Episode 34 (may contain SPOILERS)

[xat]

Originally posted by: Guardian_2000
But anyways I'd like to hear why someone thinks Shinn is a better pilot. For one him beating Kira doesn't make him a better pilot. Just like me kicking any of your asses in a FPS by using health and armor cheatcodes means I'm better. You could of Stuck Rey or Mwu/Neo in Impulse and the outcome would of been the same. You could of stuck Shinn in Justice and he would of lost to Kira. Impulse and its capability to in essence regenerate from damage and Kira's no kill policy is the reason Shinn won.

I'll again give props to Shinn he pulled it off masterfully. The tactics he used were fricken brilliant. Best strategic fight I've seen yet in Gundam. But it was the cheapest ass thing in the world. But hey its a war and in that anything goes. Just don't give me crap saying that Shinn > Kira in piloting. I'm tired of reading these misinformed posts throughout this thread saying its not cheap and that Shinn is stronger than Kira and better. Kira wasn't even really paying attention to Shinn till Shinn went SEED. I mean he would do alil dodge here and there but he actually had time to send a text message to the Archangel for it to leave and goto ORB with cagalli. Come on. Shinn is good and keeps getting better but hes still not upto snuff yet. Hopefully thou now with a better suit he will reach a higher potential.

I keep envisioning Shinn launching and expecting Kira to just aim for the arms and head like Rey said then Kira deciding that hes tired of being delayed by this guy. He keeps getting in my way like Athrun and just bam shooting Impulse with everything instead of holding back and sticking to his guns with the no kill policy. He did what he set out to thou. He was escort and AA got away safely with Cagalli from the looks of things. They were well into the water by the time the gun fired. The more I watch that last scene the more it looks like Kira may have intended to take that last hit. He specifically took out Impulse's head. Why did he want to take out Shinn's main camera? Does he eject or was he covering for AA again. With his last action he prevented the AA from pursuing AA since Impulse was slagged.

QFE. Well said.

[antoine]

well said except for the last sentence lol! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[Dannynonsense]

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Originally posted by: Guardian_2000
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Originally posted by: darkshadow

It looks like some people still are argueing over who is a better pilot between Shinn and Kira? Why is this? Kira is established throughout SEED as to be the Ultimate Coordinator. His abilities rival anything that was allowed to be reengineered. His genetics are flawless having been born in an artificial womb where no anomalies that normally occur could affect his development. The only one that is gonna come close to him in piloting is Canard Pars. Capabilities wise he is your best bet at Kira's equal followed by Athrun who was the after product of all the stuff they did in the ultimate coordinator project that they felt was safe to apply and would hold a benefit.
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finally someone who knows about Canard Pars isnt he kira's brother also what do you mean by Asuran being the after product of all the stuff from the ultimate coordinator project

[qilinkiddo]

Originally posted by: Guardian_2000
I keep envisioning Shinn launching and expecting Kira to just aim for the arms and head like Rey said then Kira deciding that hes tired of being delayed by this guy. He keeps getting in my way like Athrun and just bam shooting Impulse with everything instead of holding back and sticking to his guns with the no kill policy. He did what he set out to thou. He was escort and AA got away safely with Cagalli from the looks of things. They were well into the water by the time the gun fired. The more I watch that last scene the more it looks like Kira may have intended to take that last hit. He specifically took out Impulse's head. Why did he want to take out Shinn's main camera? Does he eject or was he covering for AA again. With his last action he prevented the AA from pursuing AA since Impulse was slagged.

but then even after shinn gone seed mode...kira is still sticking to the no-kill policy aint he?

[iesu 350z]

LOL you know this has always been on my mind.. what if you kira used his shield or some sorta of mirror to reflect those beams that allow the impluse to attach itself.. lmao make the arm go into the leg slot leg into head etc :3

anyways shinn was avoiding the inveitable.. pft trying to save stellar? she cant even live without the dome thing she recharges in, shes bound to die, but i was laughing when shinn dropped stellar into the lake LOL boy was that amusing, this is how i saw it... she isnt DEAD yet.. shinn just dropped her into the water knowing she CAnnot swim, then realizing that she is still alive when her arms reach upwards LOL, and in his head "OH SHIT shes ALIVE!! I DIDNT KILL HER IT WAS KIRA! KIRA THAt bastard i'll get revenge!!"

shinn and athrun looks like they have snapped..

