Well, that's also true.
But one can always dream!
Well, that's also true.
But one can always dream!
Well way back in episode 14 before Archangel launched Murrue asked Kira if going would be the right thing to do. Here is his response (at least according to A-Kingdom - AonE subs):
"Although we don't know what would truly be the right thing to do, if we gaveup, that would be wrong, wouldn't it? Keeping quiet even though we are aware would also be wrong, wouldn't it? We know very well what the results of that would be.
Kira wishes for peace right. Then what the hell is the point in blasting every suit in a radius and leaving it defenseless. That just pisses off everyone around you. His gundams name is Freedom right. Then he needs to start saving people and freeing them something cause his way is in no way helping this war end. I don't even understand why his Gundam's name is freedom. I thought that stood for something important to Kira's ideals or something but apparently not. The only person that Kira freed in this show is Stellar. Saved her from being in that hellish world in which she was gonna die either way it went after she boarded destroy.
Now Shinn. Just who the hell is Shinn. Out of all the people in the war how does an unimpotant nobody come out of nowhere and school Kira and talk down to Asuran. What gives him the right to do these things. I don't even care if he loved Stellar. I know that he knows that Stellar killed Heine. I know that he also knows that Stellar wiped out three cites with thens of thousands of people. Didn't Shinn join Zaft to stop other people from suffering like he did. Even if he did love her she probably just created thousands of more Shinns. I guess we know why Shinn pilots a suit named impulse. Because he acts on his impulses.
If I had to go with one I'd have to pick Kira > Shinn; Watched GS prior to GSD. This is just because Kira has the Freedom. If he didn't I would go with neither and pick Asuran cause he's the coolest and my favorite male character of the entire series but he's not on this poll so yeah. Go Kira... I guess.
Keep in mind that Freedom was named by ZAFT before it was stolen. If you want to with symbolism you could say that Kira wants everyone to be free to live in peace, but he has said himself he doesn't know the best way to do it. Since the Archangel left Orb, Freedom has gone into battle 4 times. The first 2 he was mainly there to protect Cagalli who was trying to take control of the Orb forces as Orb's representative, obviously that didn't go as planned. The other 2 were to stop Destroy, and to just defend the Archangel after ZAFT launched an all out attack on it as they had finally decided to return to Orb. I don't believe anyone can seriously question him fighting the last 2 at all, though the first 2 could have probably used some more planning.Originally posted by: FelixZeroAlastor
Kira wishes for peace right. Then what the hell is the point in blasting every suit in a radius and leaving it defenseless. That just pisses off everyone around you. His gundams name is Freedom right. Then he needs to start saving people and freeing them something cause his way is in no way helping this war end. I don't even understand why his Gundam's name is freedom. I thought that stood for something important to Kira's ideals or something but apparently not. The only person that Kira freed in this show is Stellar. Saved her from being in that hellish world in which she was gonna die either way it went after she boarded destroy.
Kira > Shinn Watched GS prior to GSD
Kira > Shinn GS -> GSD
lol felix...you are thinking too hard and the point of blasting every suit in sight is to stop the whole battle or is it that hard to understand?
Kira as you say "blows up" mobile suits from both sides within a given conflict, and the battling sides will not have sufficient forces to keep fighting and have no choice but to retreat.
just watch ep 23 again...
what the hell arent we supposed to be voting how many other threads can you talk about kira being a hypocrite or shinn being an ass go seed destiny thoughts thread dont screw this one up taking it way off topic just vote comment and call it day if you really want to say something there's another thread to say it
I do not believe that I am thinking too hard. So what if he stops the battle. He isn't stopping the war. Let me give you something to think about here.Originally posted by: antoine
Kira > Shinn GS -> GSD
lol felix...you are thinking too hard and the point of blasting every suit in sight is to stop the whole battle or is it that hard to understand?
Kira as you say "blows up" mobile suits from both sides within a given conflict, and the battling sides will not have sufficient forces to keep fighting and have no choice but to retreat.
just watch ep 23 again...
Let us say you are commanding the zaft forces. Your force is twice that of the EA's and your arimies morale is high. You are battling over a key stategic area that will help determine the out come of this war. 5 minutes into the battle Kira all by his lonesome comes in, disarms and incapacitates every suit on the field including yourself. Your entire force of 10,000 mobile suits was just defeated by this lone gundam. The EA had a hidden 5000 that would have accompanied the other 6000 suits on the field which Kira already took out. In the end both sides realize that this lone Freedom gundam just took out a total of 21,000 suits with complete ease. How is the commander (which is you) going to explain this to the higher ups. I don't know about you but, I would be pissed that this guy just came down and practically made a fool out of me, my army,and every thing I am fighting for.
