I'm not sure that is a good measureing for that. Gundam SEED Destiny just sounds better then Gundam SEED Strike-Freedom or Gundam SEED Infinite Justice.Originally posted by: oyabin
shin is and should be the main character, the series is named after his gundam. but for me he should die with his lover rey. hehehe and it was nice to see athruns characters develops "again".
Is infinite justice's head in the last part of the op?
And yes that was IJ's head.
Well, seems like Asuran is sinking deeper and deeper into the quagmire of useless angst ( at least Shinn's angst is directed towards the enemy ). A shame I actually liked the guy once, seeing how he's now reduced into a total retard. Smacking Shinn for actually defeating the enemy ( the enemy who earlier shredded Saviour ) pretty much shows Asurans character. Right now, the only redemption I see for Asuran is death as I consider him pretty much the most pathetic character ever to pilot a GUNDAM and a total waste of good skills.
Ahem, as for the rest of the episode, it was pretty good. It was nice to see the effect the Chairmans words had on the people, and seeing Lord Djibril fear for his life as Logos members were dragged out on the streets and shot one by one. I'm also very curious to see how Lunamaria will react to Asuran's lowly betrayal.
/ No, you warrant no villain's exposition from me.
Personally I consider it more of him finally coming to his senses. Sure Kira took out Saviour, but Athrun is man enough to realize it was just a small disagreement compared to the importance of their friendship. He showed amazing restraint since he thinks that his best friend and his fiance were both just killed along with several other friends.
I think that a while back we talked about being a soldier and following orders and disobeying orders. To me it seemed that Talia regreted even fighting the AA and was not at all to happy when she thought it blew up also. Athrun's brain is finally working now so this is very good.
As to what he is gonna do with a gouf and Meyrin... he'll probably use his Faith membership to take a gouf and escape while everyone else thinks that he is doing it for faith or something. As to where Athrun is gonna go... probably orb but thats another ep so let me get back on topic.
I wonder what is up with Rey and all of the touching all of the sudden. It is really creeping me out. What pisses me off though is that smug look that he has on his face. Like he is superior in his logic. And when he went into his room he had an evil look on his face like everything was going according to plan or something. But what I really want to know is why he flashbacked to Rau Kluze getting killed by Kira. Maybe he is also happy that Shinn got his revenge on Kira for Rau's death too. Makes me wonder.
Nai. You probably didn't look at it from Athrun's point of view. Like Curium said he basically thinks that his family(most everyone on the AA) is dead. A punch is nothing campared to what he could've done to Shinn. If Shinn hadn't walked up to him at that moment and maybe later he probably wouldn't have recieved that punch. Athrun didn't even do or say anything to Shinn as they rode that car to Dullindal. This just shows you his level of maturity. While Shinn did nothing in this ep but show his level of maturity as he gawked at his gundam and smiled everytime Rey touched him.
yea i agree talia didnt seem to want to fight the AA..... maby she likes what they are doing or something who knows anyway cant wait for next ep. nice to see that auran is gunna leave ZAFT and return to ORB/AA?? then who would get legend Rey or Lunamaria?
P.S. GO ASURAN NICE PUNCH ON SHINN ONE OF THE BEST PARTS IN EP (BEST BEING THAT WE SEE THAT KIRA SURVIVED ^^).
If you watched the episode you would know that Asuran was angry and sad because he thought his girl Cagalli and his best friend Kira died and along with them the whole Archangel crew which he knew from the Yakin Due battle. If that doesn't make you angry or sad you're insane.Originally posted by: Nai
Well, seems like Asuran is sinking deeper and deeper into the quagmire of useless angst ( at least Shinn's angst is directed towards the enemy ). A shame I actually liked the guy once, seeing how he's now reduced into a total retard. Smacking Shinn for actually defeating the enemy ( the enemy who earlier shredded Saviour ) pretty much shows Asurans character. Right now, the only redemption I see for Asuran is death as I consider him pretty much the most pathetic character ever to pilot a GUNDAM and a total waste of good skills.
