I hated Shinn until the 36 episode, but now I just think of him as a child, who is full of hatred. So I'm starting to hate someone else from now on. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
As for Kira... I don't like him, I don't hate hime. He did nothing interesting in GSD. I think it would be better if Shinn killed him, because there are a lot of other interesting characters [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
many things have been discussed here not directly related to the topic.Originally posted by: PSJ
True the Minerva could have been destroyed but if they need help they have to order Shinn to do so. Shinn saved the people that were being used as slaves at that EAF base they were building.
To me it seems that you are comparing Shinn to Kira all the time not just in this case. Besides Kira for the most part choosed to protect the Archangel and did it out of his own free will. The Archangel did a pretty good job defending itself anyway. Kira did everything out of his own free will and was never really a soldier.
Rey do not belong in this discussion at all. Why are you bringing him in? That should go in the Ep. 36 discussion thread if anywhere. I don't see Rey's name in the topic title do you?
That aside even when ordered not to do something it hasn't stopped Shinn from doing it expecially in the case of the EAF base with slaves where he simply slaughtered everyone without offering surrender. What he did there was no better then what Stellar did with Destroy it was simply on a smaller scale.
As for comparing Kira to Shinn thats the point of the topic so absolutely it can be done read what I wrote as I was specifically talking about there positions on the ship being uncompareable. As for Kira always having a choice that is far from the case with the one acception where he decides he needs to stay on the AA to protect his friends before that giving up just ment he and his friends would die.
Get real. Shinn killed military personnel in fucking wartimes whilst Destroy was used to level an entire city filled with civilians. Note, CITY not MILITARY INSTALLATION. Big fucking difference and if you can't see that.. well, then I pity you.Originally posted by: DDBen
That aside even when ordered not to do something it hasn't stopped Shinn from doing it expecially in the case of the EAF base with slaves where he simply slaughtered everyone without offering surrender. What he did there was no better then what Stellar did with Destroy it was simply on a smaller scale.
/ No, you warrant no villain's exposition from me.
Stellar killed civilians, Shinn killed soldiers who were supervising slavery. I can see a big diffrence. Shinn also got corrected on this afterwards.
What i meant with you comparing Shinn to Kira is that you don't look at it even fairly objective. You only base it on your own opinion which is fine really we know you hate Shinn but you could've ended it there. In the discussions we have had here being objective is more important than what you think is right and wrong.
For example Shinn destroying the whole orb fleet. In this case there is nothing about right and wrong as he is a soldier and is supposed to destroy his enemy. You might think it's wrong but that's rather stupid, saying that a soldier can't kill his enemies. What is he suppposed to do then?
which is very true psj but when you think about it killing is killing and shinn is an effective killing machine the only thing i found the most disturbing about him is when he watched with smile while the newly liberated people killed eaf soldiers in cold blood even though the soldiers enslaved them still its cold blood and thats just wrong but to most people its only anime right.
i guess the thing about shinn is that he can do so much and it doesnt bother him "im worried he so young he can become addict to war" - Mwu La Flagga it not about him killing the people right then and there because of orders he was given the question is does he feel something about it after like talia however the perfect soldier shouldnt have any feelings towards his duty.
Moving on anyways Asuran Zara is the man!!!!
I'd smile in Shinn's position. Death to the opposition!
Rational from an outsider's viewpoint? Not at all.
Normal human behavior in such a situation? Most likely. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
its really whatever the thing about him smilling and looking back thats probbally a good moment for him and the day the shinn haters began to have ammunitions for the the argruments that came to follow
such foolishness trying to defend shinn....., you confuse yourself by different ideals,
everyone c the other opponent AS the "BAD GUY" I HATE TO REPEAT MYSELF OVER AND OVER, WHATS RIGHT AND WRONG, WHAT RIGHT AND WRONG IS NEVER MY OPINION OR ANYONES OPINION. RIGHT IS RIGHT AND WRONG IS WRONG, NO ONE CAN DENIED IT, NO MATTER WUT U SAY,"DIFFERENT SITUATION OR WHATEVER" I HATE TO START ALL OVER AGAIN BECAUSE YOUR FILL WITH DIFFERENT IDEALS, BUT U LOST YOUR SENSES AS A PERSON.