[PSJ]

yes he didnt say otherwise. as for kira taking out shinns camera i think that would be to give him and the AA a window to escape, he wanted to take that last hit, that was for sure. only thing im wondering about is how that big ass sword can go through a shield while a normal beam sabre cant?

[Motteh]

Originally posted by: PSJ
only thing im wondering about is how that big ass sword can go through a shield while a normal beam sabre cant?

been wondering about that as well
maybe because the tip of the sword that first penetrated the shield wasn't a beam i think so maybe the substance sword tip (you know what i mean) went through the shield?
since phase armor is good against substance hits like swords and missiles but weak to beams and the shield maybe is otherwise?

[qilinkiddo]

the side of the sword have something pink colour...izzit it that cause the shield to be penetrated?

i watch the last hit by kira frame by frame...seem like he was aimming under the cock pit

[PSJ]

the pink on the sword is the same stuff as a beam sabre. and it would be a sucky shield if it couldnt take a hit from something that isnt a beam sabre or shot.

[FelixZeroAlastor]

The shield was penetrated cause Shinn flew full speed at Kira. Kira just happened to look away at the wrong time and didn't parry it.

[romancing_xaga]

Originally posted by: FelixZeroAlastor
The shield was penetrated cause Shinn flew full speed at Kira. Kira just happened to look away at the wrong time and didn't parry it.

unless his beam cannons were damaged, he shouldn've used it instead of the shield.

[PSJ]

well if that shield got penetrated like that shinn must have found a surface that was straight and didnt have any angles at all, if the shield would have been a little angled shinn would have just slided off.

[Jurojin]

When Shinn struck Kira's shield, he first hit with the tip- because of the extreme speed he was flying, it created an incredible amount of force at ONE point, the point of contact. Shinn basically turned himself into a Gundam sized armor piercing round.

[MeroTZ]

If the sword was denser than the shield, the sword would have ripped through like tissue paper.... how it then penetrated PS armor with non-beam stuff is beyond me, the only other example of that I can think of is where Kira shivved Yzak back near the begginning of SEED.

Oh well.

[DDBen]

Originally posted by: iesu 350z
anyways shinn was avoiding the inveitable.. pft trying to save stellar? she cant even live without the dome thing she recharges in, shes bound to die, but i was laughing when shinn dropped stellar into the lake LOL boy was that amusing, this is how i saw it... she isnt DEAD yet.. shinn just dropped her into the water knowing she CAnnot swim, then realizing that she is still alive when her arms reach upwards LOL, and in his head "OH SHIT shes ALIVE!! I DIDNT KILL HER IT WAS KIRA! KIRA THAt bastard i'll get revenge!!"

This is by far the best explination of how Stellar died that I have heard [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] That and it made me laugh.

Originally posted by: Jurojin
When Shinn struck Kira's shield, he first hit with the tip- because of the extreme speed he was flying, it created an incredible amount of force at ONE point, the point of contact. Shinn basically turned himself into a Gundam sized armor piercing round.

Shinn's sword piercing both the shield and the phase shift armor on its own was about as likely as him reflecting a shot from the beam riffle off of his own shield which disperses beams and melting the shoulder of freedom. Oh and also as likely as Kira never using his rail guns or wing cannons. Having now seen the subbed version of this episode I definatly feel that Kira was making it so Shinn would believe he won. Kira and the AA were aiming specifically to do as little damage as possible so Zaft would have no excuse or footage to call them a enemy. Freedom on the otherhand had already disabled several suits and thus Zaft would have footage of it "attacking them" if they needed it from the Minerva's logs anyway. So whats the best thing for Kira to do. After watching a major blast from the Minerva's main cannon he disabled Shinn's Sensors and fled into the water after allowing the sword to pierce Freedom in a noncritical location.

Also note Shinn definatly did some damage and Kira was having difficulty ignoring him however Shinn never really had the advantage in this fight. Kira cutting off the head and arm of the chest flyer was always with the intention if disabling Shinn's sensors so the AA could escape into the ocean. In the end he took the sword into his suit to get a sure fire hit on the head of Impulse making it unable to dodge or swing the sword to make a more critical hit on Freedom.