Ahem, as for the rest of the episode, it was pretty good. It was nice to see the effect the Chairmans words had on the people, and seeing Lord Djibril fear for his life as Logos members were dragged out on the streets and shot one by one. I'm also very curious to see how Lunamaria will react to Asuran's lowly betrayal.
It's not a matter of "he punched shinn for defeating the enemy". He punched Shinn because Shinn killed Asuran's best friend and at that Shinn knew that Freedom doesn't kill. Sure it was an order to take it down but Shinn doesn't got any ethics at all, fuck he does as he pleases and Dulinandal rewards him with a new gundam.
Asuran is indeed pathetic in an army but when he joins the Archangel and their cause he will be one hell of a force. You can't really blame Asuran for how he acts seeing what he has been through in SEED. Requesting that he follows Dulinandal blindly is like telling a blind man to drive a car, it simply won't happen.
This episode was kind of like the opening to Athrun's brain turning back on. I just hope that when Athrun takes Meyrin with him in the next ep someone isn't stupid enough to kill her. He may just lose it and take out that entire base.
Really can't wait to see the look on Shinn's face when he sees Kira alive. Can't also wait to see the look on his face when he has fight Athrun and gets his ass whooped.
If Shinn gets the Destiny then Rey gets the Legend Right? I guess that means Luna gets the Impulse maybe.
Nai...
Shinn did not defeat the "enemy", he defeated Stellar's so-called killer. Even before AA/Freedom was declared the enemy, Stellar was killed and the grudge against Kira continued (remember Shinn saw freedom before his family got owned), thus contradicting your statement above.
If you didn't clearly see Shinn taunting Athrun, no offense, I feel sorry for you because that is the only reason he got decked in the face and flew 5 feet back, not for "defeating the enemy". We all expected Athrun to woop the shit out of him, but Athrun was clearly holding himself back, that was, until he was provoked by Shinn's arrogant comments.
Athrun is confused, as he was in SEED. Kira/Shinn know what they want. Shinn wanted revenge and ended up owning Kira. Kira wants to stop the endless battles and get orb back to what it used to be. I like the first op of the series, ignited, because one of the first things they show was Kira, Athrun, and Shinn. I thought was somewhat symbolic, Kira representing peace, Shinn representing war, and Athrun in the middle of the two, confused. I can't think of a better analogy.
you know i try not to overdue it when i post and try to avoid post that look down on the character i support asuran but in this case ill make an exceptionOriginally posted by: Nai
Well, seems like Asuran is sinking deeper and deeper into the quagmire of useless angst ( at least Shinn's angst is directed towards the enemy ). A shame I actually liked the guy once, seeing how he's now reduced into a total retard. Smacking Shinn for actually defeating the enemy ( the enemy who earlier shredded Saviour ) pretty much shows Asurans character. Right now, the only redemption I see for Asuran is death as I consider him pretty much the most pathetic character ever to pilot a GUNDAM and a total waste of good skills.
Ahem, as for the rest of the episode, it was pretty good. It was nice to see the effect the Chairmans words had on the people, and seeing Lord Djibril fear for his life as Logos members were dragged out on the streets and shot one by one. I'm also very curious to see how Lunamaria will react to Asuran's lowly betrayal.
shut the hell up your interpertation of the episode is anything but right how bout you re watch the episode matter of fact the entire series over and stop being a narrow minded dumbass (common trait amongst Shinn-lovers) saying all this and that without actually thinking about it and automatically thinking the insane asshole shinn is always right.
