I'm new to the Gundam universe in general, so can anyone tell me why it's "all over" if they go underwater? Is the minevra not underwater capable?
I'm new to the Gundam universe in general, so can anyone tell me why it's "all over" if they go underwater? Is the minevra not underwater capable?
Minverva probably can't go underwater, but that isn't why they were saying it. Beam weapons of any kind do not work under water (the only exception being Gundam Deathsythe in Gundam W). Minvera only has 2 non-beam weapons on board. 1 is their CIWS, more or less machine guns, that wouldn't really effect a battle ship. The other is their Isolade cannon in front of Impulse's catapault. Because it launches shell type projectiles they would be seriously hampered trying to move through the water. Since Minerva is supposed to be a space battleship things like torpedos and depthcharges weren't considered necessary.
Let me add something here for a moment.....Shinn is a main character, yes. However I've noticed that some people seem to think that he is'nt the MAIN charcter, when in fact he is. Yes, yes, i know...All of you Kira/Athrun supporters like to believe otherwise because both characters had such large roles in Seed...However, Shinn is the main character of Destiny. Thoughts like: "Then why is Strike Freedom shown as the logo of Destiny?" are simply foolish. Destiny has just as much time in the opening as SF, so making such a comment is ridiculous. Kira was the main character of Seed, with Athrun as A main character also. However, when you look at Seed Destiny which has many main characters with significant roles...You'll see that Destiny is Shinn's story....and his mobile suit.
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@NineTailsKitsu: yesyes, we all know that. Its just a bit weird that SF appears more than Destiny in the OP, on top of the fact that most of us are Shinn-haters.
"You can never know everything, and part of what you know is always wrong. Perhaps even the most important part. A portion of wisdom lies in knowing that. A portion of courage lies in going on anyways."
first and foremost shinn is part of the main cast and the story centers around but the reason why everyone is talking about SF being shown as the logo of destiny is because its possible that the focus of the story is changing since shinn is clearly crossing over to the darkside and the masses always want the good guy to come out on top so ill end this with my famous quote " Know your facts before you post something"Originally posted by: NineTailsKitsu
Let me add something here for a moment.....Shinn is a main character, yes. However I've noticed that some people seem to think that he is'nt the MAIN charcter, when in fact he is. Yes, yes, i know...All of you Kira/Athrun supporters like to believe otherwise because both characters had such large roles in Seed...However, Shinn is the main character of Destiny. Thoughts like: "Then why is Strike Freedom shown as the logo of Destiny?" are simply foolish. Destiny has just as much time in the opening as SF, so making such a comment is ridiculous. Kira was the main character of Seed, with Athrun as A main character also. However, when you look at Seed Destiny which has many main characters with significant roles...You'll see that Destiny is Shinn's story....and his mobile suit.
Gay episode. Yzak laid the smack down. Rey is gay for Shinn. Shinn will accept Rey. In the butt.
shin is and should be the main character, the series is named after his gundam. but for me he should die with his lover rey. hehehe and it was nice to see athruns characters develops "again".
Is infinite justice's head in the last part of the op?
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I'm not sure that is a good measureing for that. Gundam SEED Destiny just sounds better then Gundam SEED Strike-Freedom or Gundam SEED Infinite Justice.Originally posted by: oyabin
shin is and should be the main character, the series is named after his gundam. but for me he should die with his lover rey. hehehe and it was nice to see athruns characters develops "again".
Is infinite justice's head in the last part of the op?
And yes that was IJ's head.
Yzak indeed made a wonderful smack down.
shinns still a pussy, athurans finally starting to gro some testicles, teh new gundams are kool, but i wonder who's getting teh Legend, since athuran has to get Infinite Justice. maybe rey will get it.
and yes, yazks smack down was amazing indeed
Well, seems like Asuran is sinking deeper and deeper into the quagmire of useless angst ( at least Shinn's angst is directed towards the enemy ). A shame I actually liked the guy once, seeing how he's now reduced into a total retard. Smacking Shinn for actually defeating the enemy ( the enemy who earlier shredded Saviour ) pretty much shows Asurans character. Right now, the only redemption I see for Asuran is death as I consider him pretty much the most pathetic character ever to pilot a GUNDAM and a total waste of good skills.
Ahem, as for the rest of the episode, it was pretty good. It was nice to see the effect the Chairmans words had on the people, and seeing Lord Djibril fear for his life as Logos members were dragged out on the streets and shot one by one. I'm also very curious to see how Lunamaria will react to Asuran's lowly betrayal.