IS REALLY BASIC, IF U DONT THINK TOO HARD OR OVER THINK IT......., I DONT THINK ANYONE IS LIKE PURE EVIL NATURALLY, EVERYONE HAVE GOOD AND BAD IN THEM. PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERNT IDEALS THATS WHY THERE WAR.
BUT LET ME TELL U SOMETHING, "IF U SEE PEOPLE AS INDIVUALS" THAT IS THE REASON WHY THERE ARE WARS.
IF I KILLED EACH PERSON FOR HAVING A DIFFERENT IDEAL AS ME, WOULD U CALLED ME DOING THE RIGHT THING, DO U GETTING ANYTHING OUT OF IT. THE REASON Y I HATE SHINN BECAUSE HE FAIL TO DO THAT, HE FAIL TO THINK ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE FEEL, ITS ALL ABOUT HIMSELF, WHile KIRA ALL HE WANTS TO DO IT SOPT THE FIGHTING. maybe if u open up your heart u will know....
You just double-posted for the third time in a row. This is the last warning. Don't do it again or actions will be taken.
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Man, stop writing in caps lock.
Also, "right and wrong" is still an opinion. What you said is just an opinion, YOUR opinion.
err ... what the FUCK?!
shinn fights for the people he cares about, while it may be unjust its what hes doing, from his point of view, theres nothing wrong with tdont double post use edit button andhat, if i was him, i'd say theres nothing wrong either, but from the spectator's point of view, it IS wrong, but what is kira's objective? to stop war with a couple of cannons on his gundam? it doesnt work that way. Kira should KNOW he cant stop the war, so what does he do? he stops what he can, heine getting killed was heine's own stupidity, they can say that kira caused all the confusion, but theres no telling what would've happened if kira hadn't stepped in.
Shinn's reasoning for wanting to kill kira for stellar is wrong, but hes blinded by emotion, as was kira in gundam seed.
Naruto-kira, you fail to see how others will feel seeing your post, right now i'm feeling like laughing at you.
LaZie made this...a long time ago.
"It was a very depressing time in my life, since I had no money I was unable to screw the rules" -Kaiba
okay and the point of the double post was naruto-kira
seriously have you read the post aims towards you today. obviously not and to show you that ill use your own example to make you feel stupid. say if you did kill each person for having an ideal different than yours wouldnt you think you were right whereas others would think you were wrong there's a thin line between right and wrong you know. all people are different and believe different things.
and shut the fuck up saying people loss there sense everyone here is just interperting things from diffrent views who the hell are you to say peole loss their sense's war is war people die soldiers follow orders shinn has a bad personality but he is a soldier (even though i dont think anything of him) he's a soldier following his orders which is the right thing to do because he's happy with them is a diffrent story. lastly stop acting like your some preacher man now i see why people hate kira
is not about who is right and who is wrong in the war
because each zaft or eaf will think there "RIGHT!"
THE REASON THEY R FIGHTING IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT IDEALS.
IF I GET A NICKLE FOR EACH TIME I KILLING A PERSON THAT HAS A DIFFERENT IDEAL AS ME, I WOULD BE RICH.....
U MAY SAY ZAFT IS RIGHT, BECAUSE IT ALL ABOUT SURVIAL OF THE FITTEST,BUT IF U BELIEVE IN THAT, WOULD U SAY THAT IS PURE???? JUS BECAUSE YOUR BETTER THAN THE PERSON THAT GIVE U THE RIGHTS TO TAKE OVER OR KILL THEM, THEN I WOULD SAY THATS EVIL, AND IF EACH PERSON KILLED A PERSON BECAUSE HE BETTER THAN THEM, EVERYONE WOULD BE DEAD...YOU'LL JUS BE LIKE HITLER...