now to close "know your Facts before you Post DUMBASS"
Um, I know you've heard alot by now... but really, are you paying attention? What Athrun knew, and so did apparently Talia and anyone else with half a brain, is that Archangel and Kira were not anyone's enemy. At know point have they actually threatened or been a threat to anyone. At the very most, they have interfered. To make a comparison, this would be like the United States attacking France for continously 'getting in our way' politically (PLEASE, I am not trying to start any political stuff here, jsut trying to make a comparison showing how ridiculous it was for ZAFT to consider the AA their enemy).Originally posted by: Nai
Well, seems like Asuran is sinking deeper and deeper into the quagmire of useless angst ( at least Shinn's angst is directed towards the enemy ). A shame I actually liked the guy once, seeing how he's now reduced into a total retard. Smacking Shinn for actually defeating the enemy ( the enemy who earlier shredded Saviour ) pretty much shows Asurans character. Right now, the only redemption I see for Asuran is death as I consider him pretty much the most pathetic character ever to pilot a GUNDAM and a total waste of good skills.
Ahem, as for the rest of the episode, it was pretty good. It was nice to see the effect the Chairmans words had on the people, and seeing Lord Djibril fear for his life as Logos members were dragged out on the streets and shot one by one. I'm also very curious to see how Lunamaria will react to Asuran's lowly betrayal.
Not to mention, Athrun did just see the closest things he has left to family annihilated by the Nation he'd been wanting to trust ever since his mom died. I'd say punching Shinn is handling things much better than Shinn did, what with the sequestering himself in a room with Rey and plotting Kira's death.
Goddamn, I love Nai. He (she?) has the same opinion like me on everything related to Shinn. I don't even need to post it myself! I don't understand why you all are complaining about that post of his/hers. It's pretty much the only post in this topic that isn't just "OMG loolololol good punch & btw Rey/Shinn are gay and will have babies!!11 omg athrun rules despite not doing anything lolool he's pimp weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee". Many of you could learn from it...
To put it simply: well, good for all you Shinn-haters that Athrun punched him. I fail to see the logic in the scene however, other than Athrun's dislike for him. An understandable dislike maybe (seeing as Shinn presumably killed Kira & blew up the Archangel), but still. Shinn followed orders and took down the enemy's greatest pilot. And he gets smacked. Wow, go Athrun! As far as these things goes, I'd say Shinn is a better soldier [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] At least he knows what the hell he is supposed to be doing. Also, what the hell has Athrun even accomplished in this series?
All he does is go around and behave like a fucking soap-bubble, girls coming to him because he no doubt emits special "I'm helpless" waves which gives the females in the show motherly feelings or something to that effect. Athrun flies around, hates Shinn, screams names and gets his fucking machine ripped apart.
Shinn kills enemies, takes down Kira and so on and so forth. Athrun is the one who needs a punch, so that retard can bring himself together and become his older more resolute self. As it stands now he's just a moron.
---As for the episode: YZAK! God, I've missed him. As PSJ said a few pages back, nobody can say "URUSAI!" like this godly creation of a character can. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] He better get more screentime now. I just love everything about him. He's just so impulsive, so pissed off, so brilliant... so "Is that head of yours only for decoration?". HELL YEAH!
Does anyone else think that Rey helped Shinn to get Kira down as a revenge for the latter killing Kruuze? Also, <3 the new mobile suits. Legend looks kinda like Providence #2. With Athrun about to leave, I am guessing Rey will get that one instead.
NOTE: Everything I say about Shinn is said in an entirely objective way, coming from a guy who does not care particularly for either Shinn nor Athrun. So if you are going to criticise this post, which I am sure that at least 3 of you will, then do not blindly assume that I'm a Shinn fanboy; for I am not.
you were the last person we needed to join this argrument Mr. Joule
Originally posted by: Dannynonsense
you know i try not to overdue it when i post and try to avoid post that look down on the character i support asuran but in this case ill make an exception
shut the hell up your interpertation of the episode is anything but right how bout you re watch the episode matter of fact the entire series over and stop being a narrow minded dumbass (common trait amongst Shinn-lovers) saying all this and that without actually thinking about it and automatically thinking the insane asshole shinn is always right.
now to close "know your Facts before you Post DUMBASS"
Like this constitutes an argument. ~_~
Everyone else who has responded to Nai has at the very least explained their side in a civil manner- All you seem to like doing is shouting and cursing at Pro-Shinn people to make your E-peen larger.