/ No, you warrant no villain's exposition from me.
Personally I consider it more of him finally coming to his senses. Sure Kira took out Saviour, but Athrun is man enough to realize it was just a small disagreement compared to the importance of their friendship. He showed amazing restraint since he thinks that his best friend and his fiance were both just killed along with several other friends.
I think that a while back we talked about being a soldier and following orders and disobeying orders. To me it seemed that Talia regreted even fighting the AA and was not at all to happy when she thought it blew up also. Athrun's brain is finally working now so this is very good.
As to what he is gonna do with a gouf and Meyrin... he'll probably use his Faith membership to take a gouf and escape while everyone else thinks that he is doing it for faith or something. As to where Athrun is gonna go... probably orb but thats another ep so let me get back on topic.
I wonder what is up with Rey and all of the touching all of the sudden. It is really creeping me out. What pisses me off though is that smug look that he has on his face. Like he is superior in his logic. And when he went into his room he had an evil look on his face like everything was going according to plan or something. But what I really want to know is why he flashbacked to Rau Kluze getting killed by Kira. Maybe he is also happy that Shinn got his revenge on Kira for Rau's death too. Makes me wonder.
Nai. You probably didn't look at it from Athrun's point of view. Like Curium said he basically thinks that his family(most everyone on the AA) is dead. A punch is nothing campared to what he could've done to Shinn. If Shinn hadn't walked up to him at that moment and maybe later he probably wouldn't have recieved that punch. Athrun didn't even do or say anything to Shinn as they rode that car to Dullindal. This just shows you his level of maturity. While Shinn did nothing in this ep but show his level of maturity as he gawked at his gundam and smiled everytime Rey touched him.
If you watched the episode you would know that Asuran was angry and sad because he thought his girl Cagalli and his best friend Kira died and along with them the whole Archangel crew which he knew from the Yakin Due battle. If that doesn't make you angry or sad you're insane.Originally posted by: Nai
Well, seems like Asuran is sinking deeper and deeper into the quagmire of useless angst ( at least Shinn's angst is directed towards the enemy ). A shame I actually liked the guy once, seeing how he's now reduced into a total retard. Smacking Shinn for actually defeating the enemy ( the enemy who earlier shredded Saviour ) pretty much shows Asurans character. Right now, the only redemption I see for Asuran is death as I consider him pretty much the most pathetic character ever to pilot a GUNDAM and a total waste of good skills.
Ahem, as for the rest of the episode, it was pretty good. It was nice to see the effect the Chairmans words had on the people, and seeing Lord Djibril fear for his life as Logos members were dragged out on the streets and shot one by one. I'm also very curious to see how Lunamaria will react to Asuran's lowly betrayal.
It's not a matter of "he punched shinn for defeating the enemy". He punched Shinn because Shinn killed Asuran's best friend and at that Shinn knew that Freedom doesn't kill. Sure it was an order to take it down but Shinn doesn't got any ethics at all, fuck he does as he pleases and Dulinandal rewards him with a new gundam.
Asuran is indeed pathetic in an army but when he joins the Archangel and their cause he will be one hell of a force. You can't really blame Asuran for how he acts seeing what he has been through in SEED. Requesting that he follows Dulinandal blindly is like telling a blind man to drive a car, it simply won't happen.
This episode was kind of like the opening to Athrun's brain turning back on. I just hope that when Athrun takes Meyrin with him in the next ep someone isn't stupid enough to kill her. He may just lose it and take out that entire base.
Really can't wait to see the look on Shinn's face when he sees Kira alive. Can't also wait to see the look on his face when he has fight Athrun and gets his ass whooped.
If Shinn gets the Destiny then Rey gets the Legend Right? I guess that means Luna gets the Impulse maybe.
you know i try not to overdue it when i post and try to avoid post that look down on the character i support asuran but in this case ill make an exceptionOriginally posted by: Nai
Well, seems like Asuran is sinking deeper and deeper into the quagmire of useless angst ( at least Shinn's angst is directed towards the enemy ). A shame I actually liked the guy once, seeing how he's now reduced into a total retard. Smacking Shinn for actually defeating the enemy ( the enemy who earlier shredded Saviour ) pretty much shows Asurans character. Right now, the only redemption I see for Asuran is death as I consider him pretty much the most pathetic character ever to pilot a GUNDAM and a total waste of good skills.