Just because Kira can stop a battle won't mean that he doesn't piss off everyone else the process. If two armies are getting schooled by one gundam then they are just going to build newer and better suits so that they can take it out the next time. He isn't helping this war end at all by just taking away the guns. He may in fact be helping it just by doing those things.
First off Stellars death and Mayu's deaths can not be compared at all. Mayu and Shinns parents were civilians that were running for shelter that had nothing to do with the battle. Stellar while a victum who was controlled by fear was still a participant in the battle who had killed countless innocent people which would place her in more of a position to be compared to those who killed Shinns family then anything else. Also Kira changed a lot during Gundam Seed and I for one never disliked him at any point in the series to me he was a human who had something he was trying to protect. Shinn on the other hand only has things he wants to avenge.Originally posted by: Terracosmo
Kira was unpopular throughout more or less all of Seed. This sudden Kira worshipping is really strange.
Despite that, I find him to be very sympathic. It can't possibly be easy to lose yet another person in the same manner as he lost Mayu.
It's easy for us watchers to say that "OMG stupid Shinn oolol it was obviously not Kira's fault that Stellar died", but would you seriously think so when put in Shinn's position?
I severely doubt that.
ok lets see Kira was a civilian. While on the other hand Shinn is a full member of the military. Also I do not deney that Kira destroyed Destroy I simply state that Stellar died of absolutely nothing. Heck when Shinn dumps her in a lake there isn't even any blood so its not like she could have had any physical wounds meaning the only thing she could have died from would be mental as absolutely nothing was physically wrong with her.Originally posted by: LokeXero
ohh Shut Up DDBen Kira Destroyed Destroy, Shinn might have slashed it first but Kira Killed It , period.
And dont post again, Kira was a lunatic in Seed several times did you complain then,
I'm Shinn > Kira Watched GS prior to GSD
i simply prefer Shinn cause hes more like me, Kira often takes the high moral ground on everything, IMHO he wants peace for everybody yet he doesnt commit to pacifism.
Please note that I'm only quoting part of this to save on space but the responce is to the entire statement. First off your numbers are insane there is no point that Kira takes out more then 50 suits in any battle and even at the final battle in space at the end of GS there were not even close to 10,000 MS. That aside your statement is correct Kira disabling both sides as he was would only cause both sides to use bigger weapons. However, please note in the specific battles your are refering to Kira had no intention of stopping the war by fighting. He still hadn't picked a side he was involved to simply keep Orb from fighting per his sisters request and thus delaying the battle while Calgari attempted to talk some sense into Orb was all that Kira accomplished.Originally posted by: FelixZeroAlastor
I do not believe that I am thinking too hard. So what if he stops the battle. He isn't stopping the war. Let me give you something to think about here.
I know my numbers are insane but it was just an example though. I just wanted it to be dramatic so don't worry about it. And for future reference if I talk about Kira and battles it never includes the orb battle of GSD. If it sounded like I was including that one then I am sorry about that. I mean just a lot of the other battle that he participated in.
That aside we are way off topic so lets just cut this conversation here.
stellars and mayu's death have everything to do which each other, he lost another 1 he loved, and they were both killed in a war/battle that didnt have to take place
This isn't entirely off topic as it involves reasons why people would like Shinn or Kira better. However, I am fine with ending it here and saving further discussion for another thread just one brief note.Originally posted by: FelixZeroAlastor
I know my numbers are insane but it was just an example though. I just wanted it to be dramatic so don't worry about it. And for future reference if I talk about Kira and battles it never includes the orb battle of GSD. If it sounded like I was including that one then I am sorry about that. I mean just a lot of the other battle that he participated in.
That aside we are way off topic so lets just cut this conversation here.
Kira in GSD has been involved in 4 battles I can recall feel free to add any others I may have missed. The first two were involving orb with Kira attempting to stop orb from fighting. The third one was with Destroy where he went to stop the massacre of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. The fourth battle was in episode 34 where the AA was being hunted down by Zaft. Unless I'm forgetting something entirely I neglect to see what battles your talking about if not the Orb battles.
Alright thats taken care of now for this next statement.