Nai is correct from Shinn's/ZAFT's mind, while the rest of you are correct from an outside look at the situation. Decking Shinn is understandable considering his loss, but is really rather childish if you look at it from a military view. I am hoping that Athrun, whom is my favorite character since Seed, has finally woken up from his haze and actually does SOMETHING other than being a chick-magnet.
Apparently my post was far too biased and my subjective opinion ( redundant but obviously a necessity ) extremely uninformed and ignorant. Let me try this again:
"OMG LOLOL SHINN AND REY TOTALLY GAY!!! OMFG, ASURAN SUCH A PIMP! HAVE MY BABIES!"
That better?
Okay, now for some easy facts that anyone should be able to folllow:
1. Shinn Asuka is a soldier of ZAFT.
2. Asuran Zala is a soldier of ZAFT.
3. The Archangel and Freedom has been declared enemies of ZAFT due to attacking ZAFT several times over on various battlefields.
4. Shinn Asuka takes down the enemy ace pilot, Kira Yamato. The ace pilot who earlier destroyed Saviour, Asuran Zala's unit.
5. Shinn Asuka gets slapped in the face by his comrade in arms Asuran Zala for doing his duty and for not being owned by Freedom. Asuran Zala's superb defense was "KIRA DIDN'T WANT TO KILL YOU! HE JUST WANTED TO FUCK UP YOUR UNIT! YOU SHOULD HAD LET HIM WIN! BOO-FUCKING-HOO!"
I'm sorry for not seeing Asuran as the great ball-enticing hero in this scenario and I'm really sorry for not considering Rey "a fag who needs to die" and Shinn a complete and utter waste of space. I'm just odd, I guess.
/ No, you warrant no villain's exposition from me.
normally i would have started cursing at you Jurojin but you see my point of view which i hoped people would have seen after watching the episode again. the reason for my argrument is nai is only looking at things from a millitary point of view not a personal one. thats like telling some one you shouldnt be mad we killed your family were on the same side. then most shinn lovers talk about how shinn acts so human well in this case it was asuran who was acting human that whole situation wasnt about millitary ethics but asuran personal feelings as rey had mentioned.
as for asuran betrayl would you still side with the people who killed your family. which is why i didnt bother to explain myself in this argument because as far as im concerned what nai posted was just BS. were not talking from a millitary point of view but a personal one. Narrow minded assholes who see things in only one way
finally as an asuran supporter i would like to say asuran is not pathetic just confused at the moment want to believe in the place he once called home wanting to believe in the words of a minipulating man. asuran who lost everthing at the end of GS just wants to believe that plant was the victim. however sometimes we can block out the truth to believe whatever we want but asuran cant do that which is why he is constantly at war with himself, with he's betrayl the death of Faith member Asuran Zara will occur and the resurrection of Asuran Zara of the three ship union.
that last paragraph brought a tear to my eye excuse me
Originally posted by: Dannynonsense
normally i would have started cursing at you Jurojin
This honestly should stop- There's no reason to just randomly curse at people you disagree with. It makes you look ignorant and usually people ignore you.
As for being a "Narrow-minded asshole", you're doing exactly that- read your second paragraph again and try to honestly tell me you can't smell the hypocrisy of it. "She's a NMA, but I'm not going to even acknowledge that point of view and just voice my own."
You HAVE to acknowledge both sides of the situation, because that's what half of this conflict is about- Shinn, in his mind, is in the right. Athrun, in his mind, is also in the right. But since they're both so different, that's where conflict occurs- and that's something that's going to drive them in future fights- Shinn's self-righteousness, and Athrun's sense of right and wrong.
Honestly, I would like to see the rest of the series revolve around Shinn vs. Athrun, with Kira and Rey in the background.