[DragonBladeX]

Its seems that Phase-Shift is not as all powerful as it was thought to be....Yzak's Duel took a beating just from 2 puny daggers in GS....you think that with nuclear energy powering Freedom's PS making it infinite PS, the blow would have been lessened...though i would agree with Impulse throwing its whole weight behind that one strike, no armour can hold up to that kind of pressure

[MeroTZ]

Originally posted by: DDBen

Originally posted by: iesu 350z
anyways shinn was avoiding the inveitable.. pft trying to save stellar? she cant even live without the dome thing she recharges in, shes bound to die, but i was laughing when shinn dropped stellar into the lake LOL boy was that amusing, this is how i saw it... she isnt DEAD yet.. shinn just dropped her into the water knowing she CAnnot swim, then realizing that she is still alive when her arms reach upwards LOL, and in his head "OH SHIT shes ALIVE!! I DIDNT KILL HER IT WAS KIRA! KIRA THAt bastard i'll get revenge!!"

This is by far the best explination of how Stellar died that I have heard [img][/img] That and it made me laugh.

Originally posted by: Jurojin
When Shinn struck Kira's shield, he first hit with the tip- because of the extreme speed he was flying, it created an incredible amount of force at ONE point, the point of contact. Shinn basically turned himself into a Gundam sized armor piercing round.

Shinn's sword piercing both the shield and the phase shift armor on its own was about as likely as him reflecting a shot from the beam riffle off of his own shield which disperses beams and melting the shoulder of freedom. Oh and also as likely as Kira never using his rail guns or wing cannons. Having now seen the subbed version of this episode I definatly feel that Kira was making it so Shinn would believe he won. Kira and the AA were aiming specifically to do as little damage as possible so Zaft would have no excuse or footage to call them a enemy. Freedom on the otherhand had already disabled several suits and thus Zaft would have footage of it "attacking them" if they needed it from the Minerva's logs anyway. So whats the best thing for Kira to do. After watching a major blast from the Minerva's main cannon he disabled Shinn's Sensors and fled into the water after allowing the sword to pierce Freedom in a noncritical location.

Also note Shinn definatly did some damage and Kira was having difficulty ignoring him however Shinn never really had the advantage in this fight. Kira cutting off the head and arm of the chest flyer was always with the intention if disabling Shinn's sensors so the AA could escape into the ocean. In the end he took the sword into his suit to get a sure fire hit on the head of Impulse making it unable to dodge or swing the sword to make a more critical hit on Freedom.

Wow, I really like this idea. And its makes sense, too. I dont think Kira intended to take quite that hard a hit (he looked a bit panicked) I agree his priority was taking out Impulses main camera... and we see absolutely nothing to show that Freedom didn't just let it self sink down into the ocean, where the AA would now be free to recover what was left. I doubt we are going to have to worry about Kira very long this time around, hopefully the next episode will show him being recovered.

All in all though, I like what you are implying. AA and Freedom "faking their deaths" so they can get back safely to Orb.

[qilinkiddo]

AA fake their death too fake lolz...
while escaping AA did not even fire a single shot to minerva -_-

[PSJ]

erm you do know that the big explosion was from freedom blowing up right? there is nothing left of freedom, at least not much a few scraps here and there maybe, not more. i still think kira survived, the guy is immortal, i mean he managed to survive when asuran self ddestructed in kiras face(there was a cut in strikes armor right where the cockpit is.)

[DDBen]

Originally posted by: qilinkiddo
AA fake their death too fake lolz...
while escaping AA did not even fire a single shot to minerva -_-

Please rewatch the episode the AA was firing only to miss the Minerva as it was specifically avoiding giving zaft anything to use for PR purposes saying that the AA is a threat as atleast some people likely still see it in a good light after the last war.

Originally posted by: PSJ
erm you do know that the big explosion was from freedom blowing up right? there is nothing left of freedom, at least not much a few scraps here and there maybe, not more. i still think kira survived, the guy is immortal, i mean he managed to survive when asuran self ddestructed in kiras face(there was a cut in strikes armor right where the cockpit is.)

The explosion was NOT Freedom. The reaction was from the positron cannon on Minerva reacting with the water. The initial Puff of smoke is the blast nearing the water and the second ball shape explosion was from it hitting either the ocean floor or the AA. The bits of Freedom were in no way enough to account for the entire mech and had Kira blown up with Freedom causing any sort of Nuclear explosion then there would be absolutely nothing left of Impulse which was ontop of the explosion missing its head leaving a gaping hole in its Phaseshift armor.