WUT KIRA IS TRYING TO DO IS TO OPEN UP A NEW IDEAL, OPEN UP A PATH TO PEOPLE, THAT THEY DONT HAVE TO FIGHT, BOTH NATURALS AND COORDINATORS CAN BENEFIT EACH OTHER.
YES U SAY SAY A BUNCH OF SITUATIONS, ZAFT ENEMIES R LOGOS, WHICH IS EAF BASICALLY.... BUT ONE THING HITLER HIMSELF I DONT THINK IS PURE EVIL, WHO DOESN'T WANTED PEACE AND HARMONY FOR THERE OWN KIND, NOT LIKE HITLER FEEDS ON KILL, MAYBE HE HIMSELF OVER THINKS THINGS LIKE SOME OF U GUYS WHICH FAILED UNDERSTAND TRUE PEACE AND HARMONY
I THINK SOLDIER FOLLOW ORDER R JUS A PUPPET....IF U DONT CALL THAT THE WRONG THING, THEN MAYBE U LIVE A LIFE FOLLOWING ORDERS...AND THIS IS A OPEN FORUM I COULD SAY WHATEVER I WANT, U CANNOT STOP MY "FREEDOM"...
See you in a week.
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i dont like shinn... i think he should die. His beliefs are not morally right, and i just hate how she always screams before he kills/when someone dies etc etc. I dont know, but this is just me, my opinion right?... i guess it was his first impression on me from the very first episode(s).
each person does have different ideas, but not different feelings.
Kira>Shinn
I really don't know what everyone is arguing about, but in my opinion shinn is just a power hungry freak. Shinn wanted to kill Kira for Stellar's death, a girl who was in the EAF, now if you think about it, if Minerva and Shinn didn't get orders to shoot down Archangel and Freedom, do you think that would've stopped him? when you come to think of it, I think he's not true to the ZAFT ways, instead has his own selfish goals and need. Shinn shouldn't be targeting Kira, because that would mean getting revenge for someone in the opposing force, which to me, wouldn't really make sense now, would it?
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Originally posted by: Nai
Get real. Shinn killed military personnel in fucking wartimes whilst Destroy was used to level an entire city filled with civilians. Note, CITY not MILITARY INSTALLATION. Big fucking difference and if you can't see that.. well, then I pity you.Originally posted by: DDBen
That aside even when ordered not to do something it hasn't stopped Shinn from doing it expecially in the case of the EAF base with slaves where he simply slaughtered everyone without offering surrender. What he did there was no better then what Stellar did with Destroy it was simply on a smaller scale.Both of them killed people unable to defend themselves. Both of them in there actions definatly killed enemy soldiers. In Stellars case she also killed those who freely gave aid to and supported the enemy. Shinn very easily could have also killed civilians and through his actions they clearly showed some civilians being shot. There is very little differnce in the situations aside from the EA base was holding people against there will.Originally posted by: PSJ
Stellar killed civilians, Shinn killed soldiers who were supervising slavery. I can see a big diffrence. Shinn also got corrected on this afterwards.
What i meant with you comparing Shinn to Kira is that you don't look at it even fairly objective. You only base it on your own opinion which is fine really we know you hate Shinn but you could've ended it there. In the discussions we have had here being objective is more important than what you think is right and wrong.
For example Shinn destroying the whole orb fleet. In this case there is nothing about right and wrong as he is a soldier and is supposed to destroy his enemy. You might think it's wrong but that's rather stupid, saying that a soldier can't kill his enemies. What is he suppposed to do then?
Note that they specifically stated all cities attacked by destroy supported Zafts actions so who is to say weather or not that makes the innocent when it clearly means from a military standpoint those people are against you. Also note that Stellar in this case was actually following orders while Shinn took matters into his own hand and killed people who could have easily been used to gain intel on the EA's actions which could have saved more lives.
I don't think either of there actions are acceptable but I do think there offences are equal even though Stellars is obviously on a larger scale.
Oh yea? I don't.
Stellar's is worse than Shinn. In a war you don't kill civilians even if they support the opposing side. There is no way you can justify killing civilians, just realize it Stellar's actions were worse than Shinn's.
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