Um as far as who started the war in GS the war had started before the series so aside from the bloody valantine we lack any actual information about the reasons for starting the war. As for Mayu dying in a battle that didn't have to take place... Orb was being attacked they were defending themselves and told the civilians to evacuate so the choices here were surrender and make matters worse or defend the country so I don't see how this battle could be avoided.Originally posted by: darkshadow
stellars and mayu's death have everything to do which each other, he lost another 1 he loved, and they were both killed in a war/battle that didnt have to take place
As for Stellar she was going around killing hundreds of thousands of people. While the war was "avoidable" due to the circumstances nothing could have really been done to stop it. As for the battle Stellar really started it yes she was being used by the EA, but none the less she was the one genociding entire cities. Destroy absolutely had to go had Kira not shot down Neo do you honestly think Shinn could have gotten Stellar to pause without Neo telling her to continue?
So in short we have the differnce between a innocent civilian who had a battle show up at her doorstep and a member of the EA who was the main force being used in the battle and who was killing everyone she ran into.
Please feel free to show me ANY similarities between these two characters other then the fact that Shinn cared about them both.
Kira > Shinn; Watched GS prior to GSD Shinn is just a arrogant fuck so i don't like him
Shinn > Kira; Watched GS prior to GSD.
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mayu's death was avoidable, according to shinn, if the atha family shouldnt "sugarcoat" everything they said, tehy ( shinn's family ) could have left orb alot earlier because of the threat of a war/attack breaking out
I wasn't really talking GSD battles. I was including GS battles too.Originally posted by: DDBen
This isn't entirely off topic as it involves reasons why people would like Shinn or Kira better. However, I am fine with ending it here and saving further discussion for another thread just one brief note.Originally posted by: FelixZeroAlastor
I know my numbers are insane but it was just an example though. I just wanted it to be dramatic so don't worry about it. And for future reference if I talk about Kira and battles it never includes the orb battle of GSD. If it sounded like I was including that one then I am sorry about that. I mean just a lot of the other battle that he participated in.
That aside we are way off topic so lets just cut this conversation here.
Kira in GSD has been involved in 4 battles I can recall feel free to add any others I may have missed. The first two were involving orb with Kira attempting to stop orb from fighting. The third one was with Destroy where he went to stop the massacre of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. The fourth battle was in episode 34 where the AA was being hunted down by Zaft. Unless I'm forgetting something entirely I neglect to see what battles your talking about if not the Orb battles.
Alright thats taken care of now for this next statement.
Kira > Shinn; Watched GS prior to GSD
In GSD Kira and the AA were being hunted by zaft during the entire series. Kira choose to go back and defend the AA after almost being killed by Athrun and Lacus gave him Freedom. I don't see a single avoidable battle for Kira that took place in Gundam seed. Feel free to enlighten me with a example.Originally posted by: FelixZeroAlastor
I wasn't really talking GSD battles. I was including GS battles too.
Kira = Shinn
I watched GS befor GSD.
Kira is a sanctimonious blowhard with too much faith invested in the percieved invincibility of both his mobile suit and his ideals. Anyone who doesn't agree with his ideal is wrong and will have their MS blown out from under them.
Shinn has, perhaps, the most aptly named gundam in the series, since his life is goverened principally by impulse. ZAFT must not do much in the way of screening pilots for instability if they allowed this timebomb to pilot a MS. While I appreciate GSD for having a main character as belligerant and uncooperative as Shinn (rather than a wet blanket like Kira), his inability to see the world in a light other than that colored by his own experiences coupled with his bursts of batshit insanity (I hate loons) make it difficult for me to see him as anything other than an irritant.
Mwu needs to pull Aile Strike out of mothballs, beat the shit out of both of them and then bang their girlfriends (Luna x Shinn is almost a given) like screen doors in a hurricane. Man, he's a pimp.
All right you win. I bow to your knowledge of the GS series and your work in getting only the facts. I am having to much fun in the What if thread to even argue or care about Shinn or Kira anymore. Asuran is the coolest anyways.Originally posted by: DDBen
In GSD Kira and the AA were being hunted by zaft during the entire series. Kira choose to go back and defend the AA after almost being killed by Athrun and Lacus gave him Freedom. I don't see a single avoidable battle for Kira that took place in Gundam seed. Feel free to enlighten me with a example.Originally posted by: FelixZeroAlastor
I wasn't really talking GSD battles. I was including GS battles too.
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