Ahem, as for the rest of the episode, it was pretty good. It was nice to see the effect the Chairmans words had on the people, and seeing Lord Djibril fear for his life as Logos members were dragged out on the streets and shot one by one. I'm also very curious to see how Lunamaria will react to Asuran's lowly betrayal.
shut the hell up your interpertation of the episode is anything but right how bout you re watch the episode matter of fact the entire series over and stop being a narrow minded dumbass (common trait amongst Shinn-lovers) saying all this and that without actually thinking about it and automatically thinking the insane asshole shinn is always right.
now to close "know your Facts before you Post DUMBASS"
Originally posted by: Dannynonsense
you know i try not to overdue it when i post and try to avoid post that look down on the character i support asuran but in this case ill make an exception
shut the hell up your interpertation of the episode is anything but right how bout you re watch the episode matter of fact the entire series over and stop being a narrow minded dumbass (common trait amongst Shinn-lovers) saying all this and that without actually thinking about it and automatically thinking the insane asshole shinn is always right.
now to close "know your Facts before you Post DUMBASS"
Like this constitutes an argument. ~_~
Everyone else who has responded to Nai has at the very least explained their side in a civil manner- All you seem to like doing is shouting and cursing at Pro-Shinn people to make your E-peen larger.
Nai is correct from Shinn's/ZAFT's mind, while the rest of you are correct from an outside look at the situation. Decking Shinn is understandable considering his loss, but is really rather childish if you look at it from a military view. I am hoping that Athrun, whom is my favorite character since Seed, has finally woken up from his haze and actually does SOMETHING other than being a chick-magnet.
Um, I know you've heard alot by now... but really, are you paying attention? What Athrun knew, and so did apparently Talia and anyone else with half a brain, is that Archangel and Kira were not anyone's enemy. At know point have they actually threatened or been a threat to anyone. At the very most, they have interfered. To make a comparison, this would be like the United States attacking France for continously 'getting in our way' politically (PLEASE, I am not trying to start any political stuff here, jsut trying to make a comparison showing how ridiculous it was for ZAFT to consider the AA their enemy).Originally posted by: Nai
Well, seems like Asuran is sinking deeper and deeper into the quagmire of useless angst ( at least Shinn's angst is directed towards the enemy ). A shame I actually liked the guy once, seeing how he's now reduced into a total retard. Smacking Shinn for actually defeating the enemy ( the enemy who earlier shredded Saviour ) pretty much shows Asurans character. Right now, the only redemption I see for Asuran is death as I consider him pretty much the most pathetic character ever to pilot a GUNDAM and a total waste of good skills.
Ahem, as for the rest of the episode, it was pretty good. It was nice to see the effect the Chairmans words had on the people, and seeing Lord Djibril fear for his life as Logos members were dragged out on the streets and shot one by one. I'm also very curious to see how Lunamaria will react to Asuran's lowly betrayal.
Not to mention, Athrun did just see the closest things he has left to family annihilated by the Nation he'd been wanting to trust ever since his mom died. I'd say punching Shinn is handling things much better than Shinn did, what with the sequestering himself in a room with Rey and plotting Kira's death.
Actually, it's quite easy to see the Archangel and Freedom as an enemy. At least through military eyes. No one know exactly what they're up to, And on top of that, they interfered quite a few times. Although I did find it stupid that they were labeled so quickly as an enemy after fighting Destroy.
Personally, I think Kira and co are looking at this from the wrong angle. It seems that all they care about is peace. Not fighting for any reason and all. I can understand Kira being suspicious of Dullindal, but really, it was getting VERY annoying with Cagalli going on about Orbs ideals and Kira going on about not fighting. I can see Athrun's point when he told Kira to back off, that interfering in everything wasn't the right way to go. And look where it's gotten them...labeled as enemies by both sides.
Although quite frankly, I too was glad that Athrun decked Shinn. Shinn was a little too arrogant, but then, that's what makes his character fresh. It's hard to see how anyone could NOT be arrogant after beating the Freedom. Especially after watching your entire family get blown to hell because of a careless stray shot.
All in all, it was a good ep all around. I'm curious as to how Kira's gonna get the Strike Freedom...because I think that if it's just handed to him in the next few episodes, that'll be pretty damn cheesy
Originally posted by: MeroTZ
... To make a comparison, this would be like the United States attacking France for continously 'getting in our way' politically (PLEASE, I am not trying to start any political stuff here, jsut trying to make a comparison showing how ridiculous it was for ZAFT to consider the AA their enemy).
Make a valid comparison if you're going to make one at all.
Q: What do you think the United States would do if France went into Iraq and attacked US Forces in the name of "preventing war"?
A: France would be declared an enemy an enemy on the battlefield.
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