could easily been a Red Knight that switchs sides...Currently though i dont see Athrun as being a piece on the board...I think rey is alot more powerful than we give him credit for, maybe a Rook possibly Black Queen but i guess we'll see what happens in latter eps regarding him...

And for anybody who brings up Ep 29, Dullindal only made 1 Move during ep 29. All Him and Rau really did was pick up the pieces and hold them answering questions to each other about Destiny...

I personally wonder if the Phantom Pain crew e.g Neo, Sting, Auel and Stellar were pieces... I need to redownload eps 3-7 and 12 to check...

[DDBen]

Originally posted by: LokeXero
Archangel = White Rook - DDBen, tm. this makes sense, since the rook is a fortifying castle

I disagree, Dullindal gets a report in ep 35 saying "we havent been able to confirm the sinking of archangel, but theres no doubt about the destruction of freedom... he then goes on to say

"Is it finally checkmate with this...no we cant be careless about the matter...the white queen is a formidable enemy"

Earlier in the same ep when dullindals making a speech we see

http://void01.xs.to/pics/05252/chess.jpg

Looking at that pic I would go with Kira is the White king and the AA is a bishop or rather the captain of the AA in that particular battle atleast. I must admit I didn't recheck the episode and those pieces look a little funky so I mistook the king for a rook. That said Kira is definatly shown as a white pawn with the AA as a bishop. Either that or the AA is being refered to as a pawn with minerva representing the other black pawn.

On the other hand I do see Dullindale as the black king with Meer as the black queen as if Dullindale gets killed its game over for him and if Meer is found out losing the black queen would put Dullindale at a great disadvantage.

Honestly I still have to go with its impossible to actually define any piece outside of a particular battle as the number of factors is to great for any single piece to represent a single person in Dullindales game of chess.

[LokeXero]

i could see Meer as the black queen...Doesnt she get found out in the next five or so eps...

[DDBen]

Originally posted by: LokeXero
i could see Meer as the black queen...Doesnt she get found out in the next five or so eps...

No idea and it would be best you save that for a spoiler thread elsewhere rather then in this one. I only see Meer as the black queen as she's a reflection of Lacus who has been called the white queen. This of course only matters IF we are talking about a finite number of pieces.

[LokeXero]

Originally posted by: DDBen

Originally posted by: LokeXero
i could see Meer as the black queen...Doesnt she get found out in the next five or so eps...

No idea and it would be best you save that for a spoiler thread elsewhere rather then in this one.

Topic Title: The Chess Board *spoilers*
Topic Summary: Let's summarize who are the pieces
Created On: 06/21/2005 06:51 AM

I already thought this did have spoilers involved...

Originally posted by: DDBen
I only see Meer as the black queen as she's a reflection of Lacus who has been called the white queen. This of course only matters IF we are talking about a finite number of pieces.

true, Using that same reflection though then Dullindal would be Black King...Still we dont know what piece Rey is, though could he possibly be Black King, kinda like in Dullindal's Stead, since he might know of Dullindals end game objective...

[DDBen]

Originally posted by: LokeXero
true, Using that same reflection though then Dullindal would be Black King...Still we dont know what piece Rey is, though could he possibly be Black King, kinda like in Dullindal's Stead, since he might know of Dullindals end game objective...

Rey is absolutely working with Dullindale he knows his objective and he's out to avenge Raul who quite possibly could be Talia's significant other with Rey as her and Rauls child. Note that she had a child. That the father is out of the picture as she slept with Dullindale and that Rey is not a clone.

Also speculation is fine and I think the topic is a little misleading with the spoilers title but there is already a stickied topic for spoilers of that nature.

[oyabun]

i think shin is a black pawn and rey is the black queen cause he's gay [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif[/img] lol
maybe we can summarize the whole chest pieces after 4-5 eps

[kinggalaxia]

Originally posted by: oyabin
i think shin is a black pawn and rey is the black queen cause he's gay [img][/img] lol
maybe we can summarize the whole chest pieces after 4-5 eps

*barks like Brian Griffin did to Dr. Diddy in Family Guy*

[Guardian_2000]

Just my opinion and probably has a few holes.

I believe Shinn to have been a pawn till he fought Freedom a bishop. I consider the White King to be AA and White Queen to be Lacus with Eternal. Perhaps now Shinn made it to the end of the board and took out the bishop. Shinn will now move up to a bishop or even a rook. Athrun I consider to be the other bishop or a knight. With Cagalli set to be a knight. Andy and Mwu/Neo are both gonna be Rooks imo.

Minerva I think is the black queen. Rey is likely to be a rook. Luna is also gonna be a knight. While various other people will be the random pieces. I suspect Meer is probably a rook. Not for the sake of fighting but for the stability and fortification she brings. Athrun was probably his the black bishop.

[Kovash]

Originally posted by: Curium
That is why I've said a couple of times that I think it is a chess/checkers hybrid since in checkers it isn't game over until you have taken EVERY piece. The reason for chess is because of the different strengths of the enemies and allies.

Funny you should mention that, since the running theme with all the 'prime movers' thus far, has been the utter obliteration of their enemy.

Think aobut it, Athrun's dad declared the war isn't over till every single enemy is dead, Azrael reflected that sentiment, as has Dijibril.

Dillundal, on the otherhand, seems to be playing a different game, though the main objective still seems to be annialation of the enemy (in this case, LOGOS is the target, rather than an entire denomination)


On the subjet of picking acctual peices though, I think the Black/White comparison isn't as clear cut as ZAFT/'Everyone else' - assuming the picture posted earlier suggests what we assume, both Talia (or the minerva in general) and Kira are white peices, where Shinn is Black.

So I propose the theory that maybe the Black/White is linked into person motovation rather than political alliances - Shinn is all about revenge so he's black, whereas Kira and Talia are about peace and honour so they are white. Since Dillundal isn't really on a 'side' so to speak, and seems to be playing everyone up against each other, it would make sense to assume that even though the peices represent certain people or factions, the game is very mis-matched and no clear lines can be drawn.


EDITED IN AFTERTHOUGHT:
So you could say, that in Dillundal's game, white can fight white and black can fight black, because of his manipulations, even though they have something in common, everyone can be an enemy to anyone.