I agree that Shinn was following orders, but those orders were HIS OWN. Do not confuse orders from zaft with his revenge for Stellar's death. He was analyzing freedom before Dullindal made that speech and before AA was declared an enemy. As far as the punch, Athrun was probably suprised that Shinn would say that Athrun wanted him to lose, hence the monstrous smack to the face.
Shinn's conversation with Athrun was a mere taunt. Athrun has been telling them over and over again that Kira was not the enemy, and it was obvious that Shinn was about to get smacked in the next minute after saying "he got Athrun's revenge as well."
Shinn-lovers whine that no one understands Shinn blah blah blah, but in this case Shinn did not know what was going through Athrun's head even after Athrun telling him that Kira is not the enemy again and again and again AND AGAIN. Even knowing Athrun's relation with Kira, he chose to be arrogant, and as a result, his face suffered dearly.
wwwhhhhyyy i was just saying because at first it look like you were trying to tear me a n plus i wasnt calling you a narrow minded asshole since i agreed with what you said and i do acknlowledge both sides but come on you cant say asuran was completely wrong for hitting him thats what im trying to say i just want people to take into account asuran's feeling. people i dont randomly curse at others didnt you read what i said after i quoted nai. i fell like shinn right nowOriginally posted by: Jurojin
Originally posted by: Dannynonsense
normally i would have started cursing at you Jurojin
This honestly should stop- There's no reason to just randomly curse at people you disagree with. It makes you look ignorant and usually people ignore you.
As for being a "Narrow-minded asshole", you're doing exactly that- read your second paragraph again and try to honestly tell me you can't smell the hypocrisy of it. "She's a NMA, but I'm not going to even acknowledge that point of view and just voice my own."
You HAVE to acknowledge both sides of the situation, because that's what half of this conflict is about- Shinn, in his mind, is in the right. Athrun, in his mind, is also in the right. But since they're both so different, that's where conflict occurs- and that's something that's going to drive them in future fights- Shinn's self-righteousness, and Athrun's sense of right and wrong.
Honestly, I would like to see the rest of the series revolve around Shinn vs. Athrun, with Kira and Rey in the background.
We do not take kindly to cursing and insulting for childish reasons on these forums. STOP IT. User has been warned.
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Actually, it's quite easy to see the Archangel and Freedom as an enemy. At least through military eyes. No one know exactly what they're up to, And on top of that, they interfered quite a few times. Although I did find it stupid that they were labeled so quickly as an enemy after fighting Destroy.
Personally, I think Kira and co are looking at this from the wrong angle. It seems that all they care about is peace. Not fighting for any reason and all. I can understand Kira being suspicious of Dullindal, but really, it was getting VERY annoying with Cagalli going on about Orbs ideals and Kira going on about not fighting. I can see Athrun's point when he told Kira to back off, that interfering in everything wasn't the right way to go. And look where it's gotten them...labeled as enemies by both sides.
Although quite frankly, I too was glad that Athrun decked Shinn. Shinn was a little too arrogant, but then, that's what makes his character fresh. It's hard to see how anyone could NOT be arrogant after beating the Freedom. Especially after watching your entire family get blown to hell because of a careless stray shot.
All in all, it was a good ep all around. I'm curious as to how Kira's gonna get the Strike Freedom...because I think that if it's just handed to him in the next few episodes, that'll be pretty damn cheesy
Actually the punch was completely justified based on Shinn going out of his way to antagonize his superior officer. Reguardless of who Shinn thinks he is if Athran cared to shoot him in the head he has that kind of jurisdiction as a member of faith. Also it seems rather odd to me that he would get in any trouble for leaving the Minerva as he only has stayed there upto this point of his own free will.Originally posted by: Nai
5. Shinn Asuka gets slapped in the face by his comrade in arms Asuran Zala for doing his duty and for not being owned by Freedom. Asuran Zala's superb defense was "KIRA DIDN'T WANT TO KILL YOU! HE JUST WANTED TO FUCK UP YOUR UNIT! YOU SHOULD HAD LET HIM WIN! BOO-FUCKING-HOO!"
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